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Got an email from Social Security Works saying Paul fucking Ryan & House GOP plan to vote on BBA on Thursday. IF THIS PASSES, it will result in IMMEDIATE and drastic cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
The BBA is THE INSTRUMENT Republicans and Trump intend to use to force the rest of America to pay for billionaire and corporate tax cuts.
HAVE YOU CALLED YOUR REP today? If not, DO. IT. And tomorrow. AND Thursday.
Tell your representative that you want them to vote AGAINST the BBA.
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dhol82
(9,353 posts)this does not seem to be a bad thing?
What am I missing?
Farmer-Rick
(10,175 posts)CousinIT
(9,245 posts)Are you SERIOUS?
https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/stopbba
Such an amendment would force automatic cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and other critical programs for working families and older Americans. It would jeopardize our retirement security and the security of veterans, people with disabilities, children and surviving spouses.
Sign the petition to demand that Congress reject Ryan's so-called balanced budget amendment which would cause automatic cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
MORE:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/08/house-republicans-vote-balanced-budget-amendment-conservative-ire-spending/493728002/
Lawmakers return to Washington after a two-week recess, during which many fielded complaints from constituents unhappy with the $1.3 trillion spending bill Congress passed last month. President Trump grudgingly signed the measure but vowed never to support such a massive spending bill again.
"I had people calling me up saying, Im done, I quit, Im not voting. Im totally fed up, said Rep. Dave Brat, R-Va. Brat and dozens of other conservatives voted against the legislation and railed against GOP lawmakers who supported it.
. . .
Democrats said the push for a balanced budget amendment is a political ploy and a hypocritical move from Republicans who passed a tax cut law projected to add $1.5 trillion to the debt.
I look at this as much more than a showboat, but actually putting some teeth in it and putting some people on record, said Rep. Mark Walker, R-N.C., chair of the Republican Study Committee, a conservative caucus of more than 150 House members.
. . .
Walker helped GOP leaders win enough votes for a budget bill last fall, in exchange for a promise that the House would vote to balance the budget. He said this week's vote on a balanced budget amendment has been in the works for a while and is not a direct result of the voter pushback over the spending bill though he acknowledged the base outrage adds to the amendment's urgency.
The measure the House will consider this week, introduced by Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte of Virginia, would amend the Constitution to say Congress can't spend more than it takes in in federal revenue, unless three-fifths of both the House and Senate vote to do so. Congress could achieve the balanced budget through spending cuts or by raising taxes, though the latter step would also require a three-fifths vote in both the House and the Senate. Similarly, Congress could not raise the debt ceiling without super majority votes.
Social Security has a $2.9 trillion surplus. This is the American peoples money and NOT part of the federal budget. But if this amendment passes, it would prevent Social Security from using that surplus to pay benefits, leading to massive cuts. It would guarantee that each time Republicans cut taxes for the rich, you and I suffer.
MORE:
Constitutional Balanced Budget Amendment Poses Serious Risks
Would Likely Make Recessions Longer and Deeper, Could Harm Social Security and Other Trust Funds
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/constitutional-balanced-budget-amendment-poses-serious-risks
The economic problems with such an amendment are the most serious. By requiring a balanced budget every year, no matter the state of the economy, such an amendment would raise serious risks of tipping weak economies into recession and making recessions longer and deeper, causing very large job losses. THE AMENDMENT WOULD FORCE POLICYMAKERS TO CUT FEDERAL PROGRAMS, RAISE TAXES, OR BOTH WHEN THE ECONOMY IS WEAK OR ALREADY IN RECESSION THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT GOOD ECONOMIC POLICY WOULD ADVISE.Thats because the amendment would force policymakers to cut federal programs, raise taxes, or both when the economy is weak or already in recession the exact opposite of what good economic policy would advise.
When the economy slows, federal revenues decline or grow more slowly and the cost of unemployment insurance and other social programs increases, causing deficits to rise. Rather than allowing the automatic stabilizers of lower tax collections and higher unemployment and other benefits to cushion a weak economy, the amendment would force policymakers to cut programs, raise taxes, or both. That would launch a damaging spiral of bad economic and fiscal policy: a weaker economy would lead to higher deficits, which would force policymakers to cut programs or raise taxes more, which would further weaken the economy.
If a such an amendment had been ratified when Congress last voted on these proposals and had been enforced for fiscal year 2012, the effect on the economy would be catastrophic, Macroeconomic Advisers, one of the nations preeminent private economic forecasting firms, concluded at the time. It would have caused the unemployment rate to double from 9 percent in that year to 18 percent by throwing an additional 15 million people out of work, according to the firm. Not only that, recessions would be deeper and longer under a constitutional balanced budget amendment, and uncertainty would be cast over the economy that could retard economic growth even in normal economic times, the analysis concluded.
. . .
Beyond the economy, a balanced budget amendment would raise other problems. Thats because of its requirement that federal expenditures in any year must be offset by revenues collected in that same year. Social Security could not draw down the balances it has accumulated in previous years to pay benefits in a later year but, instead, could be forced to cut benefits even if it had ample balances in its trust funds; currently, those balances approach $2.9 trillion.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,175 posts)It is from 2015. It already passed back then?
Farmer-Rick
(10,175 posts)If I read it right, it has already passed. It is not tied to the balanced budget amendment
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)The OP is misleading if it's really about amending the Constitution.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Unless there is something else going on and I couldn't find it...it is just the conservatives looking for cover for the budget bill...they got an earful at home I guess. I doubt it will make it out of the Senate.
haele
(12,659 posts)They're not even pretending to be concerned about the long term economy and wellbeing of the majority of the U.S. citizenry. They want to torpedo the New Deal, get as much of the treasury as they can, and damn anyone else.
Bunch of thieves.
Haele
elocs
(22,578 posts)that most seniors vote Republican. Evidently wisdom doesn't always come with age.
Ohiogal
(32,002 posts)I have never voted for a Republican once for anything in my entire 61 years, but I know many of my generation do vote for them. The big question is WHY? Especially when they receive SS and Medicare!
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Perhaps they started out as pubes and are now in a rut?
Totally brain dead?
Truly havent a clue, but I know a bunch.
misanthrope
(7,417 posts)As people age, "fear" becomes a more powerful companion. Fear of advancing frailty. Fear of changing times. It seems to be quite common among our species.
It's also easy for the craven to exploit.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Ready for Some Good News? https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210468085
"Nationwide, whites over the age of 60 with college degrees now favor Democrats over Republicans for Congress by a 2-point margin, according to Reuters/Ipsos opinion polling during the first three months of the year. During the same period in 2016, that same group favored Republicans for Congress by 10 percentage points."
These are the voters--be they Dems, Republicans, Indies--that we should welcome with open arms because they have seen the light and are willing to boot the crooks and traitors out of office, out of the body politic.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-healthcare-poll/exclusive-as-elections-near-many-older-educated-white-voters-shift-away-from-trumps-party-idUSKBN1HG1I6
liberalla
(9,249 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)of the states. I will call but it can't happen immediately.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)be ratified by 3/4 of the states. You need to update this. You will create panic.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)former9thward
(32,016 posts)Be specific.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)public school system in Kansas. This is a Koch maneuver to get rid of the social safety net and assistance programs.
aggiesal
(8,916 posts)All three items Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are not part of the budget.
They each collect money separately.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)"In order to balance the budget every year, Congress would be forced to make draconian cuts to Medicare Part B, Medicaid and other programs that seniors depend upon. Medicare and Medicaid cannot sustain cuts (other than common sense cost-saving measures) without hurting beneficiaries. Period. At a time when seniors out of pocket health care costs are rising, the BBA puts the health and financial security of Medicares 58.5 million beneficiaries and Medicaids 72.3 million at risk.
Equally serious is the BBAs potential impact on Social Security. Under the BBA, if federal expenditures exceed revenues, the government would be forbidden from paying benefits from the Social Security trust fund reserves even though the trust fund is self-financed by workers payroll contributions and unrelated to general revenues. Ditto for reserves in the Medicare Part A trust fund. Benefits would then have to be slashed in order to keep the federal budget in balance, something seniors on fixed incomes could ill afford."
http://www.ncpssm.org/EntitledtoKnow/entryid/2332/balanced-budget-amendment-would-devastate-social-security-medicare
aggiesal
(8,916 posts)What Ryan is trying to do is pay for the massive tax cuts they just gave the Greedy One Percent (GOP)
with accounts that have the most money.
They want their hands on this money and if they can't just outright give it to Wall St. they'll
use other methods to get the hands on the money, like this one.
Social Security is designed to be Separate and Distinct from the General Operating Fund, BY LAW
They want to balance the budget, then cut Defense Spending in half!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)spending bill.
This would decimate our economy. All these things to pay for, which are not as yet paid for, and THEN having to balance the budget? We're talking extreme austerity for the masses, while the oligarch is swimming in gold.
OMG.
Social Security is NOT an entitlement. We all paid for it. It was a deal. We pay this, we get that when we're seniors. We worked for decades paying into it.
We also paid into Medicare for years.
This is not right. God help us.
I'll call my reps, but they're Repubs.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)or eat well.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)The OP should have updated this post as the information was not correct.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Amendments are very tough and I don't see this getting out of the Senate...this is a CYA vote for the conservatives.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)BlueDog22
(366 posts)You know what's ironic? This will hit red state and Republican voters the hardest. Can you say potential backfire?
Duppers
(28,125 posts)And they'll believe it.
They wouldn't be Republicans if they could be reasoned with.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The Repubs are masters at messaging. They send out the dogs for an issue, all barking the same message.
They will say it will not take money or health care from seniors. There will be some reforms, but those will make those programs more efficient.
This is what they say all the time, when they try to kill SS or Medicare. Repubs will believe them. They certainly won't believe liberals. And Trumpers will be on the front line repeating whatever Trump tells them to.
They won't believe it, until it happens...which will be down the road. There may be a Democratic President by then, and HE'LL get the blame, like Obama got the blame for the recession and the deficit it caused.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)I paid MAXIMUM social security tax for 38 years before retiring. I need some of that money back. Paul Ryan if you cut my benefits, you will be on my shit list for ever.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He should have his pick, as a reward for the huge tax cut bill he gave them. He won't be around to vote for.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)he would. Not because I'm so smart (i'm not), or clairvoyant...but because that's what made sense. He's going into the corporate world where he'll make a big fat paycheck (not counting the benefits, bonuses, and other perks) as payment for passing the YUGE tax cut bill.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)is just a vehicle to let Republicans pretend that they are fiscally responsible. It is not a real effort to cut spending or raise taxes. It has zero chance of even reaching the states. It is a campaign thing and giving it publicity plays into the Republican lie.