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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe new Roseanne is a zombie -- risen from the dead but without a soul.
The old Roseanne was a sassy, loveable, loudmouth.
The zombie is still a loudmouth and an abusive jerk. And the rest of the family just puts up with her. Dan smiles indulgently and still finds her fun in the sack. And Jackie at first driven to near-hysteria by her Trumpet sister -- accepts an I forgive you in lieu of an Im sorry, too.
But the way Roseanne treats her teenage granddaughter is the worst. Unforgiveable. Go back to hell, Roseanne Conners. Acting out on children is not okay.
This former fan wont be following your zombie act.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/roseanne-revival-season-10-episode-2-spanking-conservative-politics-darlene-harris-abuse
During its original run, Roseanne was a lightning rod for a multitude of reasonsnot the least of which was Roseanne Conners parenting style. She was loud, crass, and more permissive than a traditional sitcom parent, a far cry from the squeaky-clean, 1950s sensibilities the series frequently mocked. One thing she never made a habit of, though, was spanking her children. And her reasoning was extremely well established: as the characters make clear through multiple seasons, Roseanne and her sister, Jackie, were abused by their father. The one time Roseanne was ever shown spanking one of her children, her outburst ended with a tearful apologywhich is why the central plot of Tuesdays installment of the rebooted series felt misguided at best, and like a forced expression of conservative talking points at worst. Its further evidence that despite any protestations to the contrary, the new Roseanne has a distinct ideologywhich is why its struck such a chord with right-leaning viewers.
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Let me tell you something, Roseannes husband, Dan, adds. I wrote a poem for my dad. Then he hit me with a broom. And then he said, This broom will do more for you than any poem. And that was the greatest generation. Eventually, Roseanne shoves her granddaughters head in the sink and sprays her with the faucet to teach her a lesson, while Darlene realizes that perhaps shes given her daughter more leeway than she should have. Throughout all of this, nobody acknowledges the repeated trauma Roseanne and Jackie faced at the hands of their father, who used to discipline them with a belt. And no one mentions the fact that, at least as far as viewers of the original series saw, Roseanne never spanked any of her children, eithersave for one incident that ended with an emotional apology from Roseanne to D.J.
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But Tuesdays discussion about parental discipline came with politically charged introduction from Barr. As Jen Chaney points out in Vulture, the shows star introduced the episode on Twitter by saying this: the next episode shows Harris (my tv granddaughter) calling me a stupid old hillbilly-watch how I handle her and her very liberal mother! Based on that, it seems like this episode wasnt meant to show Dan and Roseanne clashing with Darlene about the best way to discipline kids. Instead, it was a more cut-and-dry plot designed to show why Roseannes side is rightand why liberal parents arent.
If the new series were dedicated to keeping alive the spirit of the old Roseanne, one would think the episode would have played out differentlyor at least with a little more nuance. As Chaney wrote, the episode seemed like an unambiguous retort to the snowflakes currently raising little snowflakes of their own. So far, this is a show in which Roseanne never has to admit when shes wrong, but everybody else does, Chaney writes, which makes it harder to believe the shows end goal is to bridge the distances between decent people who disagree. Its that lopsided dynamic that makes it difficult to buy arguments that the new Roseanne isnt as political or as conservative as it was originally perceived to be. Roseanne Barr and Roseanne Conner might not be the same person, but at the very least, its clear that Roseanne-the-character has become a vehicle for conservative talking pointseven when they dont precisely match up to the person she once was. And now, apparently, even Jackie cant keep her honest.
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)I liked the beginning of the original series (first 3 or 4 years). It was funny and different from Cosby. This doesn't seem like the same atmosphere at all. Too bad for the rest of the excellent cast.
TheSmarterDog
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(99,710 posts)TNLib
(1,819 posts)Glad I didnt watch.
Tumbulu
(6,278 posts)against liberals and for the record, I always found her disgusting and thought that she was coarsening the culture. That seems to be her point in life.