I'm more offended how badly Michelle Wolf sucks as a comedian than I am the content of her jokes

[hexola]

That's what's offensive...!

She sucks...not funny at all.

Not even close....

Offensive is not the issue...sucking at comedy is more offensive!!!

She'll never work again!

Because she's not funny...anyone can be offensive...that's easy...

being funny - not so easy...

She is a shitty comedian first...offensive second

[Fullduplexxx]

1. Maybe comedy really had no place there

At this time with this president

[airmid]

31. Probably any time...it seems to me they just want to stroke their own egos...

[misanthrope]

93. Maybe the event should be "journalists only"

The appearance it gives in its current form only emboldens the public's distrust of the Fourth Estate. It is one of the things eroding our democracy.

[Adrahil]

2. LOL... her Netflix show just got a huge promotion.

She's not my cup of tea, but she will do quite well, I think.

[Joediss]

38. Mine either

I am not sure she is considered one of John Stewart comedy students or not , but it more like she went to the Donald trump school of comedy. Not my cup of tea.

[Tipperary]

3. I agree. Her delivery was awful, like she was giving a speech, not a comedy routine.

Apparently the WHCD is even backing off on supporting her.

[IluvPitties]

42. I hate to agree. She lacks in the delivery department.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

80. You know she wasn't supposed to be doing a comedy routine, right?

That she was functioning as an after dinner speaker. Which is much different than stand up.

But sure, let's go after her as the problem.

[pnwmom]

97. But a speaker is still supposed to control her delivery. Hers was so flat

it affected her ability to get her message across.

Some of what she was saying I didn't understand till I read it on paper.

[pnwmom]

96. Yes. Some of the jokes I didn't understand till I saw them on paper

and could read them twice.

[Old Vet]

4. Jesus Christ, Shes a comedian, I thought she was funny, You didnt. Thats Life.....................

[BeyondGeography]

5. She is mediocre

Big market for that, however.

[Tipperary]

13. Ha! You are so right. Sad, but true.

[Demsrule86]

6. I didn't think she was funny either.

[Trust Buster]

7. The abortion joke was offensive. The pink p***y joke was offensive.

The Southwest Airlines tragedy joke was offensive. I think some are being way to “defensive”.

[WhiteTara]

9. women jokes are offensive.

Okay.

[jberryhill]

11. The Southwest Airline joke was a "woman joke"

Is it a "woman joke" because a woman died?

[WhiteTara]

15. I was referring to pussy hats and abortions

[Trust Buster]

12. I found the content of some of her jokes to be offensive regardless of gender.

[procon]

36. If the reference to pussy offends you, then you haven't been paying attention. nt

I was offended when Trump bragged about grabbing women by the pussy, but you're complaining because a witty woman actually called him out on his disgusting behaviour and yet you think this line is offensive:

“I would drag him here myself, but it turns out that the president of the United States is the one pussy you’re not allowed to grab. He said it first. Yeah, he did. You remember? Good.”
---

You are offended when a strong woman bring up the hypocrisy of Republican men who are trying to make abortions illegal again, while they pay off their mistresses to get one? Why doesn't offend you?


“[Vice-president Mike Pence] thinks abortion is murder. Which first of all don’t knock it till you try it. And when you do try it, really knock it, you gotta get that baby out of there. And yeah, sure, you can groan all you want, I know a lot of you are very anti-abortion, you know, unless it’s the one you got for your secret mistress.”

Your priorities need some serious realignment.

[BannonsLiver]

40. Really? I thought the abortion line was one of the funnier lines of the night

I guess to each their own.

[ehrnst]

104. Me too. As a long time pro-choice activist

it was good to hear the caricature that pro-lifers have of women casually getting abortions before their vacation so they will look good in a bikini thrown right back at them.

[EffieBlack]

78. I didn't like those jokes, either

But I think she he walked very close to the line - as do most really smart, very edgy and insightful comedians. And when they walk that close to the line, they sometimes teeter over onto the wrong side. But when they nail it, they totally kill it, as she did.

Richard Pryor, Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Sam Kinnison, etc. - the true geniuses - sometimes made me cringe. But when they got it right, they were so dead on, it was painful.

I don’t think Michelle Wolf is in their league - yet - but she showed she may have the chos to eventually get there.

[Vinca]

8. I didn't watch, but saw bits I thought were funny and some that weren't.

One thing I've noticed about comedy in general is the more profane someone has to be, the less funny they are. Just saying fuck isn't a knee slapper.

[Trust Buster]

14. I call that the Andrew Dice Clay approach. I agree.

[Atman]

10. Comedy is subjective.

Her HBO special is hysterical. I’m sure her Netflix special will be boffo. Some people like Brussels sprouts, some don’t. Good thing you only get decide for yourself.

[BannonsLiver]

41. Some people are also reflexively annoyed by female comics

Women can’t be funny, etc. I get a whiff of that in this thread and the criticism of Wolf, tbh.

[ehrnst]

105. As we have seen. One even said, "She did this for her own publicity - and money."

Someone for whom Jon Stewart and Colbert are heroes....

But they are men.

[NoMoreRepugs]

16. Now we have comedy police...... puh-leeeez.

Get over yourselves people.... nobody gives a shit about your opinions on her comedic talent level.

[OnDoutside]

19. +1

[obnoxiousdrunk]

52. +2.

[Scurrilous]

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[ehrnst]

106. +1000 (nt)

[ollie10]

17. We all got played

Nobody heard of Michelle Wolf before Saturday night. You hadn't. I hadn't.

She could have done a great routine where people would have been talking about how bad Trump is or how lame his presidency has been.

But she had no intention of doing that. She wanted all the talk to be about Michelle Wolf. And she succeeded. She was the comedy equivalent of being a shock jock.

And so everyone is talking about her. We are not talking about Cohen....who's Cohen?....we aren't talking about Trump.....and we aren't even talking about Huckaby Sanders' lies, we are talking about her eyes.

And Wolf will now make more money. It is all about money.

We got played.

[hexola]

20. Yep - think of all the material she had to work with...

And this was the best should could do...?

I think you are correct...

[dembotoz]

23. Nobody got played watch her stand up this is what she does

Pretty damn simple.

[hexola]

24. Sure...and she sucks.

She is bad at her job.

[Blue_Adept]

32. I'm sure there's a lot of comedians that you like that I think suck

And there are a lot of comedians that I like that you think suck.

Same with art, movies, TV, books, etc.

Bad, in these cases, is int he eye of the beholder.

[ollie10]

25. nobody is going to talk about lies, they will talk about eyes

meanwhile, Wolf whistles her way to the bank

[dembotoz]

28. Then we must...she has been publically called a liar

Let back that up

[ollie10]

30. We are talking about her eyes.....

Wolf's speech had one and only one goal. It wasn't to roast Trump or Sanders. It was to be shocking, to get everyone talking about Michelle Wolf.

I would rather talk about Trump and Sanders' lies.....than her eyes

[dembotoz]

43. we are talking about her lies

load the guns and blast away

[ehrnst]

107. OMG!! You mean she got PAID? Was she doing the Daily Show for free?

I suppose you also object to her getting paid to have her own show, which she earned before Saturday?

[kwassa]

47. I've heard of her before, seen her before AND thought she was funny.

Still do.

Shock humor is common from many comedians these days. Other MCs of this event have been brutal, too. It is a roast.

[Eliot Rosewater]

64. She was brilliant and funny. I cant believe I am reading what I am reading.

Wow.

Maybe we dont deserve to survive and maybe the deplorables just need to destroy everything before we learn.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

81. So you don't watch the Daily Show.

Got it.

How about if you don't assume your lack of the current comedy scene stretches to all of us.

[IronLionZion]

82. Many of us have seen her on the Daily Show and her standup specials

The people who booked her clearly did not do much research. This is how she is normally and she makes no apologies for it.

[ollie10]

85. So she is always whiny?

[IronLionZion]

88. Shrill, it's what she's known for and owns it

and very self-deprecating.

[ollie10]

89. I noticed the shrill part

Missed the self-deprecating

[IronLionZion]

90. Watch it again

she does it many times throughout her act

[Beaverhausen]

84. Plenty of us have heard of her.

You don’t like her. Fine. That’s your right. But she wasn’t invited there because she’s a nobody. She’s an up-and-coming comedian who gave exactly what should’ve been given at that event.

[progressoid]

98. Nobody?

Hell, I saw her a year and half ago on BBC.

Oh, and then there's the Daily Show and HBO.

Sheeesh.

[ehrnst]

103. No, everyone watching the Daily Show heard of her. And she has her own show now.

You are threatened that so many people like her, posting on several OPs.

[OnDoutside]

18. If only she were a he, this wouldn't be a big deal ?

I'm not a fan of hers but I thought she was excellent on Saturday night. To each their own.

[ollie10]

44. yeah...and if the press secretary was a male...we wouldn't be roasting make up

[OnDoutside]

45. Spicer ?

[ollie10]

46. Makeup?

[JenniferJuniper]

49. You have already been schooled on

smoky makeup.

Do you need a "make up" session?

[OnDoutside]

50. Oh yes !

https://media.allure.com/photos/596517842a25b36d91537468/3:4/w_570/spicer.jpg

:large

All he's lacking is rouge ...

https://www.allure.com/story/sean-spicer-does-his-own-makeup

Though President Donald Trump has been the one long called out for his particular shade of "tan", Press Secretary Sean Spicer takes the crown for top makeup artist in the White House. Spicer has been been conspicuously absent from television screens now that the default protocol is apparently off-camera briefings, but the press secretary is certainly always ready for his closeup. A recent New York Times article revealed that Spicer does his own makeup.
Reporter Mark Leibovich visited Spicer's White House office before a scheduled appearance on Fox News. While discussing the Inauguration crowd size, an aide stepped in to remind Spicer about his impending TV interview, prompting Spicey to break out the foundation — and was none too happy that Leibovich made a note of it.

[Spicer] walked over to a small desk in the corner of his office and started rubbing on foundation

[ollie10]

58. So Spicer used makeup for being on stage

And he wasn't roasted about his makeup?

I guess you have to be a female for that.....

[JenniferJuniper]

60. She was not "roasted over her makeup"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/29/snowflakes-sarah-huckabees-perfect-smokey-eye

She was roasted for being a lying sack of shit.

Maybe it's time to return to FR?

[Eliot Rosewater]

65. And a nazi fascist.

[hexola]

21. Maybe they should hire Bill Cosby next year...

Why not - who cares about values...!!!

Right??

She gave Michelle O the finger last night...essentially.

[Iggo]

22. And there it is.

"Hey guys! I found a different way to hate her that I think doesn't make me look like as much of an asshole as those others guys!"

[Javaman]

26. +1000 nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

87. Yep.

[Scurrilous]

95. Yep.

I can't attack her politics on this forum, or pretend she hurt poor Sarah's feelings, so I'll say her comedy sucked.

[Squinch]

27. I thought she was great. And

she is making it clear that we are more offended by those who point out hypocrisy than we are by the hypocrites.

[DinahMoeHum]

29. Your "concern" is noted.

Granted, some of her jokes were groaners, but all in all, given that we have a crass vulgar excuse for a POTUS, the times call for crass vulgar humor thrown back at him and his sycophants in the government and the media.

If they're looking for a guilty party, they need only look in the mirror.

[Blue_Adept]

33. At least you didn't comment on how you disliked her voice like some others

[procon]

34. Seriously? You're publicly announcing that you are "offended" by a comedian?

Why is this even a topic... what's up with that, dear, do you think anyone actually cares? Were you this fragile when she was on the Daily Show, and now that she has a new gig on Netflix starting on May 27, your mental health is in grave risk.

C'mon, you must be old enough -- its in TOS -- to be at least marginally aware that we all have our personal preferences when it comes what is or isn't funny, but that entirely a subjective exercise. Mind you now, I've heard some people griping about her excoriating takedown of well known personages and the sacred cow we call 'the media', but you -- LOL -- you are actually mewling that she wasn't funny enough for your esteemed tastes?

Next post, do you entertain us with the actors whose acting skills aren't up to your standards?

[tenderfoot]

35. conservatives tend not to get comedy so your reaction isn't much of a surprise...

perhaps Jeff Dunham is more your speed.

[dsc]

37. She objectively had uneven delivery

particularly bad was the Trump is so broke routine which had very funny lines but was so poorly delivered that they were utterly lost. That said, I thought she had many very good jokes some of which were delivered well others not so much.

[Iggo]

91. Yeah, there were a couple of times where she was bombing for a minute.

But that's how it goes with shows sometimes.

[blogslut]

39. Comedy is subjective.

Who knew?

[MineralMan]

48. So, do you get equally offended by all lousy comics, or is it just her?

[Eliot Rosewater]

66. Bingo.

[democratisphere]

51. Different jokes for different folks!

Michelle Wolf is very funny! Sorry.

[Faux pas]

53. Yeah

she ain't funny, but, she was right.

[Bettie]

54. Comedy is extremely subjective

the things I find hilarious may not even be worth a smile to others.

Meanwhile, some things I find not to be at all funny are incredibly funny to others.

She'll get plenty of work.

[forgotmylogin]

55. I'm offended how badly wildebeests suck as animals than I am the content of their jokes.

[Rollo]

56. What little I heard in excerpts didn't seem so bad...

And Kathy Griffin has chimed in with the comment, "Nobody has asked Trump to apologize..."

After all, Trump has mocked many people much worse than Wolf's comments about Sanders.

Conservative Hypotwits All.

[rsdsharp]

57. That was my problem.

Trump and his minions are fair game. I'm not offended by what she said. It's just that it wasn't funny. There were three or four lines that gave me a chuckle, but mostly it was like Trump's Al Smith dinner speech.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

59. I didn't find her especially funny, either, but humor is pretty subjective.

Others obviously did think she was funny. And when I read the transcript the next day, at least some of the jokes seemed funnier than when she delivered them. Maybe I found her style too off-putting to enjoy the jokes (and her voice is awful), and I did find some of them to be mean-spirited and crude. But that really isn't the point. The point is that if the purpose of the WHCD is to celebrate the First Amendment, a comedian, or anyone else, should feel free to be offensive and call out the president, his minions, and the press itself, because that's what the First Amendment allows us to do. The complaints (mostly by GOPers, of course) have been over her comments directed at minions Sanders and Conway, and not at the quality of the humor. While I didn't like the routine, I was disappointed that the WHCA apologized. They shouldn't have.

The WHCD has become sort of a parody of itself, though. It's become a high-falutin' celebrity gathering where the main event is a comedy routine in which a comedian roasts various important people and is then criticized for it. Maybe they should just go back to being a dinner for industry folks where they award scholarships to students and say nice things about each other, then go back to work.

[LanternWaste]

61. I figured this would be the second bullet point to come into play.

After her "insult" was seen to be something other than an insult against Sander's appearance, I figured this would be the second bullet point to come into play.

If this one doesn't work, my guess is we start digging into her past twitter accounts to find something there, as last week's bait was delicious chum in shallow waters.

[still_one]

62. Gee, someone is offended because they don't find a comics observation about the Trump administration

and the media that covers it funny

I find that observation "funny"

[PubliusEnigma]

63. Concern ahoy!!!

I'll bet Michelle Wolf has people lining up to hire her.

[Eliot Rosewater]

67. She sure does, as she should. She is a courageous woman.

[BannonsLiver]

68. Tell me who you think is funny

And then I'll tell you if you have taste in comedy or not, or if your opinion on comedy is something that I would take seriously.

[Gothmog]

69. I disagree-I thought that she was funny enough

[NastyRiffraff]

70. I'm not offended by any comedian

I AM offended, very offended, by Donald Trump, Sarah Sanders, Kellyanne Conway, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan...I could go on (and on).

Comedians are bound to offend some people; it's what they do. And of COURSE, women aren't supposed to be comedians, are they?

I'm not particularly a Michelle Wolf fan, but I thought she was funny. And definitely on point.

[Thekaspervote]

71. She did a great job... political humor at its finest

[pandr32]

72. I loved her

I found her riveting--loved how her eyes shone and she smiled pleasantly as she delivered her jokes. She stood tall and her demeanor was defiant because she knew she was making some uncomfortable points well--as a woman. She wasn't grimacing and gross like Andrew Dice Clay, but pleasant with her eyes and smile, and she had penned her jokes beautifully so that they had to be thought about for a second to make sure you didn't miss some of the meaning or misheard what she said.

When I first checked in on DU to see what people were saying about her because I was unable to watch the WHCD I was shocked to read so many posts and comments about how Michelle Wolf was bombing. Later, when I caught the performance I thought her last name was so appropriate because she had the whole audience paying attention--they were her prey. I laughed when I heard her say that Kellyanne Conway's last name was so appropriate, and of course many other times, too. As the camera panned the audience I say people laughing (both appreciatively and with OMGs!), but they were paying attention--even Sarah whatever her name and Kellyanne Conway (quite a feat for Wolf because they are both always dismissive and interruptive).

I wished I could have been there to clap. No wonder everyone is talking about her performance and Netflix is extending her contract.

[vi5]

73. What is it people like to say on here?

"Your concern is noted."

[beachbum bob]

74. The worst routine I have watched, with so much trump material and

She came across as a d-list level comic. Hell I would have been funnier. Delivery was awful and material except for a few times sucked.

[pnwest]

75. I'm with you - she was unfunny in the same way that Howard Stern or Don Rickles are unfunny...

...as you said, anyone can be crass and obnoxious and mean. And all she did was parrot current talking points. SHS is a liar?! Who knew?!

[tonyt53]

76. Do I ever agree with you on this. I hope she doesn't quit her day job.

[Iggo]

79. Me, too.

Seeing as comedy IS her day job.

[tonyt53]

102. I've seen a lot of comedians, male AND female. She isn't very funny and her delivery is off.

But if you think she is good, then that is fine.

[TeamPooka]

77. good stuff to know about you so I don't have to take your opinion as seriously in the future.

[WillowTree]

83. Not funny....plus I just find that sort of gratuitous vulgarity completely off-putting.

I'm just pretty old school that way. I recognize that others feel differently.

[94Mountaineer]

86. I wouldn't say sucks but she's not very good

[elocs]

92. Ridiculing Trump and Co. is about as challenging as tripping blind people

and then being congratulated for being clever.

[MountCleaners]

99. I didn't think she was hilarious, but...

When you consider that we are in a crisis, and we have a President who disrespects the office and the American people, the cruelty was much deserved. This isn't the time for propriety.

The only thing is - as much as I despise Huckabee Sanders - some of the jokes seemed to be about her appearance and I don't necessarily care for that.

Other than that, I admire the rudeness. He is rude, childish and disrespects the office. Being rude is kind of necessary.

[aikoaiko]

100. I laughed through the whole thing.

Sure, I was occasionally shocked that she dropped some of the language she used, but that's her thing.

[TheBlackAdder]

101. So many people are offended by so many different things, which aren't even relatled to them.