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Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 03:20 AM Apr 2018

Congress and treason.

If evidence emerges proving the dossier was correct about the Trump team paying Russian hackers that would be pretty clear treason.

If Republicans still refused to convict Trump wouldn't they be guilty of treason themselves?
If you refuse to administer penalties to a traitor it seems that would be aiding the treasonous act.

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Congress and treason. (Original Post) Kablooie Apr 2018 OP
I can see why the Democrats are largely steering clear of Russia, but I think OnDoutside Apr 2018 #1
The difference between r and d pols Cosmocat Apr 2018 #2
Agreed. BlueWI Apr 2018 #11
Really sick of the "keeping our powder dry" rationale central scrutinizer Apr 2018 #12
Maybe, but True Blue American Apr 2018 #3
Democrats roll over because of donor money rainy Apr 2018 #4
Something else that needs to change True Blue American Apr 2018 #5
The word "treason" gets tossed about pretty casually, but it has a Constitutional definition. elocs Apr 2018 #6
Betrayal works. The repubes have betrayed America Achilleaze Apr 2018 #7
None of them True Blue American Apr 2018 #8
No, it wouldn't oberliner Apr 2018 #9
Wow. Full on fascism jberryhill Apr 2018 #10

OnDoutside

(19,970 posts)
1. I can see why the Democrats are largely steering clear of Russia, but I think
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 04:01 AM
Apr 2018

They are making a mistake in not laying the groundwork of pressuring Republicans for their complicity in selling their country out.

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
2. The difference between r and d pols
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 04:48 AM
Apr 2018

The Republicans turned absolutely nothing, Benghazi comma into a major issue by screaming like a bunch of banshees for a couple years over it.

This is a real, legitimate, major concern and Democrats are tap dancing around it.

Most of the public is uninformed, and takes its cues from the noise that it hears.

Republicans know that, so they mold public opinion pie screaming their heads off and acting all sure about things. Democrats don't know that, and go hide in the corner out of fear.

Doing the right thing, turns out well 99% of the time. This is such an incredibly horrible thing that needs addressed, and if all Democrats were to do was simply to go to The High Ground that they own on it, and preach it, the country wood TuneIn, in the quote poll numbers unquote would reflect that.

If ever Democrats were to just simply go to The High Ground that they own, and work it, righteously. But no, they cower in a corner. This is the Democrats end of why things are where they are now. They're two balless to engage in the fight that needs to be had.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
11. Agreed.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 10:49 AM
Apr 2018

Serving in high office means taking on grave responsibilities when circumstances call for that. Citizens and Democrats in Congress both will all need to lobby Republicans to defend the Constitution, as the oath of office requires. There's a time to be statespersons, and this is it.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
3. Maybe, but
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 05:25 AM
Apr 2018

I think it is time for Democrats to fight back and punch hard!

We have gained nothing by rolling over. There comes a time when you stand against a bully.

One of the posters here wrote about a 9 year old having his lunch money stolen by a gang of 13 year olds. This seems to be a perfect metaphor of what Republicans have done to Democrats in the last 30 years.

Trump is the result,plus the thuggery of McConnell, Ryan and their treasonous co-horts.

No, we need to shout from every corner what needs to be done.

Universal Health care, clean up our Country,end the senseless wars, then do it!

rainy

(6,095 posts)
4. Democrats roll over because of donor money
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 05:34 AM
Apr 2018

plain and simple. It’s what they do. The donor class and our government are corrupt. Democrats may want to scream it from the mountain tops but in the end they need the corrupt dirty money too.

elocs

(22,600 posts)
6. The word "treason" gets tossed about pretty casually, but it has a Constitutional definition.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 05:54 AM
Apr 2018

[link:https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/treason|

"Under Article III, Section 3, of the Constitution, any person who levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them Aid and Comfort has committed treason within the meaning of the Constitution. The term aid and comfort refers to any act that manifests a betrayal of allegiance to the United States, such as furnishing enemies with arms, troops, transportation, shelter, or classified information. If a subversive act has any tendency to weaken the power of the United States to attack or resist its enemies, aid and comfort has been given.

The Treason Clause applies only to disloyal acts committed during times of war. Acts of dis-loyalty during peacetime are not considered treasonous under the Constitution. Nor do acts of Espionage committed on behalf of an ally constitute treason. For example, julius and ethel rosenberg were convicted of espionage, in 1951, for helping the Soviet Union steal atomic secrets from the United States during World War II. The Rosenbergs were not tried for treason because the United States and the Soviet Union were allies during World War II."


Treason has a narrow Constitutional definition, but we find it such a good word to use in these cases because it sounds so evil and unpatriotic even though it does not strictly apply.
But these acts need not be treason to still be criminal and unpatriotic.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
7. Betrayal works. The repubes have betrayed America
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 06:32 AM
Apr 2018

Comrade Casino* has led the way into the cesspool of betrayal. But the repubes have smarmily followed him every step of the way down. They have betrayed America and American democracy.

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
8. None of them
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 07:13 AM
Apr 2018

Can ever remove the stain of accepting Trump and his house of shame.

They are forever tarred.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Wow. Full on fascism
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 08:32 AM
Apr 2018

Let’s make that even broader -

Anyone on any jury who doesn’t vote to convict someone who is guilty, should also be locked up.

Try that one on for size and see if it suits you.

Or, what about people who don’t report treasonous behavior generally.

Like, let’s say your neighbor were up to some treason, and you knew about it.

If you don’t report, then you are also guilty of letting the treason go on. You were practically aiding and abetting it.

Whew. Wow.
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