The Internet Archive Trashes Joy Reid's Dubious Claim That Hackers Made Her Look Homophobic

[melman]

MSNBC host Joy Reid is making national news—not for revving up her fans in the anti-Trump Resistance, but for homophobic remarks that have surfaced from her now-defunct blog and years-old tweets.

If it feels like you’ve heard this one before, it’s because you have. The issue is bubbling up yet again—and this time, Reid’s excuse for the comments has taken a turn toward the truly bizarre.

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So Reid is arguing that hackers wormed their way into the Wayback Machine to edit her archived posts to add more anti-LGBTQ content to smear her. Splinter has reached out to Reid and MSNBC for comment and will update this post if and when we hear back.

In response to Splinter reaching out for comment, an Internet Archive staffer pointed to a new blog post on their site repudiating Reid’s claims that malevolent forces manipulated her site (emphasis added):

When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.

We let Reid’s lawyers know that the information provided was not sufficient for us to verify claims of manipulation. Consequently, and due to Reid’s being a journalist (a very high-profile one, at that) and the journalistic nature of the blog archives, we declined to take down the archives. We were clear that we would welcome and consider any further information that they could provide us to support their claims.

https://splinternews.com/the-internet-archive-trashes-joy-reids-dubious-claim-th-1825506987

[melman]

1. A few of the ugly posts

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[Blue_Adept]

24. Ugh

That's some ugly shit she's got there. I stopped reading after the first post and comments on Brokeback Mountain.

Hopefully she has truly evolved since then like we all evolve over time in thinking of many things, but damn. Just ugly.

[George II]

28. She doesn't need evolving, those aren't her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Well, if that's true, Joy deserves our full support... but, our condemnation

if she made up the hacking story to avoid owning up to her homophobic views.

[JustAnotherGen]

180. There's no link to that web site

Just random images posted at DU. Do you know the link to the site they came from?

[George II]

189. Nope. Don't think anyone has a link, this all is disgusting speculation and character assassination.

She crossed the wrong people, they're getting even but this hopefully will come back to bite them in the butt.

[ecstatic]

165. She's a Harvard Grad, she didn't write that

I've been following JAR for years. I became a fan years ago because she is a super smart, excellent debater, who has her facts straight. Those posts are very shallow and nonsensical. Not JAR.

[TheDebbieDee]

182. Joy Ann Reid is the victim of Black Propaganda - Malcolm Nance defines/describes here...

On today's Stephanie Miller Show!

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[NCTraveler]

2. A new blog post that repudiates her claims

While that is some really weak reporting, what were her comments before and where does she stand today?

Tops on goggle news search for her right now are Breitbart, Fox, RT, and Greenwald at the intercept. All pushing this.

[George II]

30. That's what happens, they all take a rumor story and push it to the top. Was Hannity up there too?

[Demsrule86]

141. They would love to get rid of Joy because she is effective...and Duer's shouldn't help.

[stonecutter357]

202. cyber security experts have already found suspicious activity .

[George II]

3. And your purpose for posting this stuff is..........................................?

[melman]

6. And your problem with it is

What exactly?

[Demsrule86]

142. It hurt a person who is awesome at fighting for the Democratic party and progressive policy.

And it is not proven...many supporters of Sen. Sanders don't like her...not saying you. In any case, I don't give a damn about this...don't think you should help the right wing is my only concern.

[Blue_true]

51. Joy said mean things about Bernie and Our Revolution.

She must be brought down.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

89. Yes, let's never miss any opportunity to bash Bernie...

you've really "jumped the shark" on this one.

Apparently then, there's nothing Joy could say or do that would ever warrant outrage and condemnation, cuz it sposedly would be just retribution for perceived slights against Bernie... okay, I get it... riiiigght!! You're good!!

btw, I'm not suggesting in any way, shape, or form that Joy is guilty of what she's accused of saying... I believe in redemption and hope she learned from the previous episode when she was caught making homophobic statements.

Indeed, I give Joy the benefit of the doubt on that and think she's entitled to due process to make her case... if her hacking explanation holds up and she's being honest, no problem... if, however, she made up that excuse to avoid responsibility, then I don't see how that can be justified... her views on Bernie are irrelevant in reaching that conclusion.

[Demsrule86]

144. That's it...this is why I don't support Sen. Sanders for president...I can't abide this

sort of thing.

[FreeState]

81. I dont think homophobia should be hidden ever

bring it out let everyone see whats going on and let them decide.

It really irks me when people are told what they can read, say, or think.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

90. Here, here!!

[George II]

110. Yes, as I said elsewhere here I think we all agree. But it must be REAL homphobia, not...

....fake homophobia created by those who seek to destroy others.

[FreeState]

138. AS a gay man myself, I would like to point out

that you do not get to say what is real or fake homophobia.

The fact that homophobia is being used as a weapon here, regardless of its source, and that few are condemning it is disheartening to say the least.

[stevenleser]

186. Nope you missed what the actual question is and to what that person was referring

Of course people who are not a member of a diversity group don’t get to tell a diversity group member what is and is not bigotry toward that group. That isn’t the question. The question here is whether or not Reid actually wrote it or whether her blog was hacked.

[George II]

160. No one here would dispute that, I'm sure we all agree with your premise. However, for some....

....(not you) to use "fake news" to jump on the anti-Joy bandwagon for whatever reason is highly disappointing.

[Squinch]

4. Oh, melman, melman, melman. You're so... consistent!

[melman]

5. Consistently against homophobia

I think there are some areas where flexibility is not a virtue. Others may differ. Sadly.

[Squinch]

7. Well, no. Not that.

[LanternWaste]

15. I'd allege that as well...

I'd allege that as well... followed by the self-validating remark you finished up with. And, if called on it, my pretense of righteous indignation might even be more colorful than your own.

[uponit7771]

20. Bullshit, you can read the articles themselves and she's not speaking out against LGBTQ

... community even inartfully IMHO

[Hassin Bin Sober]

65. Bullshit.

She says flat out, she “admits”, she refused to see Brokeback Mountain because she agrees with that sentiment.

She says it is “inherent” in her straightness to find gay sex gross. She even pulls some bizarre reverse discrimination and “politically correct” bullshit that gay people feel the same way so it’s ok to see gay people as gross.

Here’s a news flash. Gay people don’t want to have straight sex. But they don’t look at straight people and start judging them by what they imagine you do in your bedroom.

That’s blatant homophobia.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. Abso-fuckin-lutely!! How is this even debatable?!

[George II]

33. I think everyone here is consistently against homophobia. None others differ. Happily.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

8. K and R

[B2G]

9. Didn't she apologize last year for this?

Why is she backtracking now?

I'm confused.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. Probably because the newly uncovered posts are especially egregious.

[George II]

35. That was a different story about which she apologized. That really happened, this probably didn't.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

95. I hope for Joy's sake this new story didn't happen...

I'm gonna wait 'til the facts come out regarding her hacking claims before reaching a conclusion. A little due process is only fair.

[Tipperary]

116. I will wait too.

If she made those posts I will be very disappointed.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

148. Don't you know you're not allowed to say that!!

[Demsrule86]

145. What facts? Would you rather see a rightie take her spot because that is what will happen.

My daughter is gay...and I don't care about this at all if she was homophobic she evolved if she wasn't and it is a lie...than Duer's should spread this...case closed as far as I am concerned. She is effect which is why the right wants her gone.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

152. That's certainly 1 way of lookin at it; I don't condemn or ridicule you for expressing that opinion.

[Demsrule86]

161. Thank you...Listen...back in the day, I just wished the gay issue would go away. I was fine with it

as long as there was no PDA's or what have you...I was a bigot back then. And thankfully, I evolved before my beautiful daughter came out...she is now in a great relationship with a lovely young lady. And I am no longer a bigot and support them completely...but if someone got a hold of any writings back then, it would be very embarrassing even though I don't try to hide the truth. Now my daughter is trying to explain gender fluidity and people who don't have gender and furries etc...It is a brave new world! And I thank God for that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

163. I appreciate your honesty Dems... I guess that's all I'm lookin for from Joy Reid.

If her blog got hacked, as she claims, it's freakin' outrageous and we should support her 100%. I assume she's being honest and her views have changed... I'm all for redemption, I get it.

While I give Joy the benefit of the doubt on that, IF it later turns out that she's not been honest, I would NOT be so quick to excuse her actions... she would then deserve condemnation IMHO.

I don't agree that she should get a pass regardless... it would show, at least in my mind, that she really hasn't owned up to her past, like you have, which would make me wonder about her veracity when it comes to her present-day thinking. While, perhaps, we don't agree on that, I don't think either of us are unreasonable in our views and should be ridiculed for them.

Yet, despite my giving Joy the benefit of the doubt on this - at least until countervailing evidence has been brought to light - I've been falsely accused by others here of having some nefarious intent and only "going after her" (untrue) because she's been critical of Bernie Sanders. Simply amazing!

[Demsrule86]

196. Some do dislike her for that reason...and I get angry when people say stuff about people I like...

human nature. I don't fault them honestly. It is just MSNBC has been bad about replacing progressives with progressives...thus I am willing to give her a pass not matter what. We need her for 18 and 20.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

198. There you go AGAIN Dems, being honest, haha!!

While I disagree, I can see why you feel that way... a completely understandable and reasonable position to take.

[uponit7771]

18. She's not, they're talking about post that were altered or hacked post apology.

I've read them, she's not speaking out against homosexuality she's speaking out against human trait of hypocrisy.

These people will stop at nothing

[R B Garr]

23. Ah, thanks for this. Just coming in to it now, but that explains it all,

especially since Greenwald was exposed as being a mole for Bernie, wittingly or otherwise. The Bernie groups are afraid of her and the anti-Dem moles, as well.

This explains it all.

[Blue_true]

54. Yep.

It all comes down to Joy not being impressed with Bernie. She will be attacked from the right and the far left. The end goal? Silence her voice.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

171. So let me get this straight, the posts were hacked but even if they werent they are not bad?

How nice of these hackers to write not homophobic homophobic posts on her blog. Geez, why even bother?

[uponit7771]

173. I was speaking of the post she claimed, not the ones that showed up where ghosting

... appeared.

[Leith]

11. This Is How We Can Tell When One of Our Own Is Being Effective

People come out to tear said person down. Remember the movie Ghost? Demons would come crawling out of the shadows when a bad person died and carry the person's soul away. This thread reminds me of this.

I'm not the same person I was a decade ago and it would be vicious and dishonest to drag out things I said at the time and attack me with them. Joy is an excellent commentator, one of the best. Disparaging her like this is the lowest of the low. Somebody is feeding this filth into the narrative and we are obeying like our noserings got yanked.

I stand with Joy.

[George II]

36. I agree, and it's still VERY questionable that she said those things anyway!

[peggysue2]

44. Agreed!

The question should always be: who benefits from shredding a Joy Reid or any journalist/pundit with a particular slant?

Agree also, that individuals tend to change their ideas and/or positions as circumstances change, as our understanding grows and matures. Evolved is frequently the word used in political circles. Not a bad word though often considered a glib excuse by the self-righteous crowd. I'm certainly not the same person from a decade ago because change is a function of who and what we are as living, ever-learning creatures.

Where Joy Reid is now is more important to me than where she was or might have been a number of years ago. At this point in time that's the only thing that counts.

[Leith]

49. The Reichwing Benefits

They go after our spokespeople periodically for ridiculous nonsense. Remember a couple months ago when they hooted and hollered because Lawrence got upset that there were fuckups occurring behind the scenes? Their own propagandists sound worse as a matter of course but they went after one of the best, sanest, and nicest people on any news & comment show anywhere.

This whole kerfuffle is just another example of wikileaks and reichwing propaganda doing their usual dirty tricks.

Do not let them divide us.

Do not let them turn on our best news anchors and commenters.

This is nothing unusual for them and their hypocrisy. It's just their assignment when they clock in.

[peggysue2]

62. x1000, Leith

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

177. Well said

[LexVegas]

12. Greewald and supporters of a certain non-Democrat seem to be pushing this hard.

[bettyellen]

42. Its pretty obvs what theyre actually angry about, and its not LGBT issues.

It’s pretty gross how they treat women, POC and now LGBT as props. Bros don’t think we’re smart enough to notice that.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

46. Yeah, the nerve of PFLAG taking a position on this.

https://www.pflag.org/press-releases/pflag-national-rescinds-straight-equality-honors-joy-reid

APRIL 24, 2018
PFLAG National—the nation's first and largest organization for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ) people, their families, and allies—today has rescinded its Straight for Equality in Media award to political analyst Joy Reid.

Said PFLAG National president Jean Hodges, “When we extended our invitation to Ms. Reid to honor her at our 45th anniversary celebration, we did so knowing about the blog posts from the late 2000s regarding Charlie Crist. We appreciated how she stepped up, took ownership, apologized for them, and did better—this is the behavior and approach we ask of any ally. However, in light of new information, and the ongoing investigation of that information, we must at this time rescind our award to Ms. Reid.”

[bettyellen]

48. Im sorry, are you suddenly PFLAG, LOL? Thats new.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

50. No. But my friends are. And my parents were when they were alive. My brother and sister are.

Get the picture?

[QC]

166. Well, there's your problem. Only straight people can determine

when something is or is not homophobic.

It's the Pony Code.

[QC]

52. OMG! PFLAG IS RUSSIANS!!!

[bettyellen]

57. Gotta love all the denigration of Mueller investigation. Because its embarrassing to admit when

A person has been a useful idiot, spreading propaganda.

[Blue_true]

60. Stuff like this is why.

I think that the democratic primary is going to be a bloodbath if Bernie runs. Bernie has clear warts, but he and the people supporting him stop at nothing to prevail. They will attack allies like those people are enemies if that suits their purposes.

I just don't want to see us fractured and ripping at eachother as we face Trump or Pence in 2020, but looks like how things are shaping up, we are headed there.

[bettyellen]

72. We have to insist the press vet all the leading candidates this time. They chose to only

Focus on HRC becasue they “knew” others would lose. But the thing is- that creates an uneven field where people get away with loads of shit and others are villified for nonsense.

[Blue_true]

87. Yep. Vetting can't be lopsided this time around, even as some want it to be. nt

[stevenleser]

93. Yep, that's the actual story here. It's starting early. All folks who don't love Bernie are being

targeted and attacked. By "folks" I mean prominent media people.

That's what this is really about.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

96. Puhhleeease! Gimme a break... you're better than that Steven.

[stevenleser]

97. Puhhleese yourself. You know better than that. You can't tell me you don't know whats behind this.

If Reid supported Bernie, not only would this information, true or not, never have been posted on the internet, if it did get posted, the same folks here denigrating Reid would be supporting her and claiming the info is BS.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

99. You're seriously making this about Bernie?!?! Now, I've heard EVERYTHING!! Just WOW!!

[stevenleser]

101. It's 100% about Bernie and Reid being against him. That's the motivation behind this accusation. nt

[Autumn]

131. Are you really saying Bernie Sanders is behind this?

[stevenleser]

155. I never said Bernie himself was orchestrating this. His supporters, however, have

a track record for engaging in politics of personal destruction against anyone who doesn’t worship Bernie.

[Autumn]

158. Bernie supporters are prominent media people? I wasn't aware there were any.

[stevenleser]

185. Come back when you accurately address what I wrote. nt

[emulatorloo]

192. Well said. Some folk seem to think Willful Misinterpretation is an effective rhetorical strategy

It is transparent as hell though.

[R B Garr]

98. So true. They do not want to see Bernie vetted or even remotely questioned.

Joy Reid is especially effective and they are afraid of her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

100. Hahahaha... good one!! That was sarcasm, right?!

[stevenleser]

102. You can try all the gaslighting you want, we are not fooled. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. Ooooh, now it''s "gaslighting"... hmmm, project much??

[stevenleser]

107. Clearly you don't know what gaslighting actually means. nt

[R B Garr]

103. Truth. Bernie groups are afraid of Joy Reid because she is a competent

and very effective media figure who does not fawn all over Bernie. That is her crime. We've seen this before.....many, many times. C'mon now!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. You can't be serious.

[stevenleser]

108. Your attempt at gaslighting might work if we hadn't seen this before many times. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. Ooh theres that word again,"gaslighting." I see youre projecting again; seen THAT before many times!

[R B Garr]

124. Exactly. We've seen it already. nt

[R B Garr]

122. You can't be serious, either. This is not our first rodeo with

this tactic. It's very recognizable. No Bueno.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

127. Are you accusin me of something nefarious? If so, just go ahead and say it...

gotta hear this one.

[R B Garr]

134. Oooh, Love it. We have seen this, too.

You tell me I can’t be serious, but don’t dare say the same thing about you.

LOL.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

140. I didn't say you cant say something; just the opposite. I said if by your comment youre accusing me

of something nefarious, just come out and SAY what that is... I'm curious.

Or, if I incorrectly interpreted what you were implying, feel free to say that too. You're obviously free to say whatever's on your mind.

[R B Garr]

143. Making things personal like this is always a clue. What are you talking

about?? LOL, these kinds of deviations are just a trap.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

146. There you go again, "a clue"!! Really?!?! Sorry for tryin to have an honest conversation with you.

[R B Garr]

151. Honest?? LOL, there is an obvious tactic of making things personal

so that becomes the "conversation". No thanks. My comment was obviously about observed tactics from Bernie groups to discredit anyone who questions him or who does not fawn over him. There is little to misunderstand about that comment. We have seen it all before.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

153. Gotcha... nice work!

[R B Garr]

159. Same to you! Right back atcha!

[Demsrule86]

147. They don't like her...

They must have been so disappointed when the first attempt didn't work.

[NCTraveler]

13. It's extremely shady articles like this that have me questioning the voracity of the claim.

"an Internet Archive staffer pointed to a new blog post on their site repudiating Reid’s claims that malevolent forces manipulated her site"

What a shitty source.

[uponit7771]

17. Right, I pray Ried's evidence is dead on ... these people are sick. When I read

... the articles there's nothing there speaking out against LGBTQ but mostly against human trait of hypocrisy and what others believe about LGBTQ

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

109. Me too, I hope she's being straight with us... no pun intended.

[George II]

38. Right, and I wonder why this died here last night and now all of a sudden this afternoon...

....it's resurrected again. Curious.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

40. CNN says they viewed The Library of Congress version of the archive.

And it shows the posts were archived in 2006.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/25/media/joy-reid-msnbc-host-wayback-machine/index.html

The Library of Congress archive reviewed by CNNMoney -- which the Library says is created using a local installation of the Wayback Machine -- contains the disputed posts and lists them as having been archived on January 12, 2006. The documents provided by MSNBC to CNNMoney do not contain a letter to the Library of Congress regarding its archive.

The ‘Way Back’ people are saying unequivocally their database has not been tampered with.

The only other alternative is her blog was hacked. But that would have had to happen in 2006. Unless I’m missing something.


The fact the Reid people inserted the script to wipe out the archive records sure does bolster the argument for honesty here.

[George II]

47. There's a lot more to that story than you posted. Did you read it all?

[Azathoth]

53. I read it. What exactly are you referring to?

It seems pretty clear that the "hacked" posts must have been hacked before January 2006.

[George II]

56. I'm referring to a lot in the article other than that one quoted paragraph in the post....

....to which I responded. Much of it refutes the "conclusion" in that one paragraph.

[Azathoth]

59. Exactly what part "refutes" that conclusion? This would be very easy if you would just state

what you mean, instead of using the old Scientology dodge of telling people to "go back and reread it" until they just give in and agree with your unsubstantiated statements.

[George II]

117. There's a lot in that article that does so. I prefer to trust the conclusions drawn....

....by the independent investigator than rumors and those wanting to drag down Reid.

[NCTraveler]

120. You bolster my point.

Was Geraldo there?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

130. Yeah, basically everybody who has looked at this...

.... except the NEO Nazi cyber security “expert” and self described “psyops expert” thinks the claims of retroactive manipulation would require a time machine

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/experts-question-joy-reids-claim-of-being-hacked.html

As observers including BuzzFeed tech/politics reporter Joe Bernstein have noted, however, the disputed posts were independently archived years ago, seemingly suggesting that whoever framed Reid would have had to have done so when she was still a blogger and Florida radio host who was unknown at the national level:

[NCTraveler]

132. Again, you bolster my point.

I'm not sure if you are reading the full articles you are posting.

You are peddling assumptions as facts, making personal claims as if they are in the articles you link when they are not, and promoting what has clearly originated as a right wing extremist hit job.

[uponit7771]

14. *** BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! *** Post both sides of the story when it comes ...

... to these issues.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/business/media/joy-reid-homophobic-blog-posts.html

He said Ms. Reid’s team also had “significant evidence” that some of the posts circulating online — he did not say which ones — had never appeared on the blog and were instead doctored screenshots meant “to tarnish Ms. Reid’s character.”

If she does ... NOT ... have significant evidence then she's in trouble but at the least she's earned the benefit of the doubt to deep dive at her full record on the issue and not post hit title OP's.

When I read some of the post she's mostly talking about hypocrisy of humans, straight ones, when it comes to homosexuality ... NOT SPEAKING out against homosexuality itself.

This looks straight up like an alarm at nothing hit job, they're scared of her ... fuck them

[LexVegas]

19. This is being pushed by Greenwald and supporters of a certain non-Democrat.

It is a smear campaign.

[uponit7771]

25. Got it, just wish people here who post this would give those caveats

[George II]

21. There's a lot going on about this, but the tip that for some of the posts....

....that Reid's people claim to have been altered have no responses. If the language and content was so egregious surely there would have been pushback comments, don't you think?

Until this goes beyond rumor and "an internet archive staffer" I'm saying this is a bullshit accusation.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. CAnt believe I am reading this here. Gonna have to make some decisions, my time is

valuable as is my input and money

Yep, this could be a deal breaker.

[mythology]

32. And their evidence is what?

Claims of evidence aren't actual evidence.

Also saying gay sex is gross isn't hypocrisy. It's stupidity.

[uponit7771]

63. Link and quote her saying gay sex was gross, thx in advance

[Cha]

162. Right.. the freaking Greenwald Inercept.. Bullshit is

dead on.

TEAM REID! Mahalo, uponit!

[WoonTars]

211. Still on TEAM REID after she trashed Biden today?

Just curious...

[LanternWaste]

16. I dig your narratives, man!

I dig your narratives, man! There is a peculiar strength in your consistency of precisely who and what gets criticized.

[George II]

22. Bazinga!

[R B Garr]

27. Yeah! I bet a man's creepy writings about a woman being raped

simultaneously by three men is no problemo.

[SidDithers]

58. Boom...

Sid

[ehrnst]

29. Really irritated by Joy Reid aren't you?

[rusty fender]

31. On the one hand

Joy is good now, but was homophobic then. She is now a lgbt ally as well as outstanding as an anti-Trumper.

My uncle was very homophobic. He was also a product of his time. He was born in 1934. I loved and hated him, but I also felt that he was entitled to hate whomever he wanted to hate, just like I hate nearly all in-your-face religious people. My reasoning is if my uncle wasn’t allowed his hatred, then neither should I be allowed the same privilege.

My position on religious people has “evolved” a little over the years. My uncle’s position never did, but it is clear that Joy Reid’s has. Yet, her attempt to cover up her past homophobic remarks by claiming that her blog was hacked can only damage her credibility.

I’ve read the Nichols analysis on the evidence that her blog was hacked, but I think that this being the case is far-fetched, not impossible though.

[Gothmog]

34. The lynching of Joy Ann Reid by the Bernie left

The attacks on Joy Reid by certain groups are sad https://medium.com/@investigator_21314/the-lynching-of-joy-ann-reid-by-the-bernie-left-c7de005a19fb

For almost a year now, a very vocal segment of Bernie Sanders supporters have harassed and stalked black activists, journalists and contributors on Twitter and other social media sites. Behind this campaign was the fact that a lot of black voters didn’t vote for Bernie, which was met with incredible anger by a part of the Bernie left.

Instead of analyzing why POC were critical of Bernie, or why Bernie refused to campaign among POC, they started to harass and intimidate black Twitter users.

The list of victims to this aggressive crowd of Bernie supporters is long by now: Joy Ann Reid, Donna Brazile, Jehmu Greene, Neera Tanden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Yamiche Alcindor, Zerlina Maxwell, and less known Twitter users: Angry Black Lady (Imani Gandy), T_FisherKing, Mr Dane/ Mr Weeks, Sir James, Ange_Amene, Bravenak and many, many more.

What these people have in common is that

A: they’re POC,

B: they’re at times very critical of Bernie Sanders.

This in itself is enough for ongoing extreme harassment, stalking, threats, intimidation and worse.

[R B Garr]

39. Wow! They are so transparent. I remember a whole group of files on

the Vermont man who was going to challenge Bernie in the primaries for his Senate seat. It was a huge bunch of files, most of it just inane stalking obsession stuff.

[George II]

41. The last, muted attack months ago was greeted by a wholehearted apology. The attack....

....didn't accomplish it's objective.

Now this.

[ehrnst]

43. Yep. (nt)

[workinclasszero]

69. Damn this is sickening! Shades of the Al Franken set up. Is Roger Stone behind this too?

Or is this just a JPR type hit squad against PoC?


What these people have in common is that

A: they’re POC,

B: they’re at times very critical of Bernie Sanders.

This in itself is enough for ongoing extreme harassment, stalking, threats, intimidation and worse.

[poboy2]

84. A BS smear OP was launched against Sam Seder a few months ago. That one failed, thankfully.

MSNBC reinstated him as a guest afterward. Sammy is a champion and fighter.

[SidDithers]

70. Yup...nt

Sid

[Hortensis]

75. Good grief. This dissident left type is always killing the chances

of any candidate they'd support to get a majority vote. The self awareness and discipline to learn from experience just aren't there.

"Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil." Eric Hoffer on unifying elements.

Democrats, not Republicans, are this type's devil, and it is Democrats who must always be opposed and defeated.

[JCanete]

88. there is a sustained animosity between both groups, so I understand the distrust of her by

Sanders supporters. She has put enough oxygen into, in my opinion, maligning Sanders and his supporters, or conversely, your opinion, being righteously critical of them.

It has nothing to do with her being a Person of Color. Do you think that the animosity would be lower if she were white? You mean like Clinton? You could almost certianly give me a luandry list of "attacks on Clinton" but now you have to shift the goal posts to it being because she's a woman.

I haven't looked at this particular critique yet, so I'm not going to weigh in on whether its fair, or an opportunist, reactionary attack related to confirmation bias...the kind we get here all the time going both ways. Certainly, just because I don't fully trust her reporting myself, doesn't mean that one, if she did something in the past, she shouldn't be able to move past it, and two, that accusations against her rate merit just because they are against her.

[Gothmog]

114. Are you kidding?

It has everything to do with Joy being a POC. Sanders supporters are out to destroy anyone who does not worship Sanders

[JCanete]

115. are YOU kididng? Did you literally contradict yourself in the course of 2 sentences?

[Gothmog]

118. How is the Sanders magical voter revolution going?

How is the magical sanders voter revolution going? Where are the millions or billions or trillions of new voters who are going to help Sanders adopt his proposals?

[JCanete]

119. hahaha...I can always tell when you get flustered and don't have an answer for something. You just

go back to the same well, albeit without ever addressing my criticisms of the tainted water in it.

[Gothmog]

126. You really do not realize that I am having fun laughing at your posts

I live in the real world. You rely on feelings and your unsupported opinions. I enjoy your posts a great deal. Have you considered reading up on the issues and attempting to use facts in your posts. Facts are good things. Your feelings are meaningless but are fun to laugh at

Thank you for the amusement.

[JCanete]

137. good, then we amuse each other.

[Gothmog]

154. It was a great deal of fun running you off the threads on Magical voter revolutions

I really enjoyed myself https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10530012

[JCanete]

156. and you say its you who lives in the real world.

[Gothmog]

157. And what have you actually done in the real world?

Again, your posts amuse me

[stevenleser]

94. They are already in 2020 primary mode. Skinner and EarlG need to create the primary forum here

already because these folks are already acting as if the primary is in full swing and are targeting all Liberal commentators who aren't in love with Bernie.

And what is clear from this OP post and various responses is that at least some here who support Bernie are right on the same page.

It's open season on Liberal commentators who don't love Bernie.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. Youve really outdone yourself this time Gothmog makin this about Bernie, but, thanks for the laugh!!

[Gothmog]

112. Really?

Link to tweet

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

121. Gothmog, do you read? My comment to you was your makin this about Bernie...

your point above about the alleged hacking is an absolutely FAIR one... had you read any of my other posts, you would know that I am giving Joy THE COMPLETE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT and have not accused her of being guilty of anything... she, like everyone else, is entitled to due process before reaching a fair and unbiased conclusion that she did anything wrong.

Indeed, IF Joy's being honest about the hacking - and I have yet to see evidence that she's not - as you suggest, I have no problem whatsoever with Joy... I AGREE WITH YOU!!! (You can stop arguing now.)

My point is that the question of whether Joy was hacked and thereby framed, or whether she is making that story up to avoid responsibility for making additional homophobic comments, has NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH to do with Bernie... is that SO hard for you to admit?!

[stevenleser]

193. This needs to posted as a response to every OP discussing this. nt

[Gothmog]

37. Joy Reid will stay on air at MSNBC amid outcry over alleged anti-gay posts

This is good news https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/25/joy-reid-anti-gay-posts-550213

Popular MSNBC host Joy Reid will remain on the air amid a controversy over what appear to be old posts expressing anti-gay views on her now-defunct personal blog, an NBC spokesperson said.

Reid says her blog was hacked to include the posts, which are dated in the mid- to late-2000s and resurfaced last week when Twitter user @Jamie_Maz and Mediaite highlighted them.


The NBC spokesperson, who declined to be named, said that Reid has referred the matter to law enforcement and that the network would wait for that process to play out before taking any action.

NBC representatives declined to say whether the network itself will investigate the posts. Reid did not reply immediately to a request for comment. Neither did the FBI, though it does not typically confirm or deny investigations.

Reid hosts a two-hour show on MSNBC on Saturday and Sunday mornings, though her status as a hero to the left has given her a larger profile. The alleged remarks, however, have prompted fierce backlash. PFLAG National, an LGBT advocacy group, rescinded Reid’s Straight for Equality in Media award on Tuesday.

[George II]

45. Funny how no one discusses the fact that many of the objectionable posts from years ago....

....had no responses, even though it was an active blog with many responses on other subjects.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

55. Do you have a link to the response page of said posts?

[Azathoth]

61. A lot harder to do now that Joy has purged the Wayback Machine...

[LexVegas]

64. OMG...she acid washed them!!!

[Azathoth]

67. So she didn't deliberately add code to purge her site?

A site that was happily archived for years right up until this story broke?

[LexVegas]

68. Millions of codes...

[Azathoth]

71. I get it. It's all a conspiracy against Joy. Just like the moon landing.

[LexVegas]

73. Acid washed. Not a conspiracy. True. Sad.

[ehrnst]

74. You had to dig deep for that strawman.

We're gonna need a bigger bale..

[Azathoth]

77. Lol, someone needs to look up the definition of "strawman"

[ehrnst]

79. Indeed. (nt)

[Azathoth]

80. lol, so many posts, and you still haven't answered the question

[ehrnst]

83. And now we bring in a red herring!

When strawmen don't work... the old reliable....

[Azathoth]

85. And another misused term! You're on a roll

Presumably you think your comical misuse of terminology and your clumsy mockery will distract people from the fact that you haven't even attempted to answer the original, very simple question.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

76. The MSNBC cyber security expert is purging his own Stormfront and Daily Syormer ties.

And he is doing his own personal profile scrubbing of his own image.

Not sure this is the guy I want to rely on for his opinions of veracity. A self described “psyops guy”

https://www.mediaite.com/online/joy-reids-cyber-security-expert-bragged-about-affiliations-with-neo-nazis/

Joy Ann Reid’s “cyber security expert” Jonathan Nichols, who the MSNBC host hired to prove that she did not write the supposedly “fabricated” anti-gay posts published on her old blog, once bragged about knowing prominent white supremacist Andrew “weev” Auernheimer.

NBC quietly circulated a statement from Nichols late Tuesday night which claimed to have found “evidence Joy Reid’s now-defunct blog, the Reid Report, was breached after a review of suspicious activity.”

While the Reid debacle thus far has focused on dated homophobic material published on the AM Joy host’s now-defunct blog The Reid Report, it appears that Nichols himself has a history of disturbing old posts.

The self-declared “Current Cyber Guy, Former PSYOP guy” goes by the handle @wvualphasoldier on Twitter, where he posts a stream of self-serious, bizarre ramblings. After NBC released a statement regarding his work for Reid, however, Nichols deleted all of his account’s old posts, went on a tweetstorm declaring a “lock down” of his account, and then placed it on protected mode so non-followers could not see his tweets.

[R B Garr]

86. LMAO! That mediaite site is also after Rachel Maddow, ZOMGl

Rachel's gotta go, too! Someone on that site posted some inane headlines about her. Rachel bad! Bernie good.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

91. Yep. They sure did

A totally innocent scrubbing though. Totally.

And it was done back in December when the supposed apology was taking place.

Nothing to see here


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joy-reid-homophobic-blog_us_5adf9e1ce4b07560f39654a4

Following Internet Archive’s correspondence with Reid’s lawyers, Reid’s blog implemented a code that prevented the archive from indexing her blog, the organization said in its statement. Internet Archive did not speculate as to who placed the code.

“That request was automatically recognized and processed by the Wayback Machine and the blog archives were excluded, unbeknownst to us (the process is fully automated),” according to Internet Archive’s statement. “The robots.txt exclusion from the web archive remains automatically in effect due to the presence of the request on the live blog.”

[ehrnst]

82. YES - THE ACID WASHING!! Those progressive harpies are crafty, aren't they?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

66. Yeah, funny that.

[Gothmog]

113. Here are some facts for you to ignore or not be able to understand

Link to tweet

[George II]

125. That documents (somewhat) an observation that I made earlier - seems odd that....

....all these mysteriously now unearthed posts don't have any comments or responses, although many others that have been there all along did have responses.

Thanks for find this and trying to add some sensibility to this situation. It'll be quiet though.

[Gothmog]

128. From the expert

Link to tweet

[Hassin Bin Sober]

133. You mean the expert who is friends with The Daily Stormer editor.

Cyber Security Expert’ Bragged About Affiliations With Neo-Nazis
https://www.mediaite.com/online/joy-reids-cyber-security-expert-bragged-about-affiliations-with-neo-nazis/

Excuse me if I don’t take this dude’s word for it. I assume he has some screen shots before they inserted the text to the old blog to scrub it from the archives?

[Boxerfan]

123. Anyone who rec'd this post should think again-This is Propoganda from Russia

There have been verified hacks & changes to her old blog posts-don't fall for this crap.

Joy is a asset-anyone degrading her is helping Repukes-simple as that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

135. If this was a hack job, it's absolutely outrageous what's been done to Joy & should be condemned...

in the strongest possible terms possible... just as Joy should be condemned IF she made that story up.

I, for one, give her the complete benefit of the doubt that she is being truthful until I see evidence to the contrary... I have said this repeatedly.

Apparently, though, according to some, that is "gaslighting" and nefarious of me, because I also happen to support Bernie... and because Joy has been critical of Bernie in the past - something I've never even commented upon - my motives in connection with this situation MUST be questioned and I can only be considered a vile and evil person... and I thought I had heard it all!

Some people I guess have no shame. What also amazes me is that not a SINGLE person here will defend me on this, the hatred for Bernie is THAT strong (not that I need anyone's help to make my case). But, you would think... oh, nevermind.

I don't even recognize this place anymore.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

149. I recognize it.

It’s like 2009 again and gay people “just want a pony”. And saying gays are gross is just an opinion.

People are actually defending the statements as not that bad or not homophobic (in between denying their existence)

[JustAnotherGen]

179. +1000

Benefit of the doubt goes to Joy.

[MicaelS]

129. The real question is WHY...

Are people digging up shit from years ago? And why are YOU promoting it?

People can make mistakes and change. I would hate to have my old posts from 15 years ago on another website brought up here.

[George II]

150. I asked that question yesterday, got a snarky question in response. But I think many know.

[stevenleser]

174. This is old refighting the 2016 primaries and getting an early start on 2020

This is all about Bernie Sanders

[dsc]

175. No it isn't

It is about blatant bigotry and lying to boot. Either she has been framed or else she literally called gays teen molesters and is lying to our faces about having done so. If a gay pundit said something as racist as that is homophobic he would be gone before sundown.

[stevenleser]

184. Yes, it is. Its 100% blatant refighting of the primaries and getting a jump on 2020

Look, I have no idea whether Joy said that stuff in 2006 in her blog or not and neither do you.

The fact that she has been targeted and her blog posts from 11 years ago were data-mined or hacked, depending upon your point of view, is only because of her viewpoints on Sanders. That’s really what this is about.

[dsc]

188. well I do care if she wrote them and I really care if she is a liar

I defended her on the original posts but if she literally wrote that gays molest teens and is lying to our faces about it now that is something I do care about. Let's get real. If a gay pundit wrote stuff that was as racist as what she admits having written is homophobic he would have been fired yesterday. Add in these new posts and lying, we all know what would happen. Even 11 years ago adults knew better than to literally say gays molest teens unless they worked for the FRC.

[stevenleser]

190. All of us care, that again is not the issue. Do you remember what happened

When the guy in Vermont announced he was challenging Bernie for the Vermont US senate seat? The same thing happened. His past social media posts were data mined and again some sort of prejudicial statements were found. I can’t remember if they were racist or homophobic at this point.

The fact that some element of Sanders supporters find this behavior acceptable is abhorrent to me. If someone doesn’t like Sanders their posts are combed through to try to find something to attack and destroy them. That is not OK. If Reid actually wrote those things, that’s not OK either, but Sanders should come out and denounce this behavior by his supporters. Enough is enough. This has happened too many times already.

[Gothmog]

136. Joan Walsh has been following and editing Joy for a long time

I trust Joan Walsh and I found these tweets to be helpful

Link to tweet

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[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

181. Interesting

[Demsrule86]

139. Why are you attacking Joy? People evolve you know. You should delete this.

[David__77]

167. All sorts of bigots come around, it is true.

...

[TheSmarterDog]

172. Including the bigots falsely accusing a black woman.

Usually, anyway. We're still waiting for some.

[Demsrule86]

195. Well by your standards I was once a bigot and so was President Obama.

[David__77]

199. Blog post said: adult gay men tend to be attracted to... post-pubescent types"

I don't recall Obama saying anything like "adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types, bringing them 'into the lifestyle.'" I totally understand that people may not find such statements to be bigoted - it's a matter of viewpoint.

People's viewpoints can change or remain fixed. There's no such thing is innate "bigotness."

[Demsrule86]

200. and she says she didn't write it and has asked for an investigation...I evolved on the issue ...

don't remember specifics...thankfully before my beautiful daughter came out.

[David__77]

204. Thank you.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

My mother did not react well to my sexual orientation-I am glad that her perspective changed.

[Demsrule86]

208. I am so thankful that I realized my error before my daughter came out...

I would be so horrified if I had caused her pain in this matter. Like many people, I met gay folks at my job and realized they were like anyone else and deserved the same rights I enjoyed. I was ashamed of my thoughts in this matter and some of the comments I had made. I turned it around and became a better person...always a work in progress to be a good person! But I try.

[TheSmarterDog]

164. People accepting the "Joy is evil" story are being played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=ioBhGmfYDKo

[ecstatic]

168. Sept 2017: Attacking (Users Of) The Wayback Machine

The Wayback Machine has a LOT of security holes that have been publicly identified for months. Data can be changed on the fly, or worse--corrupted and/ or removed from the archive.

Right from the start, nearly two decades ago, the LOCKSS system assumed that:

Alas, even libraries have enemies. Governments and corporations have tried to rewrite history. Ideological zealots have tried to suppress research of which they disapprove.

The LOCKSS polling and repair protocol was designed to make it as difficult as possible for even a powerful attacker to change content preserved in a decentralized LOCKSS network, by exploiting excess replication and the lack of a central locus of control.

Just like libraries, Web archives have enemies. Jack Cushman and Ilya Kreymer's (CK) talk at the 2017 Web Archiving Conference identified seven potential vulnerabilities of centralized Web archives that an attacker could exploit to change or destroy content in the archive, or mislead an eventual reader as to the archived content.

Now, Rewriting History: Changing the Archived Web from the Present by Ada Lerner et al (L) identifies four attacks that, without compromising the archive itself, caused browsers using the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine to view pages that look different to the originally archived content. It is important to observe that the title is misleading, and that these attacks are less serious than those that compromise the archive. Problems with replaying archived content are fixable, loss or damage to archived content is not fixable.

Read more about the actual vulnerabilities.: https://blog.dshr.org/2017/09/attacking-users-of-wayback-machine.html

[melman]

169. Did the time-traveling hackers also hack her twitter?

Wow. That is really something if so.

[ecstatic]

178. What specifically are you referring to? Links? nt

[Gothmog]

170. The Joy Reid Saga: The Wayback Machine cannot guarantee authenticity

The wayback machine does not guarantee anything https://burningbird.net/the-joy-reid-saga-the-wayback-machine-cannot-guarantee-authenticity/#.WuDw69w6PTy.twitter

The same cannot be said for the actual Wayback Machine archives.

The Wayback Machine is an invaluable historical record of the web. Through it, I’ve been able to recover past writings lost because of all the many changes I’ve made to my web site. It’s a wonderful way of exploring the web’s history.

However, the Wayback Machine is not, and never has been, a definitive source of the authenticity of what it captures on the web. It has access to a web page at a specific location at a specific time…but no special privilege that allows it to determine the authenticity of the author of the content in the page.

As noted by Chris Butler at the Internet Archives, home organization for the Wayback Machine:

When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.

Pages archived at different dates and by different entities... This statement is key to understanding the difference between Wayback Machine’s archival functionality as separate from the media’s assumption of Wayback Machine as Super Authenticator, able to leap tall metadata with a single bound!

[shenmue]

176. Bunch of garbage

Fuck off.

[JustAnotherGen]

183. Cohen took 5th in Daniels case

Breaking news on Lawrence O'Donnell right now.

That's good right?

[BannonsLiver]

191. Its a helluva lot more important than Joy Reid

That is for sure. Honestly all this hullabaloo about a talk show host who is on Sundays when Saturn is in the 7th house on leap years and months beginning in M is kind of ridiculous.

[GaryCnf]

187. I don't know what Joy Reid said

a decade ago. I know I said stupid shit when I was young and I hear young people saying stupid shit now. We all have to learn.

What matters is what is in her heart now and I don't see anyone questioning that.

That's all I need to know.

[Sugarcoated]

194. I love Joy, she's whip smart and an amazing commentator

I've never fallen for or bought into right wing smear and never will, and I certainly won't be duped by Russian propaganda. What's with the militant JPR-type Bernie people and their Russian bent?

[Gothmog]

197. From Malcom Nance

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[stonecutter357]

201. #facknews !

[lapfog_1]

203. anyone wanna bet that I couldnt hack the wayback machine and edit

a blog site to add some unflattering posts?

These things are not etched in stone... they are just bits on a disk drive on a computer. Disk drives can be edited.. and done in such a way to leave NO TRACE.

Russian hackers are easily capable of such things.

I've been doing storage systems for computers for 30+ years...

Not saying that this is what happened... perhaps she did write some posts years ago that were not acceptable today. I would also cut her a break because people can evolve. I suspect there are many people who have changed their views on a *lot* of sexual and racial issues.

So unless she posted homophobic stuff in the last, say, 3 years, lets move on.

[kcr]

205. Typical Splinter

This is their audience. From the comments:

"Joy Reid is a hack, a total dumbass, and yes, probably a bigot, but her fans are so stupid and so deranged that they’ll just keep loudly defending her in all corners of Online and she’ll stay on TV forever. Love to live in hellworld, baby!!!"

[Hassler]

206. How long until Kirsten Gillibrand demands Reid's firing?

[MrsCoffee]

207. This OP won't age well.

Worth noting the people pushing this horseshit.

[Malikshah]

210. Bingo

This is a travesty and people should be held accountable.

[struggle4progress]

209. And then -- the Internet Archive deleted the records they said supported their own claim!