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Former FBI Director James Comey's public feud with President Trump is growing strikingly personal.
In a tell-all book set for release on Tuesday, Comey writes that Trump wanted him to disprove allegations he had a salacious encounter with prostitutes in Moscow, in an effort to reassure his wife, Melania Trump.
Comey also writes dismissively of Trump's appearance, recalling white bags under his eyes, contrasting with orange skin, that he surmised came from wearing goggles during tanning sessions.
The vindictive tone of Comey's observations stunned Washington, raising concerns even among those who know and respect the former FBI director.
"I'm troubled by it," said Ron Hosko, a former FBI official who worked under Comey. "It seems very, very personal, vengeful ... even if true."
The new book has reignited the feud between Comey and Trump that has raged for more than a year, since Comey first confirmed the existence of the investigation into Russian interference in the election and whether there was collusion between Trump's campaign and Moscow.
Trump has gone on offense, labeling Comey an "untruthful slimeball" and a "leaker" deserving of prosecution.
Republicans, meanwhile, are mounting an all-out campaign against the former FBI director, attacking his credibility.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/comey-trump-feud-takes-a-vicious-turn/ar-AAvSgZr?li=BBnb7Kz
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Scale against Hillary. Hes one of many- including most of the press, that would benefit from some truth and reconciliation hearings. Were supposed to trust them as being impartial, to do their jobs fairly. Theyre all still making excuses why it was okay to deliberately fuck over HRC.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)he should not have been allowed to return to Washington on the plane that took him to L.A. which was waiting at the airport for him, insinuating that he should've gotten home the best way he could. Imagine yourself being terminated in such a public fashion and having to learn about in on TV with millions of other people after a lifetime of service to your country.
Also, what many people may not realize is that when you are terminated as a federal employee, one of the first things they do is cancel your government credit card. Imagine been out of town on official business for your job and being fired and then having to worry about how you're going to get home. It shouldn't happen to anyone, even someone you don't like.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)got a handle on it yet.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Some days I can't stand him for the things he did to derail Hillary. Other days I'm glad he's around.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)when they tried to get Ashcroft to sign an order but then I think about the HRC election and get pissed all over again. Bottom line is shouldnt have taken blatantly cheap shots at Trump, it diminishes his story and give ammunition to Dotard.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)At least we now have impeachment of BLOTUS to look forward to thanks to him... small consolation I know.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/hard-truths-law-enforcement-and-race
With the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, the death of Eric Garner in Staten Island, the ongoing protests throughout the country, and the assassinations of NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos, we are at a crossroads. As a society, we can choose to live our everyday lives, raising our families and going to work, hoping that someone, somewhere, will do something to ease the tensionto smooth over the conflict. We can roll up our car windows, turn up the radio and drive around these problems, or we can choose to have an open and honest discussion about what our relationship is todaywhat it should be, what it could be, and what it needs to beif we took more time to better.
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There is a reason that I require all new agents and analysts to study the FBIs interaction with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and to visit his memorial in Washington as part of their training. And there is a reason I keep on my desk a copy of Attorney General Robert Kennedys approval of J. Edgar Hoovers request to wiretap Dr. King. It is a single page. The entire application is five sentences long, it is without fact or substance, and is predicated on the naked assertion that there is communist influence in the racial situation. The reason I do those things is to ensure that we remember our mistakes and that we learn from them.
One reason we cannot forget our law enforcement legacy is that the people we serve and protect cannot forget it, either. So we must talk about our history. It is a hard truth that lives on.
A second hard truth: Much research points to the widespread existence of unconscious bias. Many people in our white-majority culture have unconscious racial biases and react differently to a white face than a black face. In fact, we all, white and black, carry various biases around with us.
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But if we cant help our latent biases, we can help our behavior in response to those instinctive reactions, which is why we work to design systems and processes that overcome that very human part of us all. Although the research may be unsettling, it is what we do next that matters most.
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The truth is that what really needs fixing is something only a few, like President Obama, are willing to speak about, perhaps because it is so daunting a task. Through the My Brothers Keeper initiative, the President is addressing the disproportionate challenges faced by young men of color. For instance, data shows that the percentage of young men not working or not enrolled in school is nearly twice as high for blacks as it is for whites. This initiative, and others like it, is about doing the hard work to grow drug-resistant and violence-resistant kids, especially in communities of color, so they never become part of that officers life experience.
So many young men of color become part of that officers life experience because so many minority families and communities are struggling, so many boys and young men grow up in environments lacking role models, adequate education, and decent employmentthey lack all sorts of opportunities that most of us take for granted. A tragedy of American lifeone that most citizens are able to drive around because it doesnt touch themis that young people in those neighborhoods too often inherit a legacy of crime and prison. And with that inheritance, they become part of a police officers life, and shape the way that officerwhether white or blacksees the world. Changing that legacy is a challenge so enormous and so complicated that it is, unfortunately, easier to talk only about the cops. And thats not fair.
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Not long after riots broke out in Ferguson late last summer, I asked my staff to tell me how many people shot by police were African-American in this country. I wanted to see trends. I wanted to see information. They couldnt give it to me, and it wasnt their fault. Demographic data regarding officer-involved shootings is not consistently reported to us through our Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Because reporting is voluntary, our data is incomplete and therefore, in the aggregate, unreliable.
I recently listened to a thoughtful big city police chief express his frustration with that lack of reliable data. He said he didnt know whether the Ferguson police shot one person a week, one a year, or one a century, and that in the absence of good data, all we get are ideological thunderbolts, when what we need are ideological agnostics who use information to try to solve problems. Hes right.
The first step to understanding what is really going on in our communities and in our country is to gather more and better data related to those we arrest, those we confront for breaking the law and jeopardizing public safety, and those who confront us. Data seems a dry and boring word but, without it, we cannot understand our world and make it better.
How can we address concerns about use of force, how can we address concerns about officer-involved shootings if we do not have a reliable grasp on the demographics and circumstances of those incidents? We simply must improve the way we collect and analyze data to see the true nature of whats happening in all of our communities.
He's complicated.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)well as civilians.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)And, to his credit, Comey called it out and was trying to change the processes and culture, which is extraordinarily difficult to do. This was huge.
As I said, Corey's not perfect but I don't think he's evil, either. And I don't think someone who is as willing to look at issues in such a thoughtful way and speak about them in the face of a tremendous pushback is a political ideologue who purposely tried to get Trump elected.
Civic Justice
(870 posts)https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1186576
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
THIS PART NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED >
(except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted)
Let's stand as Democrats and Get it REMOVED.
13th Amendment should read as follows:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1105732
Let's Start by Fixing the 13th Amendment
Many people in this website seem not to like reading anything more than 140 characters and many simply won't write more than 140 characters... sadly, this post and the post it responds to likely won't be read.... but ... I'm responding for the few who might want to read.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)diminish, or resort to absurd reasons to excuse what he did.
He has it for the Clintons since the Whitewater days, and he finally got Hillary. It didn't matter to him that in the process he was interfering with an election and destroying the nation.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Admitting they spent no time vetting Trump or Sanders because they made the same assumption. Whether Id was causing her loss or manipulating public option to damage her presidency - theyre not supposed to function w intent and partiality as they did. Never again!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,287 posts)Comey was pressured.
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)So we thought.
janx
(24,128 posts)I just did a search based on your comment.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/02/james-comey-fbi-director-letter
I had not known the background before. Thank you.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)At some point decided to be partisan against Hillary right before the election.
bucolic_frolic
(43,287 posts)at the volatility and magnitude of the move in public opinion from the release of his letter. No way predictable by Comey or pollsters, and Comey didn't release the letter, it was released by a GOP Congressman. People were either very soft in their convictions from all the doubts and mind manipulation sewn by Russian mind control in social media, or the polls were wrong all along, or there was actual hacking and cheating at the polls themselves, or some combination. The election was lost in a handful of very close counties, targeted by the Trump campaign perhaps. I did wonder why he was spending so much time in rural Pennsylvania. You wouldn't go to these places for vacation, you'd only go to visit your relatives, and not too often. What did he know that Democrats didn't? He knew he could find votes in places Democrats took for granted; we ran a big city focus.
Yet it can also be said that many cynical Democrats that I know told me in March that Trump would win. We worked hard and had no traction.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)could have predicted it would to the degree that it did.
I DO think, among other things, it gave some shaky so-called Democrats - on the right AND the left, who were looking for an excuse not to vote for Hillary, a reason to walk away from her. But they probably weren't going to vote for her anyway.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)clearly and completely I felt the wind go out of those sails. It was palpable. She was done. Of course I didn't believe that at the time, but that's because I was sloughing off what I was picking up "in the ethers."
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)As far as I can tell, he did NOT decide to be partisan. His motivation seems to be protecting the reputation of the FBI, but I think he made a grave mistake and made a mess of it all.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)But figured he would get away with it. Same calculations all the media did. But the weight of so many hundreds of thumbs on the scale at once, incalculable. But he was the biggest thumb on the scale.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)AG Loretta Lynch! She ordered him not to make that announcement 2 week before the election but his Lurch-@$$ did it anyway because Comey has issues with taking orders from women...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)drumpf ALWAYS has the microphone and now it's time for Comey to have his turn, specially after what drumpf has said and done to Comey!
Doodley
(9,126 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I don't care who is flinging the shit at him at this point, as long as it keeps coming.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It seems to have hit the bullseye like nothing else has.
And that description of Trump is now set in stone in history.
Popcorn anyone?
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)there. Also, Comey was pretty nice in his description of this trashbag...what exactly was so mean and lowering of himself. Lastly...who gives a fuck...someone needs to hit RUMP back. #Basta
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I dont see why he isnt expected to react. Its amazing how many people are shocked by what Comey wrote, but who dont even bother to take into consideration what Trump did to him. Even here.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)It's really annoying to see people insist that Comey's not being "polite" to Trump - after what Trump did to and says about him, Comey has every right to fight back.
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)They are both showing that they know how to beat Cheeto at his own game.
I have no problem with this, and I hope Mueller's guys are paying attention too.
You can bet that Comey and Mueller have each other's private cellphone numbers.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)"Comey don't play dat"
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)janx
(24,128 posts)The excerpts I have seen so far didn't seem that horrible. The description of Trump's eyes was very well done and it didn't strike me as being there only for malicious purposes.
malaise
(269,157 posts)but he merely told the truth about that ugly skeevy scumbag who appears to have missed the irony of using the word leakers when he has been accused of having prostitutes piss on each other for his pleasure.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)and now they're shocked that Comey responds in kind. Good for him. He knows what rankles the scumbag.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)going on the Offense (instead of Defense) when you've been punched first.
Supposedly the technique was learned from his lawyer of many years, ruthless NY lawyer Roy Cohn who had worked for Sen. Joe McCarthy during the infamous anti-communist, Red Scare (& anti homosexual) 'witch hunt' trials of the late 1940s. At the end, Trump dropped Cohn when he was dying of AIDS in the late 1980s. No real friends in that world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4914523692001/?#sp=show-clips
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)janx
(24,128 posts)Descriptive!
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)an eye for detail but he described trashbag just as we all would I think....actually Comey was a lot nicer than I would be.
I know, and I want to read more details like that!
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Deplorable.
* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
** America's honorable & hard-working taxpayers
Civic Justice
(870 posts)He has "dead eyes" !!! too...
deurbano
(2,895 posts)Ashamed of his natural hue?
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Silver Gaia
(4,546 posts)A tan from a tanning bed looks more natural because it is still using light to affect melanin in the skin, whereas the stuff in a bottle mostly just stains or otherwise colors the skin (and often does it with carotene, from carrots, hence the orange tint). With either one, you'd have the white eye circles. You can't apply a bottle tan product (usually called a bronzer or self-tanner) around the eyes and goggles are worn in a tanning bed. He probably does both, but the orange tint comes from a bottle. IMHO.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)I personally think that's what he does.
Silver Gaia
(4,546 posts)A canned tan, not laying in a tanning booth with goggles on. I'm sure he pays someone to spray him. (Ew yuck)
JI7
(89,264 posts)CatMor
(6,212 posts)It's about time someone strikes back at trump. Trump has been viciously attacking many people, including Comey, for a long time. This article is written by someone on the conservative side.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Trump reduces everything to personal attacks. Although technically these could be considered personal jabs against Trump, they are so mild and so inconsequential that it seems the people raising the issue are attempting to obfuscate the big picture.
In other words, doing Trunp's work for him.
You can keep on hating Comey, I get it. But it's a stretch to condemn him for these innocuous knocks on the most loathesome man on the planet.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)I will never judge him for anything he does to hurt Trump. Trump is a petty little person and he deserves the same from others.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)It frightens me to hear Democrats praise him.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)Trump just said this to give a veneer, and a thin one at that, of cover to the fact that he wanted Comey to find proof of any kind that this did not exist, so that when this eventually came to public light, Trump could claim that it had been disproven by the FBI.
janx
(24,128 posts)when I read the excerpt. It's definitely implied. And how ironic, with all of the other information we now have about his revolting trysts.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)One theory I have heard regarding the desire to expunge any idea of Trump's infidelities comes from people with knowledge of his pre-nuptial agreements with Marla Maples. Apparently there was a stipulation that they were to be monogamous for at least the first four years or there would be a financial penalty. In the case of Maples, she had an affair with her bodyguard and lost a substantial part of the settlement when they divorced.
I would imagine that Trump, being a creature of habit, would have inserted a provision into his am Melania's agreement with similar stipulations and that confirmation of his infidelity would create a financial situation for him.
He doesn't care one bit about her feelings but he cares about having to fork over money because he couldn't keep it in his pants.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,906 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)deserves an award. Trump has bashed people from all over the world, the high and low, the powerful and the powerless. He delights in bullying people, especially when they're down, or have no ability to fight back against the massive resources that Trump can call upon to ruin their lives and jeopardize their future.
Let Comey extract his pound of flesh and just enjoy the show. Trump's raging tantrums only serve to reinforce what's obvious to almost everyone; that he is totally unsuited for the office he stole.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)To beat bullies, you humiliate them. Because their 'strength' is what their base likes. Ridicule them. That's what works.
(p.s. if you have trumper/gop base acquantances, the best thing you can do is ridicule the president. "Orange tint from spray tan", "fat ass" "got rolled by the Congress GOP on spending" "got rolled by Mexico on the wall" "short" "small hands" "Has gotten no laws passed"
dameatball
(7,399 posts)spanone
(135,874 posts)PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Just sayyin'
Danascot
(4,694 posts)"... he's basically a stack of asses that's been spray-tanned, with a dead prairie dog on top."
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)To beat bullies, you make them look weak. You humiliate them.
Implying DJT is short and has small hands is EXACTLY how you reach the GOP base. EXACTLY.
Comey is smart.
blake2012
(1,294 posts)On that dog shit in the White House. He deserves every bit of biting and vindictive poison his enemies can dish out.
I repeatFUCK TRUMP. I spit on him.
appleannie1943
(1,303 posts)videohead5
(2,181 posts)Hillary was going to win no matter what...but he made a big mistake.he should have gone through the emails before he said anything.they turned out to be duplicates of ones they already had.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)Saying Trump is orange is about the nicest thing that can be said about him.
Civic Justice
(870 posts)We'd much prefer to think of the "juicy fruit that makes great juice".... and he's insulted the word Orange !!!
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... factual observations and reports some personal feelings (which we long for in tell all books) and he causes more of a flap than Trump, who spouts awful things EVERY DAY.
marble falls
(57,208 posts)But it is just another bit of what will keep us fired up. This is the most important off year election ever. I want them to keep pooling these petty outrages that don't hurt much so I will stay angry till Nov 6 and beyond. I do not think our next candidate will either Hillary or Bernie, but that's OK, we have a pretty good field for then. Who do the Republicans have???
paleotn
(17,960 posts).....Oh, my word! Comey said some mean and terrible things about Shit Stain. How could he!? That's just terrible!
Funny how these people fail to apply the same level of decorum to the shit gibbon. My opinion is give the shit gibbon as bad or worse than the dishes out. Make his name a synonym for unethical, stupidity for generations to come.
janx
(24,128 posts)Some people--an awful lot of people--will read this book, in which Comey describes his career and specifically his experience with Drumpf.
But how much does Comey know about Drumpf that isn't in the book? Also, wouldn't it be interesting if there is information in the book that has not/will not have been publicized?
Intriguing.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I just assume of all this is part of the counter intelligence operation to get the Russian agent/mobster and his band of thugs put of the White House/Congress.
I applaud Comey's courage and plan to buy his book and RT his tweets because I'm an American and I want my country back
Codeine
(25,586 posts)in the first goddamned place. A pox on both their houses.
Civic Justice
(870 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I described Comey's 10/28/2016 as the coup letter. I was absolutely enraged.
When I look back on it, the REAL damage though occurred when he said at a news conference there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing by Clinton but spent most of his time makingthe case that her actions had actually been criminal. This is what his boss LORETTA LYNCH told him NOT to do. She told him to follow DOJ protocol which was not to comment on closed investigations.
LuckyCharms
(17,458 posts)Comey is a private citizen.
I hope he fucking sues Trump.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,195 posts)But other than noting that a raccoon is another small furry mammal with little itty-bitty paws that likes to rummage around in people's garbage, I couldn't make it sound insulting enough. So I'll stick with Jabba the President for the time being.
frogmarch
(12,158 posts)to say about someone - that their orange skin and white bags under their eyes probably came from wearing goggles in the tanning booth! How vicious!
Equally vicious was Comey saying trump's hands were smaller than his but not unusually small. OMG!
Civic Justice
(870 posts)Trump if he could would want to get on TV and drop his pants and measure equipment!!! I guess his smaller hands settle that contest....
I'd hope that over time Comey tells even more of what he actually knows.... He's no longer under the constraints of Office... therefore he can tell "all" !!!
In telling it!! it can force investigations that can lead to even more charges, when people are forced to act on what has the spotlight shining on it.
We already know many things, from Money Laundering to being Putin's flunkies...We just watched Trump give the signal to Putin before he launched a strike... hoping it will take the heat off his arse... he'd promised Putin something for no responding.... and Putin is going to hold him to it... "all we have to do is watch and see what next Trump panders to" in aim to try and repay Putin for not responding in a overt manner.
Putin Owns Trump and Trump is in Awe not only of Putin, but He is in Awe of every Russian Oligarch that wields money and spins it in the Money Washing Machine....
Comey Can Talk !!! no position and now having no official title that prohibits him from talking... and the more he keeps talking about Trump, the better it is for America.