Will Cohen roll?

[Julian Englis]

We all know Cohen must have as much on tRump as Putin. But will he roll on tRump?

[NanceGreggs]

1. Too soon to call.

It will depend on (a) if he's charged, (b) what he's charged with, and (c) how much time he's looking at if convicted.

[joshcryer]

4. If he's charged?

At this point that is a formality. We're talking 20+ Republicans in the FBI and 5+ of them are Trumps own appointees, and it's coming out of the largest District Attorney's office in the country. They had some serious shit on him to prompt this raid.

This isn't about getting him to "roll" this is about getting Trump in a deposition to talk about what he did.

[NanceGreggs]

7. I did not mean to imply ...

... that he won't be charged. But I've learned not to assume facts not in evidence until they ARE in evidence. And they will be soon enough.

And at this point, we have no idea what the charges might be - or even whether they are all Trump-related, or are related to Cohen's own conduct outside of his dealings with Spanky.

No one said this is about "getting him to roll" - but the possibility certainly exists that under the right circumstances, he will anyway. Depending on the prison time he might be threatened with, Cohen could point the way to a few still-buried bodies in exchange for a lighter sentence.

[forgotmylogin]

10. Mueller is a genius.

Sliding his info to NY and letting them handle it removes 45's get out of jail free card for Cohen and lets Mueller not even have to deal with looking bad dealing with the salaciousness of the Stormy Daniels wing of the Trump Lamentation Configuration that is currently imploding on itself.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. The search was conducted by the Feds.

[forgotmylogin]

24. Oh you're right, my mistake.

I thought I heard that this would be prosecuted by the state DA, effectively removing the pardon ability for Trump.

[kedrys]

30. +1 for Hellraiser reference. n/t

[forgotmylogin]

35. !!!!

(Of course DJT's Cenobite would totally be him...)

[emulatorloo]

2. Hes a true believer. So I doubt it.

[Exotica]

8. I fear you, as normal, are spot on.

[blake2012]

32. He was supposedly whining about Trump not paying him back

For his Stormy payoff. So he may not be as big of a believer as you imagine.

[Kablooie]

3. I have a feeling this is all to get Cohen to flip.

They know he is totally dedicated to Trump but now they have the goods on him.
And it's in New York so Trump can't pardon him.
He either flips or spends his life in prison.

[Julian Englis]

5. Actually, tRump might be able to pardon him--these are Federal charges

Except tRump may be a co-conspirator, so the law's not clear.

Also, there are bound to be state charges for Cohen. And tRump.

[WheelWalker]

6. The FBI just reached out and touched someone very close to Trump. Manafort noticed I'm sure.

[Liberty Belle]

9. I think he'll roll faster than an Easter egg down the White House lawn,

If facing prison time.

Remember John Dean, Nixon's Watergate lawyer?

I wonder if Cohen will be wired up.

[SergeStorms]

11. Absolutely.

There is no chance of a pardon from the Orange Shit-Stain because these charges will be coming from a New York District Attorney or the AG of New York himself.

Cohen's life - as he knew it - is over. He'll be disbarred, and though he'll still be able to work somewhere in the vast, dung-covered periphery of Donald Trump's orbit, his days as "top gun" are over. He'll be faced with many, many years of incarceration, not to mention the bank breaking costs of criminal defense Attorneys, and the monetary penalties associated with his crimes.

In short, Cohen is fucked. He'll finally realize that Trump would throw him under any bus, truck, car, motorcycle, or skateboard coming his way, in a heartbeat. Trump cares about Trump, and I'm betting Trump has already deleted his phone number from his phone. Trump won't contribute one dime to his defense costs, and all contact between the two will come to a halt in a relatively short period of time.

Cohen, for all his bluster and bullying, is a coward. He'll sing like a mockingbird.

[MyOwnPeace]

15. No problem about getting a job........

I'm sure the Republican National Committee will give him a job (see: Wife-beater Porter).

[Volaris]

40. The RNC already did that. Cohen was deputy treasurer.

Last edited Tue Apr 10, 2018, 06:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Sorry, it was National Deputy Finance Charman.
(Edited to correct)

Let THAT sink in...

[Cha]

12. I guess this means trump isn't going

to FIRE Cohen who was FIRED from his own Law Firm?

[byronius]

13. Probably doesn't matter at this point. They got everything six ways to Sunday.

Just nailin' down the last bits. Making a list. Checking it twice.

Felix Sater knows more, I think. And he's probably why they raided Cohen.

It's getting to be too late to flip.

[Midnight Writer]

14. No. It's not just Trump he will be rolling on, but the other parties of these "deals'. Dangerous.

[safeinOhio]

16. The answer is painless....

[Orsino]

17. No.

Later on, probably, but for now he'll hide behind his client's executive powers and simply refuse to talk, counting on the president's ability to make the investigation go away.

[milestogo]

19. What's in it for him to keep being loyal to Trump? He has to save himself.

He is on a sinking ship and the only sensible thing he can do is roll on Trump.

[Phoenix61]

20. I'm wondering if this will get Manafort to roll

I have to wonder what kind of communication there was between Manafort and Cohen.

[PDittie]

21. I don't think so.

He's been loyal to a fault for a long time. Even if Trump has him set up to take the fall -- and it's a long fall -- there's life after the White House, jail, etc. Richard Nixon proved this.

Cohen might tell all in a book or teevee interview. If he rolls over on Trump, he's going to get paid. Bigly.

[Johnny2X2X]

22. These people don't destroy evidence

Evidence is leverage, these people spend their lives getting leverage over people so they can use them. They rarely destroy anything, they keep everything because they never know when they'll need to blackmail someone or when they'll need to have leverage enough to themselves not become road kill.

That's how they work, Cohen saved everything to protect his own behind.

[dembotoz]

23. attorney client laws are pretty clear

do not anticipate a roll but perhaps a turn?

one thing....if he needed to do a home equity to pay off stormy his pockets may not be really deep and i anticipate he will need expensive lawyers....

[librechik]

25. does the Pope drive a Volkswagen?

[Stinky The Clown]

29. No Volkswagen. Fiat.

[librechik]

38. thx, Stinky--I knew I didn't have it quite right.

[Stinky The Clown]

39. Il Papum

[sdfernando]

26. He has rolled before and turned on his clients

when is ass was in a sling. May be a bit harder this time but I think evenutally he will be "convinced"

[SummerSnow]

27. He said he would take a bullet for him

[lunatica]

36. Easier said than done

They’re just words. The type the Mob use all the time. When he said them he was lying just like it is with everyone else except the Secret Service.

[spanone]

28. he said he would take a bullet for him...we'll see if he takes a prison sentence

[NewJeffCT]

31. I doubt it

I think he's counting on a Trump pardon

[lunatica]

37. Or praying for one at least

<——- Cohn

[PRETZEL]

33. If this were a poll, I'd vote no

Cohen knows where the "bodies" are. If the ties to the Russians are as we all believe, don't think for a minute that one of them would care less if Cohen would suddenly meet his demise. That's not to say that isn't a possibility even now.

If it's for the Stormy Daniels situation, as bad as the potential charges are, I really don't think this is something that would cause Cohen to flip on Trump. I tend to think of this as a Scooter Libby moment.

[lunatica]

34. If Trump throws him under the bus then yes

And I don’t see what Trump can do for him on the State level. No Presidential pardoning power there.