Joy Reid is not a major factor in teen suicide. But guns are.

[struggle4progress]

... Suicide is the third leading cause of death in 15 to 24 year olds ... The strongest risk factors for attempted suicide in youth are depression, substance abuse, and aggressive or disruptive behaviors ... Firearms are used in over half of youth suicides ... Studies have shown that suicide prevention programs most likely to succeed are those focused on identification and treatment of mental illness and substance abuse, coping with stress, and controlling aggressive behaviors ... Keep medications and firearms away from children ...

http://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=teen-suicide-90-P02584

[BigmanPigman]

1. Especially with males.

Females take it out on themselves more .....like by developing eating disorders.

[Wwcd]

2. K & R

[mythology]

3. And LGBT teens are 4 times more likely to attempt suicide than straight teens

https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/11/12438678/cdc-report-queer-teens-health-risk-suicide

Perhaps the most somber result is that nearly one-third of gay and bisexual students have recently attempted suicide, while 43 percent seriously considered it. The numbers for straight students are 6 percent and 15 percent, respectively.

Guns make suicide attempts more likely to be fatal, being LGBT in our society makes one more likely to attempt to commit suicide. Addressing both is possible.

[sheshe2]

4. K&R

[FreeState]

5. Homophobia kills period. N/T

[struggle4progress]

6. The image of Orrin Hatch giving a W nominee a blowjob on the Senate floor

is certainly one I will try to forget as quickly as possible, no matter how apt a description of GOP oversight that seems to be, and no matter who actually wrote that down, but I do have some doubts about how many LGBT youth were actually driven into suicidal paroxysms by it

[Voltaire2]

7. What?

Are you seriously dismissing the huge problem of lgbt youth suicide?

Why yes you are. That is the basis of your op.

[struggle4progress]

19. What? Are you seriously suggesting that Joy Reid is somehow responsible for youth suicide?

Why, yes, you do seem to be doing exactly that. That appears to be the basic premise behind your outrage

[dsc]

10. That isn't the post I referenced

and you well know that. In point of fact my thread was posted before those came out. And you know that too. Here is what I said kills gay teens. Calling adult gay men teen molesters and accusing gay civil rights groups of targeting teens to convert them. That is a fair paraphrase of the statement. My OP has the actual text. And I stand behind the fact that is absolutely true. That mindset is why adult gays often don't interact with gay teens. It is why gay teens are left defenseless against the rank bigotry of statements like those. It is why some of them decide to end their lives. The fact you chose to pretend to not know any of this speaks volumes about you, none of it good.

[struggle4progress]

17. Suicide is a serious issue. I've known a number of people who killed themselves

and others who attempted. I can't see much reason to tolerate bullshizz masquerading as analysis

[struggle4progress]

16. I expect you know very well that Joy Reid is not causing teen suicides

I usually consider philosophical analyses of social issues to border on bullshizz. I know you can handle mathematics competently: get us some good fine-grained statistics, and we can discuss what they mean

[Voltaire2]

8. Dismisses lgbt youth suicide problem.

Posts on progressive web site.

Gets recs.

[TheSmarterDog]

9. Maybe this issue is a just little more important than

what some media personality probably didn't write 10 yrs ago. Ya think?

Laying LBGT teen suicides at Joy Reid's feet for something she didn't say *REALLY* trivializes it. And doing so is highly offensive.

[Voltaire2]

12. Homophobia is a major factor in lgbt youth suicide.

That doesn’t make Joy Reid by herself a major factor, anymore than an individual gun is a major factor. It does make her contribution to a culture of homophobia part of the problem.

The op is nauseating. Find another way that support Reid.

[struggle4progress]

18. Find another way to highlight suicide issues, other than tying them to Reid

Teen suicides are certainly tragedies. So are suicides at later ages --- and suicide rates (per 100k) increase steadily with age, as shown by the following WISQARS data

15-19 7.96
20-24 13.24
25-29 13.71
30-34 13.91
35-39 15.00
40-44 16.54
45-49 17.83
50-54 18.34
55-59 17.30
60-64 14.85
65-69 13.48
70-74 14.19
75-79 15.97
80-84 17.99

[TheSmarterDog]

20. Your post is nauseating. I'm sure every LGBT teen is hanging on every word Joy Reid said

1o fucking years ago. Great opportunity for you to unjustly attack her for what she didn't say, right?

[oberliner]

11. Homophobic teasing and guns are both major factors

[struggle4progress]

15. The social isolation theories make sense: rates are higher for men than for women;

are higher in rural areas; and are actually highest for the aging and elderly

Perhaps 5800 youth 15-24 take their own lives each year, which would be about an eighth of all US suicides. Major indicators of risk apparently include untreated mental illness, substance abuse, and aggressive behavior towards others

Judging mortality risks from reported suicide attempts is trickier, because attempt behaviors vary by gender and ethnicity, and because of possible self-reporting bias

Self-reporting would suggest about 1.8 million nonlethal suicide attempts among high school students each year; the same self-reporting suggests about 0.6 million of these attempts required medical attention; while CDC self-harm estimates from hospital reports suggest 0.09 million nonlethal attempts in this age required medical attention (with females accounting for about two-thirds of the cases)

Firearms are of special concern due to their lethality: fewer than 4000 cases of nonlethal self-harm with a firearm appear to occur in the US each year, compared to perhaps 23000 cases of firearm suicide

[dsc]

14. I actually take issue with the notion that LGBT especially the T

isn't a stronger risk factor than aggressive or disruptive behavior. I have my doubts that 40% of those people attempt suicide which is the current figure for transgender. I might be wrong on that but that sounds considerably higher than it really is.