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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 04:30 PM Apr 2018

The new Roseanne is a zombie -- risen from the dead but without a soul.

The old Roseanne was a sassy, loveable, loudmouth.

The zombie is still a loudmouth – and an abusive jerk. And the rest of the family just puts up with her. Dan smiles indulgently and still finds her fun in the sack. And Jackie – at first driven to near-hysteria by her Trumpet sister -- accepts an “I forgive you” in lieu of an “I’m sorry, too.”

But the way Roseanne treats her teenage granddaughter is the worst. Unforgiveable. Go back to hell, Roseanne Conners. Acting out on children is not okay.

This former fan won’t be following your zombie act.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/roseanne-revival-season-10-episode-2-spanking-conservative-politics-darlene-harris-abuse

During its original run, Roseanne was a lightning rod for a multitude of reasons—not the least of which was Roseanne Conner’s parenting style. She was loud, crass, and more permissive than a traditional sitcom parent, a far cry from the squeaky-clean, 1950s sensibilities the series frequently mocked. One thing she never made a habit of, though, was spanking her children. And her reasoning was extremely well established: as the characters make clear through multiple seasons, Roseanne and her sister, Jackie, were abused by their father. The one time Roseanne was ever shown spanking one of her children, her outburst ended with a tearful apology—which is why the central plot of Tuesday’s installment of the rebooted series felt misguided at best, and like a forced expression of conservative talking points at worst. It’s further evidence that despite any protestations to the contrary, the new Roseanne has a distinct ideology—which is why it’s struck such a chord with right-leaning viewers.

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“Let me tell you something,” Roseanne’s husband, Dan, adds. “I wrote a poem for my dad. Then he hit me with a broom. And then he said, ‘This broom will do more for you than any poem.’ And that was the greatest generation.” Eventually, Roseanne shoves her granddaughter’s head in the sink and sprays her with the faucet to teach her a lesson, while Darlene realizes that perhaps she’s given her daughter more leeway than she should have. Throughout all of this, nobody acknowledges the repeated trauma Roseanne and Jackie faced at the hands of their father, who used to discipline them with a belt. And no one mentions the fact that, at least as far as viewers of the original series saw, Roseanne never spanked any of her children, either—save for one incident that ended with an emotional apology from Roseanne to D.J.

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But Tuesday’s discussion about parental discipline came with politically charged introduction from Barr. As Jen Chaney points out in Vulture, the show’s star introduced the episode on Twitter by saying this: “the next episode shows Harris (my tv granddaughter) calling me a stupid old hillbilly-watch how I handle her and her very liberal mother!” Based on that, it seems like this episode wasn’t meant to show Dan and Roseanne clashing with Darlene about the best way to discipline kids. Instead, it was a more cut-and-dry plot designed to show why Roseanne’s side is right—and why liberal parents aren’t.

If the new series were dedicated to keeping alive the spirit of the old Roseanne, one would think the episode would have played out differently—or at least with a little more nuance. As Chaney wrote, the episode seemed like an unambiguous retort to the “snowflakes” currently raising little snowflakes of their own. “So far, this is a show in which Roseanne never has to admit when she’s wrong, but everybody else does,” Chaney writes, “which makes it harder to believe the show’s end goal is to bridge the distances between decent people who disagree.” It’s that lopsided dynamic that makes it difficult to buy arguments that the new Roseanne isn’t as political or as conservative as it was originally perceived to be. Roseanne Barr and Roseanne Conner might not be the same person, but at the very least, it’s clear that Roseanne-the-character has become a vehicle for conservative talking points—even when they don’t precisely match up to the person she once was. And now, apparently, even Jackie can’t keep her honest.

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The new Roseanne is a zombie -- risen from the dead but without a soul. (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2018 OP
I don't know why the rest of the cast agreed to go along with this. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #1
$M$O$N$E$Y$ TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #5
I was never a fan of the first show and have no desire whatsoever to view the remake. appleannie1943 Apr 2018 #2
This! dameatball Apr 2018 #3
You are going to upset her fan club. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #4
Never liked the show or her. Like her even less now. GoneOffShore Apr 2018 #6
Her new show is worse than Gilligan's Island. kairos12 Apr 2018 #7
Roseanne's Island DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #8
The show is now about a Grandmother with a Personality Disorder TNLib Apr 2018 #9
Popularizing the talking points of the hate media Tumbulu Apr 2018 #10

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
1. I don't know why the rest of the cast agreed to go along with this.
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 04:49 PM
Apr 2018

I liked the beginning of the original series (first 3 or 4 years). It was funny and different from Cosby. This doesn't seem like the same atmosphere at all. Too bad for the rest of the excellent cast.

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
10. Popularizing the talking points of the hate media
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 06:59 PM
Apr 2018

against liberals and for the record, I always found her disgusting and thought that she was coarsening the culture. That seems to be her point in life.

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