If Democrats win both the House and Senate, what do they do about Trump??

[kentuck]

Will they get enough votes to impeach him in the House? Will they even vote?

Will their strategy be to let Trump remain in power, but to keep close oversight on what he is proposing?

Not thinking solely of winning or losing a political position, what should the House do if the Democrats win the House and Senate?

I think they have a constitutional duty to impeach him.

Whether or not he is convicted. If he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, then they should follow the constitution and impeach. Our justice system would be degraded if we somehow tolerated provable crimes simply because we "think" he would not be convicted in the Senate.

[kimbutgar]

1. Make his life miserable and pass real laws the American people want and see him veto them

It will wreck his 2020 re-election big time if they run on his evil ways.

[MichMary]

2. They'll impeach him

Pretty much have to. But he will be acquitted by the Senate and will finish out as a one-term,, failed Prez.

[shanny]

17. if they impeach but don't convict he'll claim exoneration and whine about being victimized

I'd rather just hound him out of office by doing real, public investigations; saying no to everything, including nominees; forcing him to veto popular laws; take him to task for not administering laws already on the books; indict all his co-conspirators, including the slimy creatures in the cabinet--make him look like the incompetent and ignorant loser he is!

With luck, Pence will have to bail as well, the R party will implode and we can start fixing what they broke.

[bearsfootball516]

29. I'm of the same mindset.

Impeachment without conviction would just allow him to claim victory, and also play the victim card and drive his supporters to the polls.

[kentuck]

31. I would think that if Mueller comes back with the evidence....

Donald Trump will not be claiming much of anything and the Republicans will not be able to use the criminality of their President to claim some great victory in November. That is just an illusion.

[shanny]

37. I'm think tRump is impervious

to evidence--he thinks he's smart!--and the R base is just as delusional, some Rs in Congress marginally less so...and there's the universal truth Upton Sinclair pointed out: how impossible it is for a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it.

But anyway, impeachment will not be possible at all without the House in D hands, so there will be no "victory" affecting the midterms.

[donco]

3. Film the

perp walk out of the White House to use as a deterrent.

[LanternWaste]

4. I believe the Dems best, most effective tactic would simply be to stonewall

I believe the Dems best, most effective tactic would simply be to stonewall his admin for two years. Allow the investigations to continue without interference or personnel changes. Make sure he doesn't implement any full-on crazy policies, trip his every word and, if time permits, make his life a miserable, living hell.



Any measures for censure or impeachment would simply be (to me) a cherry on top.

[Sophia4]

5. No. I would normally agree with you, but Trump is too crazy and might declare

martial law in order to avoid future elections.

[Fresh_Start]

6. and put the administration on a shoestring budget

one mar a lago trip a quarter
reduce the size of his and her staff
reduce the size of their security force

reduce the size of every cabinet secretaries office

[Thekaspervote]

7. Agree! If we impeach him it may drive repukes out to vote in 2020 as with Clinton

Of course Clinton’s up tick came at the midterms. But, we really really need to pay attention to our history!

[kentuck]

8. So, we would let an insane person stay in office unchallenged because of political reasons?

I have a hard time with that thinking.

[jberryhill]

16. A lot of presidential powers would have to be neutered

If he is not going to be removed, the War Powers Act needs a serious overhaul, among other areas involving human lives and presidential discretion.

There are areas in which the president is free to act, which are simply too dangerous in the hands of this deranged idiot - and that's wholly aside from his practical gutting of the various administrative agencies.

[oberliner]

32. Very well said

My sentiments exactly.

[left-of-center2012]

9. Having Pence as V.P. may save Trump

Do we really want a President Pence?

[kentuck]

10. Are you saying that you prefer Trump over Pence?

Pence is not that kind of crazy.

[YessirAtsaFact]

11. Choose between a crazy asshole and just an asshole

I also prefer B

[shanny]

18. true--he's a slightly more functional brand of crazy

it is hard to decide which is worse

[treestar]

64. That is a tough one

At first blush I'd figure Pence was just normal Republican, like Dubya, and the fear of insane pushing the red button is less, but then you have to remember he is one of those Dominionist types who might see it as part of the End Days. Talk about a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea.

[meow2u3]

12. Force tRump to nominate moderates as cabinet members and/or judges

He knows full well Democrats won't rubber stamp far right nutcases.

[trueblue2007]

13. IMPEACH HIS ASS NOW and lock him up!!

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[kentuck]

14. +100

Good to see some passion remaining.

[Wellstone ruled]

15. In January with the new Congress.

Trump will be offered a chance to resign or face what the Mueller Team brings to Court. They will not Impeach,that creates more Gingrich types to pop out of their hiddy holes. ABC-Fox will just go nuts promoting these types.

[beachbum bob]

19. stopping trump and seeing to corrupted officials are charged and convicted is all we need

to see done...2020 we take back control and start going after some of the batshit crazy judges that have been appointed

[bluestarone]

20. If we can we need to stop him

from any sort of pre-emptive strikes, and also continue ALL Russia investigations! ( especially NUNES) That's the bastard I hate quite a bit!

[Blecht]

21. Trump is a fucking embarrassment

He needs to be removed from office as soon as possible.

They can then keep Pence from doing any of his sick religious crap for two years.

[lanlady]

22. Impeach his fat ass

Pronto.

[Wawannabe]

41. Ditto

[loyalsister]

23. Tough to predict

But I doubt very much that they will have the votes for impeachment. And I'm not convinced they should. The Clinton impeachment started a trend where the opposition immediately tries to think of ways to impeach without actually offenses in focus. The republicans went digging and found something they could use. I think we are worse for it, and an impeachment without incontrovertible evidence is an extension of using something that should be serious as a political ploy. I feel certain that however this unwinds, Trump will probably be too insulated to impeach.
I do have confidence that if the Dems get a majority in Congress, they will be able to prevent some damage. Other than that, I think we will have to ride it out and work our tails off this year and midterms and in 2020.

[Tatiana]

24. Use Mueller's report and their own investigations to impeach both Trump and Pence.

Make a deal with the key Republicans necessary in the Senate to guarantee convictions.

Get a Democratic President.

It is always remotely possible that if Trump gets impeached, he will resign. That is why you have to take care of Pence, too. He's tied in with Manafort and the Russians, so it should be that hard to gather the evidence.

[mcar]

25. Pass laws to help people

Make him veto them.

Really block his judicial appointees.

Have actual investigations, using the subpoena power, of all the abuses.

There will not, ever, be enough votes in the Senate to remove him from office so I'm ambivalent about a promise to impeach.

Support Mueller's investigation 1000%. There will be continuing charges filed against this crime family that will keep the media going.

I truly think Dotard will resign if all that comes to pass. Then AG Schneiderman can indict him.

[Freddie]

57. This

Dare him to veto laws that people actually want. He will. Use that as ammo in 2020.
OT but PLEASE run somebody younger than 65 in 2020!! We need a contrast with the (will be) 74 year old dotard. And Dems tend to win with a younger candidate.

[mcar]

66. So much ammo in 2020

As long as some don't go the impeachment or bust route and run down Dems. I do worry about that.

[JI7]

26. Start Congressional Hearings on EVERYTHING

[dalton99a]

27. +1. Oversight of the Executive Branch, as required by the Constitution.

[lamp_shade]

42. BINGO! And see to it that most hearings are open to the public.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. They should impeach but then they will NOT be able to remove him given they would need

15 or so GOP to vote yes in the Senate, and GOP are not patriots so that wont happen

Although, since Pence will give them more HATE and more DESTRUCTION of average people, maybe they will.

[heaven05]

30. IF

there aren't enough votes for impeachment, then the very same thing the GOP did to President Barack Obama....let not one bill presented by the Conservatives even have a hearing in committee or get out to a vote...thwart, thwart, thwart....

[bettyellen]

33. Prevent them from seating any and all judges. And impeach. Fuck them all.

[procon]

34. Multiple oversight committees in both chambers compelling Trump

to come before them, swear an oath, and publically answer all questions. Let him make a fool of himself on TV, let him get called out for every lie he makes, let him demonstrate his madness, stupidity and incompetence and show the world how unfit he is for office.

[bluestarone]

36. I agree never thought about this!

Can the chambers actually enforce a tRUMP subpoena??? Now that would be AWESOME!!!!!

[TheDebbieDee]

35. I didn't read all the posts but I don't think it's possible for the Dems to take the Senate

this fall - there aren't enough Senate seats up for election this fall for the Dems to take a 60-vote filibuster-proof majority!

[EricMaundry]

38. Impeach the Asshole

Shit. Why is this even a question?

[smirkymonkey]

40. I agree. I would be furious if they didn't.

He needs to go first and foremost. Then we can deal with Pence.

[Demsrule86]

44. If we don't have the votes for conviction in the Senate there is no point.

[kentuck]

45. Why?

For political reasons only?

How do we know that every Republican will vote to not convict? And if they do, is that bad for Democrats??

[bearsfootball516]

58. If we think enough Republicans in Senate will turn, then go for it.

But if not, all it's going to do is fire up the Republican base.

[kentuck]

61. Should Democrats be fearful of a "fired up" Republican base?

Should that prevent Democrats from doing their job?

If there is credible evidence of serious crimes, would Republicans dare to support Trump under those circumstances? That would not be a political advantage by any stretch of the imagination.

This is not about a blue dress.

[bearsfootball516]

69. I hope Republicans get stuck between a rock and a hard place, as you basically said

Overwhelming evidence of crime that means they either have to 1. Vote for Removal and if they don't, 2. Be dragged down by the giant anchor that is supporting an obvious criminal.

[kentuck]

70. If there is no evidence, there should be no impeachment.

Your "either/or" above is exactly right. And that is the reality of whether or not to impeach.

[Demsrule86]

72. Because we risk 20 if there is a backlash and could end up with four more years of Trump or whoever

if Trump is gone. Look how it backfired on the GOP in 98 and in Wisconsin more recently with the recall. It is not worth it when he will be out in less than two years if we can't get him out then and there. We need to have a solid 20 election or we will end up with another gerrymander...it will be 20 remember...just not worth taking a chance with our future if you can't remove him.

[kentuck]

74. After the 1998 elections, Republicans kept majority in Senate with 55 seats.

They lost 4 seats in the House but kept majority of 223. It was more of a status quo election.

[kairos12]

39. No SCOTUS nominations!

[Demsrule86]

43. The House maybe...the Senate no...we need GOP types for this, but if we run real investigations and

turn up more dirt in addition to Mueller's finding's, perhaps some Republicans will join us...if not there is no point in impeaching.

[Blue_true]

46. If democrats control Congress, we get open, ethical investigations.

That alone will hang Trump.

[kentuck]

47. Republicans have shown themselves capable of disrupting investigations.

Democrats would not have any investigation without some sort of "bi-partisanship". That's just who they are...

[Blue_true]

48. About time we start using republican tactics against republicans.

And when we do, point out how they acted when in power.

[kentuck]

49. It's not part of their nature.

They are not very good at it, unfortunately.

[LuvLoogie]

50. I think trump would fold, but GOP would filibuster anyway.

[samnsara]

51. even if they impeach him he wont leave...they just need to trick don the con

like the rupugs do to get him to sign off on shit. And block every damned thing he does.

[kentuck]

52. If there is one thing we have learned in the last year....

It is that no one controls Donald Trump. He does crazy and unpredictable shit. He is dangerous. He is an arsonist sleeping in your house. Take away his matches and he will be rubbing two sticks together....

[sharedvalues]

53. Investigations - with subpoena power- will sink him

GOP has been stonewalling investigations.


The lesson of watergate: investigations with subpoena power lead to crimes being punished.

[padah513]

60. +1

There's a lot of people to investigate like Nunez

[SummerSnow]

54. Can we exile him to Russia after he is ousted?

[CrispyQ]

55. The current dem party will look forward &

work with their colleagues across the aisle to "heal the nation." I believe the best we can hope for is that they staunch the flow. The current party doesn't have the stomach to make sausage.

[kentuck]

56. I think it is a fallacy to say that Democrats will pay a price politically if they impeach Trump.

I think it is more likely they will pay a price if they don't impeach.

This is not analogous to the Bill Clinton impeachment.

All it takes a wee bit of courage.

[elocs]

59. "because we "think" he would not be convicted in the Senate."

Anyone who "thinks" Trump would be convicted in the Senate should be immediately drug tested.
Nothing would unite and motivate Trump supporters more than his being impeached by a Democratically controlled House with no chance of conviction in the Senate.
If the Democrats were to retake the House (if they don't this discussion is moot) it would be by a narrow margin which they would stand a good chance of losing in 2 years.

If impeachment is such a good idea, then every Democrat running for the House should make that the centerpiece of their campaigns. But they won't because they want to get elected.

[kentuck]

63. Don't you think it would depend on what crimes he was being impeached for?

If they are so blatantly criminal and serious, who would be motivated to defend them? I think the political penalty would fall on those who refused to address the crimes?

[treestar]

62. Prevent him from passing laws that Democrats don't want by not

passing them for him to sign. Check on his powers. That's all they need to do.

[kentuck]

65. What about executive orders and repealing regulations that are needed?

What if he decides to send troops to another war? It is a gamble every day that he is in office. Anyone that thinks otherwise is playing with fire.

[treestar]

78. Hopefully after the 90 days or whatever the War Powers Act gives him

They can vote it down.

[DBoon]

67. Don't impeach Trump

But make sure every other criminal in the Republican Party and serving in his administration gets the full force of the law.

Knock out his political support and let him twist in the wind as an ineffective president.

The only thing that would turn his supporters against him is his perceived weakness. We need to make this weakness obvious by removing his mechanisms for political control

Use the authoritarian personality against him, as a kind of political Akido

[kentuck]

68. Can you imagine a time when any President should be impeached?

Even if he colluded with the Russians to damage or destroy our democracy?

Our government is already too weak to function. Positions are going unfilled. Our country suffers, not just Donald Trump.

[DBoon]

71. Yes he is the perfect candidate for impeachment

I want to destroy his political support first.

This monster must never com back to life

The next time, we might not be so lucky and will get a fascist that is actually competent

[Takket]

73. They better understand that the people are putting them there to impeach

And I better not hear the term “impeachment is off the table” from ANYONE with a D next to their name or I will make it my personal life’s mission to make sure they are never reelected.

[kentuck]

75. In my opinion, the majority of Democrats agree with you.

Although many will continue to argue that it will harm Democrats if they impeach the criminal of the Republican Party.

[Bayard]

76. Arrest him

That's easy. High crimes and misdemeanors.

[kentuck]

77. Is treason a "high crime'?