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If evidence emerges proving the dossier was correct about the Trump team paying Russian hackers that would be pretty clear treason.
If Republicans still refused to convict Trump wouldn't they be guilty of treason themselves?
If you refuse to administer penalties to a traitor it seems that would be aiding the treasonous act.
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)They are making a mistake in not laying the groundwork of pressuring Republicans for their complicity in selling their country out.
Cosmocat
(14,572 posts)The Republicans turned absolutely nothing, Benghazi comma into a major issue by screaming like a bunch of banshees for a couple years over it.
This is a real, legitimate, major concern and Democrats are tap dancing around it.
Most of the public is uninformed, and takes its cues from the noise that it hears.
Republicans know that, so they mold public opinion pie screaming their heads off and acting all sure about things. Democrats don't know that, and go hide in the corner out of fear.
Doing the right thing, turns out well 99% of the time. This is such an incredibly horrible thing that needs addressed, and if all Democrats were to do was simply to go to The High Ground that they own on it, and preach it, the country wood TuneIn, in the quote poll numbers unquote would reflect that.
If ever Democrats were to just simply go to The High Ground that they own, and work it, righteously. But no, they cower in a corner. This is the Democrats end of why things are where they are now. They're two balless to engage in the fight that needs to be had.
Serving in high office means taking on grave responsibilities when circumstances call for that. Citizens and Democrats in Congress both will all need to lobby Republicans to defend the Constitution, as the oath of office requires. There's a time to be statespersons, and this is it.
central scrutinizer
(11,661 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I think it is time for Democrats to fight back and punch hard!
We have gained nothing by rolling over. There comes a time when you stand against a bully.
One of the posters here wrote about a 9 year old having his lunch money stolen by a gang of 13 year olds. This seems to be a perfect metaphor of what Republicans have done to Democrats in the last 30 years.
Trump is the result,plus the thuggery of McConnell, Ryan and their treasonous co-horts.
No, we need to shout from every corner what needs to be done.
Universal Health care, clean up our Country,end the senseless wars, then do it!
rainy
(6,095 posts)plain and simple. Its what they do. The donor class and our government are corrupt. Democrats may want to scream it from the mountain tops but in the end they need the corrupt dirty money too.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)But, money alone is not winning as much as it used to.
elocs
(22,600 posts)[link:https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/treason|
"Under Article III, Section 3, of the Constitution, any person who levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them Aid and Comfort has committed treason within the meaning of the Constitution. The term aid and comfort refers to any act that manifests a betrayal of allegiance to the United States, such as furnishing enemies with arms, troops, transportation, shelter, or classified information. If a subversive act has any tendency to weaken the power of the United States to attack or resist its enemies, aid and comfort has been given.
The Treason Clause applies only to disloyal acts committed during times of war. Acts of dis-loyalty during peacetime are not considered treasonous under the Constitution. Nor do acts of Espionage committed on behalf of an ally constitute treason. For example, julius and ethel rosenberg were convicted of espionage, in 1951, for helping the Soviet Union steal atomic secrets from the United States during World War II. The Rosenbergs were not tried for treason because the United States and the Soviet Union were allies during World War II."
Treason has a narrow Constitutional definition, but we find it such a good word to use in these cases because it sounds so evil and unpatriotic even though it does not strictly apply.
But these acts need not be treason to still be criminal and unpatriotic.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Comrade Casino* has led the way into the cesspool of betrayal. But the repubes have smarmily followed him every step of the way down. They have betrayed America and American democracy.
* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Can ever remove the stain of accepting Trump and his house of shame.
They are forever tarred.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Treason has a very specific definition.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Lets make that even broader -
Anyone on any jury who doesnt vote to convict someone who is guilty, should also be locked up.
Try that one on for size and see if it suits you.
Or, what about people who dont report treasonous behavior generally.
Like, lets say your neighbor were up to some treason, and you knew about it.
If you dont report, then you are also guilty of letting the treason go on. You were practically aiding and abetting it.
Whew. Wow.