As people were focused on a comedian's* comments last night

[bigtree]

Jim Acosta @Acosta 5h5 hours ago
As people were focused on a comedian’s comments last night here’s how the president characterized immigrants, as people rushing across the border to game the system so they can ultimately vote for Democrats.

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[Solly Mack]

1. K&R

[S.E. TN Liberal]

2. "...Lawyers are telling them what to say..."...

Good thing that would never happen with TraitorTrump or any of his people...

[oberliner]

3. Has the AP ever used the term "vulgar* to describe Trump? Answer: Yes, repeatedly

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump's vulgar remarks about why the U.S. should admit immigrants from Haiti and Africa have spotlighted the bitter divide among American evangelicals about his presidency.

WASHINGTON (AP) — He urged his audience not to jeer North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un while goading the crowd to boo the press.

He called an African-American congresswoman a “very low-IQ individual” and bashed the moderator of NBC’s “Meet the Press” as a “sleeping son of a bitch.”

If it wasn’t crystal clear already, President Donald Trump’s roaring rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday night underscored the fact that, more than a year into the job, Trump has no interest in leaving behind the vulgar insults or biting attacks on the free press that defined his 2016 Republican campaign.

Trump partly denies, also defends vulgar immigrant comments

https://www.apnews.com/67e65110e4ac4250a27c7545b4db2fb5

[sprinkleeninow]

4. Vulgar is as vulgar does. n/t

[Exotica]

6. Donald, Duke of Cocksplat is a vulgarian of the short-fingered type.

[sprinkleeninow]

8. Experimentation consisted of 'perceived' power. Hmmm....🤔

[Cha]

5. Important context tonight following the #WHCD.

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The AP should use "Vulgar" on trump but I seriously doubt it.

Thanks for this, bigtree.. I've been posting these pertinent tweets around, too.

trump is a disgusting pos and I'm glad Michelle Wolf called him and his enablers out.. tough shit about their hypocritical sensibilities.

[oberliner]

9. AP has used vulgar on Trump repeatedly

And media personalities and journalists have shown emotion when Trump mocked and said hateful things against Muslims, Mexicans, and immigrants.

Some examples of AP using vulgar to describe Trump comments:

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump's vulgar remarks about why the U.S. should admit immigrants from Haiti and Africa have spotlighted the bitter divide among American evangelicals about his presidency.

WASHINGTON (AP) — He urged his audience not to jeer North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un while goading the crowd to boo the press.

He called an African-American congresswoman a “very low-IQ individual” and bashed the moderator of NBC’s “Meet the Press” as a “sleeping son of a bitch.”

If it wasn’t crystal clear already, President Donald Trump’s roaring rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday night underscored the fact that, more than a year into the job, Trump has no interest in leaving behind the vulgar insults or biting attacks on the free press that defined his 2016 Republican campaign.

Trump partly denies, also defends vulgar immigrant comments

https://www.apnews.com/67e65110e4ac4250a27c7545b4db2fb5

[cwydro]

7. Side question here.

Wondering why you used the term “comedienone” in your OP?

Pretty sure gender specific descriptions are no longer in common use.

[oberliner]

10. The gendered noun comedienne--the female equivalent of comedian--has been growing in prevalence over

The gendered noun comedienne—the female equivalent of comedian—has been growing in prevalence over the last few years, but its use in 21st-century English is questionable for a few reasons. First, most female comedians refer to themselves as comedians, not comediennes. Second, gendered terms can be distracting, especially where the traditionally male forms have long been standard for describing people of both sexes (as is the case with comedian). Third, such gendered terms can be interpreted as sexist, especially when the person’s sex is beside the point.

http://grammarist.com/usage/comedienne/

[Tipperary]

13. I just saw your post after posting mine below. Exactly. I do not know of any female comedians

who use that gendered term. Degeneres, Silverman, Griffin, Madigan, and gasp (!) even Roseanne.

[oberliner]

14. Gendered terms in general seem to have been re-examined lately, and some even discarded

Stewardess certainly seems to be gone completely.

Waitress seems to be teetering.

Actress as well.

[bigtree]

11. I'm 57

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...I haven't heard a thing about 'comedienne' being out of fashion.

I just read some back and forth on it and I'm comfortable with it's use in this op. Maybe not for some future reference. I don't know. It's just not a settled issue and I'm comfortable identifying the artist as a female. Besides, I've always thought it a bit unfair that there's a term specifically for women that is neglected in favor of one that many identify with men.

As it was, there wasn't any indication at all that the artist was a woman. I just felt I wanted to make it clear.

I'm very proud of her performance, btw. I'm more impressed by her monologue with every sad attack that surfaces.

(maybe not as 'comfortable with the term after some discussion. I'm good with being schooled on this one.)

[Tipperary]

12. Most female comedians refer to themselves as comedians. Comediennes is rarely used anymore.

Just as female actors use the term actor now, not actress. It has been that way for awhile. I, too, was surprised at your use of that word. People should be referred to the way they refer to themselves, imo. Besides, lol, I think everyone would know who you were talking about without gender reference.

Acosta used “comedian” in his tweet. You changed his words.

[bigtree]

15. I can now appreciate the change in reference

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...having been informed.

I'm feeling a bit dismayed. 'Actress' is out, as well? I feel tired and old. FFS, it seems like just yesterday that these gender specific terms were complementary, against the backdrop of so many male-centered/related terms. I'm very happy to learn and oblige, though. I'm now thinking I might be missing a lot more stuff, and I try hard to accommodate my life to social and political change.

[cwydro]

16. It crept up on me too lol.

I think I read an article with Ellen where it was discussed.

Tried to find it, but thus far unsuccessful.