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The presidents response: Why did you wait?
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mucifer
(23,544 posts)civilians or US soldiers. Democrats and Republicans. It's nothing new. I am talking about a lot more people than one family. Sorry to be so cold. But, it's true.
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden . . .
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)As my WWII vet dad used to say, "War is hell."
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)lark
(23,099 posts)He revels in killing, loves loves to hurt others any way possible, including death. That's one of the thousands of reasons he's the worst person to ever be president. The fact that he's ignorant, loves death, is a greedy profiteer, and is a criminal traitor against our country and for Russia, are some of the reasons why he's the most dangerous.
And the people who voted for him along with the republican party condone this behavior. Drumph is longing for the day he can get away with murder, it's republican morality.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)After four years of a devastating world war, how would you have resolved the war with Japan?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)before he ok'd the bomb on Hiroshima.
lark
(23,099 posts)not dropped 2 bombs so close together. 1 I can maybe understand, 2 was too many too quick.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)I don't think that you would find many people who lived through the war in disagreement with Truman's decision. I had one uncle who died on the Bataan Death March, one cousin who was shot down over the Canal and one who died in the invasion of Saipan. Four other members of my family were seriously wounded. I was just a young boy during the war but I can attest to the fact that the nation was firmly unified behind the president. It wasn't revenge, but it could well have been justified by many on that basis. The treachery and outright inhumanity that was perpetuated by the Japanese in their aggression throughout the entirety of the war was nearly impossible to comprehend. The loss of life was staggering and affected virtually every family on both sides of the war. I am confident that the decision that Truman made was one with deep reflection. I am glad that I will never be faced with such a terrible dilemma. I find it disconcerting that some far removed from the situation have such surety in their condemnation.
lark
(23,099 posts)He and I 100% disagreed on this issue, although since he was an evangelical conservative, we disagreed on lots of things. I have read that the Japanese people were on the verge of revolt against the emperor and ready to surrender. Neither of us was there, so all we have to go on are varying reports. I still believe nukes should never have been used, the genie was let out of the bottle and has been threatening the world ever since. This is my belief, I have no real idea of the truth, and really neither does anyone else. We have what our government told us, but we also know they lie, and we have anti-war folks who say the opposite was true. Can't change the past, but the present day danger from drumpf certainly has been increased because of our history of using nukes.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)He could hardly be called anti-war, and certainly not in 1945. He believed they were ready to surrender, and he also said he wasn't the only one who thought that.
But propaganda works, and most Americans still believe what the public were told at the time to justify it.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Serious thought must be given to the alternatives. The firebombing of Tokyo on March 9 resulted in over 100,000 deaths, in addition to thousands seriously injured. This was more than total who were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Up to that date 350,000 civilians had died in the firebombing of over 60 cities. Four cities were slated to be massively firebombed, Hiroshima, Kokura, Nagasaki, and Niigata. A blockade was planned in addition to the continued bombing of cities prior to the a planned invasion. The navy had cut off all shipments into Japan in Operation Starvation. It was estimated that over 10 million people would be likely staved to death. This was he estimate of the Japanese historian Irokawa. It also must be keep in mind that the war was in full swing in New Guinea, the Philippines and Borneo. The invasion of Iwo Jima had resulted in the deaths and suicide of 23,000 Japanese who refused to surrender. A major factor it must be emphasized was the impending invasion of the Soviets in to Northern Japan and had already caused 80,000 estimated deaths in the Manchurian offense. Another sobering fact is the both the Germans and Japanese were attempting to develop nuclear weapons and would have most likely not hesitated to use them.
The sad fact is that war is hell or earth regardless of the weapons used. There is no doubt that nuclear power would be developed and as time as shown it could be used for war as well as peaceful means no differently than dynamite, gun power, spears and arrows or even the jaw bone of an ass for that matter.
Thanks for your input and respect your thoughts on the matter. Ole Gramps
marble falls
(57,084 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,870 posts)Is a war crime.
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)jaxind
(1,074 posts)Big Deal is what tRUMP's deplorable base would say! They would absolutely love it if the family were still there!
mommymarine2003
(261 posts)He literally was on his way to Japan when the bomb was dropped. He always told me that he never expected to return home. I never would have been born if that had happened. War is horrific, and I have very mixed emotions about what happened in Japan.
My father was in Vietnam north of Danang in 1967. His barber turned out to be Viet Cong. We were lucky he came home. Once again, I have mixed emotions, although I know that we should never have been there.
My Marine son was deployed to Iraq twice. I remember watching the news back then where they would say we could pinpoint the bad guy in a building and get him. My son said they just blew up the buildings no matter who was in it. Think how many innocent victims we killed. However, our son came home to us.
I am glad that we did not let that drone kill those innocent people. Military families are not gung ho to kill innocent people. People like Trump seem to salivate at the thought of killing. If they had ever gone to war or had loved ones go to war, I would hope that they would feel differently.
I am anti-war, anti-gun, and anti-Trump. I feel like Trump is pushing us closer to war every day, and it scares me.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)remember when he said he would have run into that school while the shooter was active? I thought to myself, the ONLY reason a guy would do that was if his kids were inside.....and Trump would NOT do that for his kids.....no fucking way