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hey, guess what! turns out, michelle wolf is a woman!
i know, shocking, right??
my first clue was the right-wing telling her to shut up and that something she said was offensive somehow.
so i did some looking into it and my hunch was right! she's a woman!
i should be a detective or something!
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pandr32
(11,594 posts)I think you're correct.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)That is why her physical appearance/makeup has become an issue
When will women be able to work in the workplace and not have their looks or makeup be an issue of discussion?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's easy to pretend Sanders' appearance was ridiculed, despite that pretense being inaccurate.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)and Wolf wasn't saying anything about Sanders' appearance?
When you have to deny what she said, you know you're on the losing side of the argument
Make fun of her lies, yes. It was unnecessary to bring her appearance into this. And really Trump like
Not only that....it wound up creating sympathy for Sanders
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The butt of the joke was that lies transform a person, and rarely for the better.
More rationalizing from the Concern Department throwing whatever they can at the wall is *almost* as entertaining as were the jokes.
Losing, indeed. 
(I'm pretty sure the sympathy the joke engendered is as fallacious and transparent as are the criticisms of the original joke...)
ollie10
(2,091 posts)It was a cheap shot.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's fun to pretend we're offended by a comedian doing precisely what comedians do. No make-up jokes for comedians seems a rather irrational course of comedic interpretation (e.g., Lucille Ball had three great routines on bad make-up)... rather than focusing on the butt of the jokes-- Sanders' lies.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)“I actually really like Sarah. I think she’s very resourceful. But she burns facts and then she uses that ash to create a perfect smoky eye. Like, maybe she’s born with it, maybe it’s lies. It’s probably lies.”
That person is really trying to drive a narrative to you. . .
Fact Check - She literally said - the PERFECT SMOKY EYE.
And hell to the yeah women compliment other women on their appearance.
What she did point out was WHERE she sourced the charcoal eyeliner from to do the smudge.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)You mean to say she is so unskilled a comic that she didn't have enough material to diss the lies without resorting to a cheap shot reference to her eye makeup?
The allusion to the makeup distracted attention away from the lies.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)Spit it out! How did she insult her make-up.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Do you have any friends of the female gender? Go up to them this afternoon and tell them you think their eye liner looks like ashes.
Report back.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 30, 2018, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)
Smokey makeup is a thing.
She didn't insult her smokey makeup - She joked about where it came from. The burning lies.
Burning lies I'll bet you are just fine with.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)
Oppaloopa
(867 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)if it is a woman, you talk about issues but you just gotta throw in the makeup, appearance, whether it was perfect or not.....can't just treat a woman as a person, gotta make makeup and appearance part of the mix......
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)There's a name for that.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)that if anyone disagrees with you about how "low" she went doesn't agree that MLK is smart, because you believe both.
That qualifies as ranting.
riversedge
(70,245 posts)if it was so funny, why are you trying to deny?
There is great irony here.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)is violating MLK's non-violence philosophy?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You'll be stalking Michelle Wolf OPs within minutes.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)I think you just didn't "get" that one. Your indignation is misplaced.
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Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Michelle or Joy or whoever, will be targeted.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She made a clever remark connecting Sanders' signature style of eyeliner with burning facts.
And I fail to see how it "distracts" from Sanders' lying, when it talks about her lying in the beginning of the sentence. Why don't you tell us how distracted from her lying that people are on DU.
Report back .
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)tells us ALL we need to know about this deal here.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Ms. Wolf remarked that SHS eye liner looks like ashes? Because she did not say her eye liner looks like ashes she said it is made from the ashes of burnt facts. Your criticism is less and less legitimate as you stray farther and farther from what was actually said and substitute things that might be offensive if you squint right.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)What happened to the metaphor thing?
So what we have is....she never ever insulted her makeup.....she said the makeup was actually ash.....and the makeup was really a metaphor.
I'd say she just wanted to make a cheap shot at a working woman's physical appearance and that was about as clever as she could be under the circumstances
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And a makeup style called... SMOKY EYE?
OMG!!!!!! Do women not know that they are being insulted and demeaned by cosmetic companies?
And you really keep wanting to create an insult out of someone saying "perfect smoky eye."
And you may not think Wolf is "clever" or "skilled," but she's on the Daily Show, and is getting her own show.
Are you?
I think we can say pretty confidently that she's more "clever" and "skilled" than you, and a lot of professional comedians.
You think?
volstork
(5,402 posts)of the joke. There is NO insult to SHS's makeup. Get a clue.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)she said that the eye liner was made from burnt facts. That is not a compliment, but it isn't a knock on physical appearance. You should probably look elsewhere for entertainment since you don't seem to enjoy Ms. Wolf's comedy styling.
You may remember that Steven Colbert did the same gig a few years back. When he did there was one critique that really stood out to me. It was this one by Richard Cohen. [link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/03/AR2006050302202.html|
Allow me to put forth a small sample:
First, let me state my credentials: I am a funny guy. This is well known in certain circles, which is why, even back in elementary school, I was sometimes asked by the teacher to "say something funny" -- as if the deed could be done on demand. This, anyway, is my standing for stating that Stephen Colbert was not funny at the White House Correspondents' Association Dinner. All the rest is commentary.
The commentary, though, is also what I do, and it will make the point that Colbert was not just a failure as a comedian but rude. Rude is not the same as brash. It is not the same as brassy. It is not the same as gutsy or thinking outside the box. Rudeness means taking advantage of the other person's sense of decorum or tradition or civility that keeps that other person from striking back or, worse, rising in a huff and leaving. The other night, that person was George W. Bush.
Colbert made jokes about Bush's approval rating, which hovers in the middle 30s. He made jokes about Bush's intelligence, mockingly comparing it to his own. "We're not some brainiacs on nerd patrol," he said. Boy, that's funny
In this case you are playing the Richard Cohen part and Michelle Wolf is playing Steven Colbert.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)...they usually aren't
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Hekate
(90,717 posts)Sarah Huckabee Sanders is -- let me just say it as a woman of mature years with my own figure flaws -- she is as homely as a mud fence and she has almost no idea how to dress to flatter her figure, nor does she have any idea that her hairdo is more appropriate to a child than a woman of her age. Scaramucci himself called her out for her hair and makeup on national television. Before he was fired, he called in a stylist and that helped somewhat, but not a lot.
Sarah's biggest problem is not other women being mean girls, it is the nasty contemptuous expression on her face and the FACT that she is an eager and daily participant in destroying our government by the LIES she tells. She metaphorically burns FACTS to ASHES and uses them for a glamorous look. Let me extend the metaphor by asking what she uses for concealer? As in concealing the truth?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Logic isn't landing - they apparently need to vent against Michelle.
Canoe52
(2,948 posts)Perfect explanation of explanating the Facts to Ashes statement btw. Again, the metaphor is way past repug’s level of comprehension. My immediate family would be a prime example of this.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)is unclear? She didn't make a cheap shot at the makeup.
It's like you didn't even watch it.....
Because it's like you think she stood on stage and said, "SARAH HUCKABEE IS UGLY BECAUSE SHE WEARS EYELINER, ABORTION IS VERY FUNNY AND WOMEN SHOULD HAVE THEM A LOT!!!"
And you still feel entitled to lecture people that they should be OFFENDED by how 'LOW" she went, and by the way, if we don't agree with you, and you think that MLK is smart, then ergo, we don't think MLK is smart.
Waiting for you to bring that into this discussion...
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,579 posts)I 'm not following......
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)NOT ROASTED OVER MAKEUP
The joke was that she was able to get that smokey look FROM THE SMOKE FROM THE ASHES OF HER BURNING LIES.
Unclutch your right wing pearls, please.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Ollie is FURIOUS about how Michelle Wolf and how she set back the pro-choice movement by mentioning abortion...
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and trying to somehow justify Ollie's own discomfort by lecturing people on how Wolf is offending Michelle Obama, (who laughed at Larry Wilmore using the N word at the dinner in 2016...) and MARTIN LUTHER KING, who Ollie said also wants us to go high, and Ollie "thinks that MLK was a smart person." Because that means anyone who disagrees with Ollie on Wolf, CLEARLY doesn't think MLK was a smart person, then gets their panties in a wad when someone calls Ollie out on that.
Also, Wolf "set back the pro-choice movement" and "helped Trump" with her comedy routine.
I have to wonder what deep nerve Wolf hit in this "progressive" here on DU.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She turns them into "smoky eye."
Get it?
You really are all up in knots about Michelle Wolf, aren't you? You keep calling her "trump like" but ignore such jokes from men....
Something about her making jokes gets you offended, while you call Colbert a hero, and you "miss Jon Stewart"
Stewart who had a gospel choir sing "go fuck yourself"
And Colbert, your hero, is still a hero for going much, much "lower" than an eyeliner joke - by your very own standards. (You and MLK, of course...)
And yet, the pro-choice movement was not "set back" despite your claims that somehow it will be harmed, and Trump "helped" if Michelle Wolf says something about it.
But “It’s a funny word,” Colbert interjected. Going along with the applause, he continued, “It’s like guacamole.”
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Perhaps you got distracted.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Nitram
(22,822 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)are explaining to you why you should not be bent out of shape at a lady comedian who said some funny things, things men you admire have said, and often they said them with less respect than the lady comedian.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You love replying to me.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)you love replying to me
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I'm so humbled.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)i couldn't resist your double reply! 
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Like your statements on Michelle Wolf are. (Nobody heard of her before, she's setting back the pro-choice movement, etc)
You should just own that you are peeved at her, and not try to make it some sort of intellectual POV.
Your statements have been rebutted, your contradictions pointed out, your multiple rants addressed on different OPs.
You just don't like her. You really get uncomfortable and angry, and you don't need to justify it with claims that she's harming Democrats or will bring down reproductive rights, or that MLK would agree with you that she's on par with violence in the streets.
You can just admit when someone gets under your skin, and people will respect that way more than simply trying to make other people feel bad for not supporting your irritation with her.
What is it about her that seems to be a trigger for you?
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)And neither did the members of the audience who groaned and booed
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)I’ll stick with it being a pretty nice thing to say about Sarah. Smokey eyes. WTF is wrong with that?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)If Sanders was a man, she wouldn't have focused on his physical appearance
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)Especially when referring to her lies, lies and lying lies.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)women have such double standards. Hillary faced similar stuff, double standards
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)she didn’t whine about it. The media didn’t line up to defend her either. What double standard?
Both sides can dish it out, one side whines.. one side, no double standard.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Michelle Wolf made some clever jokes about how Huckabee lies, and worked the Maybelline tag and a currently popular makeup look into a statement about how Huckabee burns truth.
Attacks on HRC were not jokes.
Is that clearer?
A double standard is when you go through the roof when a woman tells political jokes, some with shock value, and you think it's fine when male comedians do the same thing on their shows.
BTW - your "hero" Colbert had this to say about Michelle's act (get ready to clutch your pearls - he tells the press to "grow a pair" )
https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-colbert-goes-off-on-the-whca-over-michelle-wolf-grow-a-pair
Also, you continue to say that "no one had heard of her" before this, when you've been corrected that she is on the Daily Show, and has apparently good enough to get her own show.
That's just persisting in a fallacy. You get more respect when you acknowledge when you are shown to be wrong.
Fla Dem
(23,693 posts)Trump; his weight, his small hands, his neckties, his HAIR, his orange fake tan. So while I personally don't agree with making fun of a person's looks, it's not just women who are on that end of the stick. They are both highly visible, controversial figures who are doing much to ruin democracy in the United states. Sometimes you get what you deserve.
Having said that, I agree with others here, that NO joke was made about SHS's looks or makeup. The political satire was about how she lies, and what she does with the ashes of the facts she burns every day.
Actual comment.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I guess you didn't even bother to listen to the actual content of the talk that you have written so many screeds against here, and on multiple OPs.
And you expect your emotional rants to be taken seriously?
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Why did you delete it?
Did it conflict with something you posted before?
Or are you beginning to understand what your rage posts concerning Michelle Wolf are revealing about you?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)It wasn't a rage post. I just changed my mind. People do that. Unless they are a lemming
I see what you are doing. You have been trolling/stalking me for dozens of posts trying to provoke me. You HOPE you are inflicting rage on me. Really, not so much. Nice try.
Try again real soon!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"respect" for Michelle Wolf set you off?
No one needs to "provoke" a rant on Michelle Wolf from you, other than post an OP saying that one agrees with her.
Women don't need to be mansplained on what is and is not "criticism of a working mom's looks" here on DU.
To mansplain to women on DU that a female spokesperson of the White House needs men like you to "protect her" from some mean female comic is demeaning, by any measure, to that spokesperson, and to the women being mansplained to.
Far more than any joke a lady comedian could make concerning eye makeup that is very popular now.
Is that clearer?
It's sad that you feel the need to delete your reply to me here on DU. This is a website for progressives.
Did you think that your post would be perceived as something else?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)OK, it is remotely possible that you simply have a reading comprehension problem.
OR, it is more likely you just are biased and you cannot refute what I have said so you have to twist it around until the new creation of yours is something you can attack. Rather disengenuous in this case.
Nobody was mansplaining anything. And nobody is trying to protect Sanders. I made the point a long time ago that I detest Sanders and all the lies she stands for. And that I am frustrated that Wolf has succeeded in doing what I had heretofore thought impossible, made Sanders a sympathetic figure. I believe in women's rights, I do not believe women should be objectified, they should not be made fun of for their weight, makeup, age, or any of that just for a punch line in a "joke"....that is demeaning towards women in general and Wolf's attempt to be funny crossed into that territory, in my view. It is true Trump has done worse, but two (or a thousand) wrongs don't make a right, even if our side is doing it.
I understand you disagree. And, for that matter, most of DU. We can all disagree. It sure would be boring if everyone agreed. But you really need to take a look at yourself and at least TRY to honestly represent what other people have to say instead of being so malicious and petty
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I think I know mansplaining when I see it. And projection.
Your description of defending Sanders as a "working mom" was so not paternally condescending.
I understand you are emotionally triggered by Wolf, and feel qualified to lecture to progressive women here on DU about being "made fun of for their weight, makeup, age, or any of that just for a punch line in a "joke, " especially when a lady comedian is doing it.
Noted.
Well, I guess I hit the mansplaining nail right on the head.
ollie10
(2,091 posts) ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You are perfectly free - despite your claims of being "silenced" - to simply not engage in a discussion. A discussion takes two, does it not? Yet you seem to be flummoxed by that, and have referred to it as being "supressed."
What issues do you have with someone replying to your posts, and pointing out where they see contradictions from previous posts, insults, mansplaining, talking about women as though being a "working mom" in a high profile job of lying for a public figure requires that men step in when "mean lady comedians" mention makeup, if indeed those opinions are based in fact?
That doesn't really indicate an openness to listening, but rather enjoying simply lecturing to the vast majority of progressives here on DU that they simply don't understand how Wolf (who you keep insisting that "no one ever heard of before this, and is simply in this for the MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!i could possibly be a "skilled" comedian (despite the fact that she is on the Daily Show, and has earned her own show somehow despite you erroneously, and continually claime "no one ever heard of her before this" ) and anyone who disagrees with you CLEARLY doesn't understand that MLK would disapprove because you do (your words) ...
Like I would say to Sarah three names, who you think needs "support" from men to do her damn job, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
And why don't you tell me what you think we "disagree" on. Your post had several insults and implied slams - I just want to be clear on which ones you were trying to shiv with. If you have the courage to own your statements, that is.
Is that clearer?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Time after time you choose not to refute me. Instead you misrepresent what I have said.
At one time I told you I didn't want to talk with you. And you just about imploded. You started hounding me, stalking me, dozens of times...over and over. No matter who I was responding to, there you were....trying to provoke me....and in the course of things you continued to misrepresent what I had said.
You are perfectly free to not engage in a discussion. And....this is a big if....if you are a polite person and not a total jerk......you could agree to disagree with someone and to go forward without hounding each other. There is no point in continuing anyhow.
So could we just make such a deal....to leave each other alone? My proposal. Your call.
Or we could go on like it is. You continue to follow me like a puppy dog and respond to every post I make on DU. I don't understand why you or anyone would want to do that. Doesn't sound like much fun. But that's what you have been doing.
So can we just end this? Most everyone who has watched this feud is probably bored to tears with it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and anyone who disagrees with you is misguided - especially on matters concerning the fairer sex.
It's clear that you don't really get what's "wrong" about your lecturing women on what is and isn't "unfair to women," and when lady comedians are out of line.
You're welcome.
Countless times you told me you didn't want to talk with me, and yet you just keep on doing it.
Why should I, or anyone take you seriously after that?
You are free, despite your protestations of being "silenced" to actually stop responding. Especially when you contradict your previous rants on that lady comedian that has triggered you with her awful non-supportive words to that poor "working mother" that you feel a need to "defend" out of some sort of "feminism" that implies the womenfolk here on DU are misguided and just don't understand what you do about makeup....
You continue to keep on following my posts like an enraged dog that discovered it hasn't peed on as many hydrants as all the other dogs and respond to every post I make on DU in an effort to remedy that. I don't understand why you or anyone would want to do that, let along any dog. Doesn't sound like much fun. But that's what you have been doing.
This is a board for progressives, and we can spot raging mansplaining a mile away.
Does that make sense to you?
You're welcome.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)You want to continue to dog me.
I pity you..
Get a grip
I offered you an alternative.
You refused to consider
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And continue to reply.
You refuse to take responsibility for your own replies, and resort to abusive namecalling in an effort to shame me for pointing out your double standards.
And you accuse others of being passive agressive?
Get a grip, and go find some compliant women to lecture to about what they should find offensive. Be sure to offer them the "solution" of not talking back, or calling out your overreaction to a lady comedian who doesn't talk like a lady.
Maybe they will think of being told to shut up if they don't agree with you as some sort of gift.
As your 'hero' Colbert told those who are clutching their pearls over a lady comedian,
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a20111820/stephen-colbert-michelle-wolf-white-house-correspondents-dinner/
“First, Michelle, let’s address your potty mouth. What the fuck was up with that? This is the Correspondents’ dinner, celebrating the freedom of speech. You can’t just say whatever you want! You don’t go to a funeral and say exactly what you thought of the person! And what is the annual Correspondents’ dinner but a funeral for the independent press?”
Look, you didn’t like it? You have that right. Don’t invite her back again. But grow a pair . . . This was a roast. And you’re the ones who hired Michelle Wolf. Being mad at her for doing her job is like accusing the valet of briefly stealing your car. And stop acting like you’re surprised! I thought newspeople did research. But you’re telling me you couldn’t spend 90 seconds on YouTube to find out what her act was like? As a great man once said, ‘Fake news.’”
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You have a real need to smear Michelle Wolf.
You are doing it on several threads, and are being schooled in several places.
What is your real issue?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)And you threw a fit, dozens and dozens of posts. Stalking.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)If that's stalking, then you are doing the same on several OPs about Michelle Wolf.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)I made it clear I didn't want to talk with you.
Not much different from a girl friend telling her boy friend she doesn't want to see him or talk to him any more. And he keeps on calling, over and over, dozens of times....never bugs out.
Now if you want to keep on replying to me I can't stop you. But I think it would be more productive to talk to someone else who has the desire to interact with you.
bye
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You are making it clear that you want to engage with me by replying to my posts.
Trolling is not much from a girl friend telling her boy friend she doesn't want to see him or talk to him any more. And he keeps on calling, over and over, dozens of times....never bugs out.
Now if you want to keep on replying to me I can't stop you. But I think it would be more productive to post somewhere else with people who you have no wish to disrupt or annoy.
See you soon.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)they believe that the victim actually wants their advances.....
I don't.
So I guess I will have to go back to ignoring you. Enjoy your day stalker
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)Last time I checked, it's not beyond her control. It's her choice, like choosing a brand of peanut butter.
Besides, all Wolf said was it's "perfect."
ollie10
(2,091 posts)misanthrope
(7,418 posts)Particularly what Egyptians used to make their oft-depicted eye makeup.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)you don't say.....
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)I know it must be exhausting.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)while simultaneously mansplaining make-up.
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)worn make-up, applied it, known/lived with women who use it on a daily basis or listened to women talk about it (especially in less than kind ways).
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)I sure didnt, i had to be splained it.
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)drag queens we know and other friends who make a living in hair and make-up talk about it in addition to seeing it in media in the past.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)But i knew it was not likely an insult because she said "perfect" smoky eye. I think ollie grabbed a shovel and when informed he was digging in a swamp just kept digging. I know just enough to ask (sometimes) before i start digging.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)are comics ever sarcastic?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts) A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)
Sid
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What is your problem with Michelle Wolf, that you don't have with Colbert and Stewart?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)this is absurd. you are trying to say I am attacking Wolf because she is a woman. That is ludicrous. That is equally absurd as saying Wolf is attacking Huckabee Saanders because she is a woman.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You are attacking Wolf for things that Jon Steward and Colbert do - and worse.
Yet you don't go all over DU trying to get pick arguments with people about how they are "trumplike" "setting back the pro-choice movement"
Claiming that's not a double standard is what is absurd.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts) ehrnst
(32,640 posts)This is being cast as an attack on Huckabee Sanders' appearance, when in fact it's a makeup brand reference, as any casual reader of a woman’s magazine understands.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a20102293/whcd-michelle-wolf-sarah-huckabee-sanders/
Sanders is in politics. She doesn't need you or her daddy to worry about people talking about mean about the lies she tells.
Since you are so fond of calling anyone who disagrees with you on this "immature" and "grade school" if you want to pick Sanders as your foursquare buddy at recess, that would be a nice gesture.
Anyone pulling the "Sarah is a wife and mother" crap is exhibiting their own sexism. She is being taken to task for her role as the WH liar. Also, does that mean it would be OK for a woman who is unmarried and childless?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)working mothers.
What is triggering Ollie so badly?
mcar
(42,334 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Clearly women "don't get it" about makeup like you do.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)What I am saying is I don't care about makeup. I will further argue that people should be judged by the strengths of their character, not what is on their skin
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)on the topic.
Or maybe you wear makeup?
I don't want to assume anything about a DU poster, male or female....
or gender fluid.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)as though a working mother can't be expected to take the heat from a high profile job that she chose, and wasn't thrust into unwillingly?
Go have a diet coke with Paul Ryan and Mike Pence.
This is DU.
Is that clearer?
(did the gender fluid comment trigger you like a lady comedian saying "unladylike" things did? If so, DU really isn't the place for you. This is a forum for progressives.)
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Your outsized reaction is noted.
ehrnst
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I haven't heard her comment at all on Wolf. Perhaps you can share your source?
She clearly wasn't hobbled enough by the mean lady comic's comments on her lying by way of attacking her unforgivably on her eye makeup that she couldn't come out and lie to reporters yesterday about how the WH seizing POTUS' medical records from his physician was a standard operating procedure.
She was also bravely sporting her smokey eye makeup.
Interesting how you feel authorized to speak for her, and splain "her side," for her. It's not like she's a communications professional that can speak for herself as well as lie for the administration.
You seem to feel a need to educate gals here on DU who just don't understand how a "working mother" needs defending from a lady comic talking about eyemakeup, like you and CPAC are so bravely, manly and authoritatively doing.
Proceed.
dogknob
(2,431 posts)They used to be pretty common, but these days, when one occasionally strikes the planet, many folks expect aliens to pop out of the crater or something. Metaphors are relatively harmless, however.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)....it's not bullying, it is a metaphor@
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You jump through hoops to accuse her of:
-Helping Trump
-Setting back the pro-choice movement
- Distracting from Huckabee lying, by making a joke about where she gets her "perfectly" done eyeliner (burnt facts)
- Disrespecting MLK's admonition to non-violence with her comedy
- Disrespecting Michelle Obama's advice to college students about dealing gracefully with personal experiences of discrimiation with her comedy
-Profiting off this, because "no one heard of her before," and now she gets publicity for her new show that she somehow got from being "unheard of."
And your favorites are Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert.....
Am I missing anything?
The only people that seem to hate her more are Right Wingers. This goes way, way beyond, "I thought it was in bad taste" to her "damaging the country" with her one routine.
Did Larry Wilmore do half as much in your opinion, when he called President Obama the N word at this dinner in 2016? Michelle and Barack laughed, BTW, and Barack gave him a hug right after that.
You seem to have some very, very different standards for some comedians. I never heard of a comedian with the sheer destructive power that you bestow on Wolf, since at least the Salem Witch trials. Or some of the comments that I've heard about Hillary..
What is your special issue with Wolf?
Exotica
(1,461 posts)
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And feels qualified to lecture women on the topic.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)And she actually said it was a "perfect smokey eye."
Then she goes on to say that that NOT NEGATIVE appearance description comes from lies. See, she's not attacking her appearance (actually complimenting it) and then attacking her LIES. Sorry if that was too hard for you to grasp, but it was fucking brilliant as far as satire goes.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)She said that Sanders “burns facts” and “uses the ashes to create” her signature smoky eye makeup
As I have asked before....you guys should go to women out there and tell them their eyes look like they used ashes to create their makeup.....
Report back. How many women think that is a compliment?
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)That's a compliment. If you told a woman she did a perfect smoky eye, none should be offended.
Then she said that she created that "perfect smoky eye" with the ashes from her burned facts. THAT had NOTHING to do with her looks but with what she does in her job. Which is true.
But, hey, you can call in to Fox and Friends and commiserate about how horrible Wolf was.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)But telling her it is made from ashes....nothing perfect about that.
You are bending yourself into a pretzel to explain away the obvious.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)1. She complimented her make up. She said only positive things about her looks.
2. THEN she took on the fact that she constantly lies while doing her job.
2 does NOT contradict what is said in 1. She didn't say she was ugly or fat or bad at makeup or ANYTHING negative relating to her appearance. The only thing negative she said was that she burned the facts and told lies.
Sorry you can't appreciate damn near perfect satire when it is handed to you. I have no doubt that Twain, Thompson, and any other satirist wouldn't love that line. It was incredibly well written.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)She went after the media as much as she did the Trump administration.
But that's really the standard you are setting as to whether she was good? A room full of people that she is attacking didn't like it? Why not just ask "Why do Fox and Friends not think it was funny?"
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Her lies are fair game. Quite frankly dissing her lies should be enough. Without the need to reference her makeup. And, be real, it is disingenuous to pretend she wasn't referencing her makeup......
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)What don't you understand about that? She complimented here make up. She said NOTHING negative about her appearance.
That she went at the lies after a compliment about her makeup is pretty damned skillful satire.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You really are reacting strangely to this for a progressive.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Tue May 1, 2018, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)
He told those offended by her to "grow a pair."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-colbert-goes-off-on-the-whca-over-michelle-wolf-grow-a-pair
People booed him at his speech at the dinner.
Next strawman.....
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And your argument falls apart. You’re denying “perfect” now? HA.
ehrnst
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Tanuki
(14,919 posts)
As others have pointed out, this is not an insult, and HSH was being called out for her habitual lying, not her appearance.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)e.l.f. Liquid Eyeliner, Ash, 2 Ounce (Pack of 6)
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You're welcome.
Hekate
(90,717 posts) ollie10
(2,091 posts)Hekate
(90,717 posts)Ollie10, look in a mirror for the clue you seek.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts) Caliman73
(11,740 posts)There is a difference. If a bunch of women are telling you that the joke was not offensive to women... believe them.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Caliman73
(11,740 posts)being corrected often feels like you are being insulted or attacked. I grant that some people are making it personal. Likely it is out of frustration that you seem to be missing the point that mostly many women on the site are making.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And they have made far more offensive jokes - Putin's Cockholster and the 2004 Democratic Convention "godless sodomites and abortions for everyone! ".
You can't abide by a woman doing the same, can you?
Just own it.
But that means you can't go rage on a different OP when you get schooled for the 4th time.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)misrepresented me. So, I am not going to engage with you, except to remind you that I don't want to discuss with you. How many times, since I politely asked not to engage, have you repeatedly tried to hound me, and of course continue to misrepresent? It has been dozens! This is stalkiing. Find someone else to talk to, please.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Michelle Wolf.
That is called trolling.
If you don't want to "engage" with people who point out the flaws in your argument, why are you posting all over DU on dozens of Michelle Wolf OPs?
I have politely pointed out that you are the one who is trying to disrupt any discussion of Michelle Wolf, and you continue - posting the very same rants on various pages, using the same misrepresentations of Wolf's statements, even after you have been corrected.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)it is not that you disagree with me....it is that you have misrepresented what I have said. That is something you have continued to do in your dozens and dozens of stalk posts.
There is simply no point in discussing with you. The irony is you attack Sanders' lies, but you just can't tell the truth about me. Ironic, isn't it?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That is something you have continued to do in your dozens and dozens of trolling posts, including on my own OP.
The irony is that you keep on replying to me after you repeatedly say that you are "done discussing" this with me.
Ironic, isn't it?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)It is not a noble thing to be a troll or a stalker. But you deliberately followed me, dozens of times, trying to provoke me.
As I told you yesterday, I see no point in discussing issues with you. I will only point out that I don't want to discuss issues with you because you constantly misrepresent what I have had to say.
If you don't want me to point out your misrepresentations or your stalking, then by all means, stop doing it
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It is not a noble thing to be a troll or a stalker. But you deliberately followed OPs, including mine, dozens of times, trying to provoke people who like Michelle Wolf.
I have not misrepresented your posts. You simply deny what you said, and move the goalpost.
If you don't want me, and others to point out your misrepresentations, double standards, or your trolling, then by all means, stop doing it.
If you don't, you may lose the ability to post at all.
Exotica
(1,461 posts) ollie10
(2,091 posts)good for you! now if you could demonstrate behavior that was a bit more mature.....
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)yet find solace in every single rightwing poutrage of the day against us could muster up the strength of outrage to apply the same level of dismay when Republicans say things like:
Or
Or
Or
I mean really, do you go to such great lengths on him???
Fuck Sanders, fuck her smoky lyin' eyes, and Good for Michelle! When the right-wing and their Nazi Jesus toupee'd leader gets their shit straight, and stops with the attacks, I'll be happy to join you in your righteous outrage.. until then.. fuck em all.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Huckabee Sanders spreads Trump's lies like manure.
They should be fought. But we gotta fight smart. Turning attention away from Sanders' lies and to her makeup was agonizingly ineffective.
On abortion: " "He thinks abortion is murder which, first of all, don't knock it 'til you try it — and when you do try it, really knock it. You know, you've got to get that baby out of there."
Sorry, but there is a reason this was met with groans.
Add to that the wish that a tree fall on Kellyanne Conway. Is that supposed to be funny? I hate Kellyanne. But still....if donald trump said a similar thing about a journalist....you would not be thinking it is funny!
But I think Wolf's stuff was more for shock value than anything else. Some of the stuff was met with boos and groans. Not much applause at all.
But she did what she set out to do. She used shock value to make herself the talk of the town. Now she will be the subject of conversaton for the next week or so and she will make tons of money from her new show.
All it takes is a few lame jokes, some cheap shots, and an unhealthy measure of shock value.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You said that Jon Stewart and Colbert are favorites.
"Trump is Putin's cockholster"
Jon Stewart gets a gospel choir to sing "go fuck yourself"
The Daily Show opened it's 2004 Democratic Convention week episodes with: "abortions for everyone!"
And you hammer away on Michelle Wolf like she's a single woman with medicinal herbs in 17th century Salem, Massachusetts.
What is it about her in particular that you rage is so "damaging" and "Trumplike" and "sets back the pro-choice movement" while Stewart and Colbert and the Daily Show remain favorites?
She's a woman.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...are attacking a woman who tells Truth to Power.
You've long since managed to spin spin spin yourself into a hole in the ground. Why not pull it in after yourself and give it a rest? (That's another of them there metaphors, not a literal suggestion.)
ollie10
(2,091 posts)There are a couple of factoids you seem to miss. 1) Sanders is a woman too....and making personal attacks with strong hints at her makeup is something the entire DU community would attack if the president was a Democrat and the press secretary was a working mother....2) the hints at ageism and the idea that women have a shelf life based on looks and age would be denounced with fury instead of laughing along with references to The Handmaid's Tale.
I am not attacking Wolf on a personal level. I am resisting the piling on when she personally attacked and humiliated a working mother.
Who happens to be a Republican (which I disagree with) and a subordinate of the person who has the power, Trump (whom I hate)
We are upset when Republicans won't criticize the excesses of Trump....we say they have drunk the Koolaid, etc. We should be better. We can be better. We don''t have to march, like lemmings, whenever someone throws us red meat to make us feel good and channel our hate
You live by an eye for an eye, everyone will be blind
Hekate
(90,717 posts)Bada-bing
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Being mean to a poor working woman who just can't hack being a communications director because criticism!
You know, according to Ollie, women in politics should be shielded from such vagaries.
I guess because "women and mothers" just can't take that kind of treatment from a comedian.
Such regard for women, there.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...were never ever commented upon, much less mocked pitilessly. Nor her age, wrinkles, marriage, daughter, speaking fees, campaign travel schedule...
. Nosirree Bob, those goppers are the soul of chivalry when it comes to wimmenz, and so are all progressives.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"I am not attacking Wolf on a personal level."
You have continually - you say that she is "trumplike" that "she set back the pro-choice movement" and that she "helped trump," and that she went "so low" as to cause you to compare yourself with MLK, and anyone who didn't agree with you as not agreeing with him.
"I am resisting the piling on when she personally attacked and humiliated a working mother."
She is the communications director for POTUS. She repeats his lies in public to the press, and lies herself.
Are you saying that women and mothers can't hack political office?
Really?
You think she needs you and her daddy to tell everyone to stop being so "mean?"
That's the opposite of feminist - which isn't surprising given your trashing of Wolf for talking like a male comedian would.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Would you be less offended if she didn't have children?
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...a really scary mommy, and I feel the same way about KellyAnne Conway. Any kid getting in their bad graces will find themselves skewered with those hateful expressions and talked to death in an endless stream (or scream) of gibberish.
mcar
(42,334 posts)
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"being trumplike" "helping Trump" "nobody heard of her before," "saying anything to get money, money, money" "setting back the pro-choice movement," "attacking down a working mother," that you tried to defend your rage at Wolf by trying to convince it was about "standing up for a working mother," after several of your other attacks had been shot down as either non-factual, contradictory, or just plain not getting a joke.
By the way, Michelle Wolf is a working mother, too. And since you keep proclaiming that "nobody heard of her before this" that you didn't know that this "money grubber" as you described her is also in your 'victim' category.
Feel good about that "little factoid you missed," as you so condescendingly shot at poster who had actually not missed a thing.
You dehumanized working mothers when you seemed to think that SHS needed you to scold everyone, because she's "a working mother" as if she is defined by her offspring, and because of those offspring, she really can't function in a high powered, public job, lying for a POTUS, if someone points out what she's doing.
That shows more disrespect for Huckabee than any comedian - male or female, or anyone here on DU. Not to mention it's slap in the face of working mothers who have to deal with that sort of paternal "concern" for their feelings by men who don't think they can handle it.
That's the kind of casual sexism that Paul Ryan and Mike Pence are known for. Is that the "tribe" you really want to align with?
You may want to find another place to post than DU, if that's how you justify your outsized anger at a lady comic who said some things you don't think are ladylike.
I can't imagine what a woman who lives with you must experience.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)where I pointed out, several times, actually that I dislike Sanders immensely.
And I pointed out I am frustrated that she has become a sympathetic figure as a result of the monologue.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)and I doubt she washes those lies off at night. They look like they have piled up for an eternity, even though it's only been15 months.
She only got sympathy because they thought that Michelle said "fat." For clarity, Michelle Wolf should have said "truth" and then everyone would have gotten the punchline.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)You're right: Sarah Slanders never washes those sins of hers away.
Smdh.
And fuck Sanders. She is a piece of fucking shit. I know or have seen nobody remotely close to my age who gives a flying fucktoss about the comic or her perceived meanness to that lying rotter.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)congratulations! perfect!
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...after typing all that 
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and intellectual arguments from reflexive rage while triggered.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Because that was the joke, see?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)I dislike her immensely. Yes, she lies and makes excuses, and obfiscates.....which is what one would expect of a spokesperson for the biggest liar among politicians, ever...
That is partly why I find it sad that she could be made more sympathetic by a comic routine
Hekate
(90,717 posts)Sarah Slanders is no victim at this time of her life. Whatever happened to her within her weird family in childhood, she has definitely found her niche as an adult firmly on the side of the abusers and the oppressors.
Why you defend her and attack the voice of one of the oppressed is a mystery to all of us, but you can stop anytime unless you are addicted to outrage -- or something else is going on.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)called it an "electoral strategy" "trumplike" and "setting back the pro-choice movement?"
You endow Wolf with as much power as Salem endowed Goody Proctor.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)Male/female doesn't matter..a lying fraud
ollie10
(2,091 posts)However drawing attention to her makeup distracts attention away from her lies
Geez. Making fun of physical appearance is so grade school. You call it funny? So does a bully.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You call it funny? So does a bully.
And a few other types.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)Bash,smash crash the god damn liar
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Does distracting attention to the eye shadow make the critique of her lies more effective? No. It makes it less effective.
People make mistakes. It doesn't mean Wolf is a bad person. It simply was not as effective to do an end run around her physical appearance. What she would up doing is making Huckabee Sanders sympathized with.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Are you backpedaling now that many, many people are talking sense to you?
"Perfect smoky eye" is not an insult, no matter how much you need it to be to justify your outsized discomfort with Wolf. Now you have dialed it back to "it made people sympathize with Huckabee."
She was funny, she didn't destroy progressive causes, and no one sympathizes with Huckabee that didn't on Saturday before the dinner.
Do you get your knickers in a knot over the way SNL portrays conservative women?
Hekate
(90,717 posts)..."for that perfect smoky eye." The comedian used an exact quote from the advertisers. Take it up with them, why don't you?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Hekate
(90,717 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)cheap, because Maybelline makeup is inexpensive.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)There is a name for people who pick fights with multiple OPs on the same topic.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Tue May 1, 2018, 04:42 PM - Edit history (2)
And Asshole?
And condescendingly tried to shame a female DU poster for using the F word?
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...had been carrying more Tiki-torches, that driver might not have hit that woman, kind of thing.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Simply acknowledging that she is not a bad person, and that my beef is largely with tactics
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The joke wasn't funny. Any more than a dead baby joke is funny.
As an electoral strategy it is even worse.
We have made great electoral gains in the past year. Didn't do it by acting like an asshole.
Your misrepresentation of your actual descriptions of Wolf here on DU are noted.(See what I did there?)
And I see you've learned how to and you have learned to flame and hurl personal insults like "Bullshit,"
good for you! now if you could demonstrate behavior that was a bit more mature.....
Remember that next time you try to condescendingly mansplain' and insult a female DU'er for using language like you do.
Derisive sexist treatment of women is so unattractive in a man, and it tends to make one's time short here at DU.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Derisive sexist treatment of women? You mean objecting when a poster (who I didn't know whether male or female) started directing the f word at me?
LuvLoogie
(7,014 posts)ers' updated look. Now everytime Sanders comes out with the Smokey Eye, people will zero in on her lies.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)I hate to pile on. But seriously, can you not separate metaphor from reality?
1. She did not mention her physical appearance other than to say she wore the "perfect smokey eye". Any reference to her appearance from her makeup was positive.
At least be clear that you're main critique is NOT her being ridiculed for her looks, but, from reading your followup posts, for the idea that Wolf suggested that Sarah, or any women, would be so insane?, cheap?, dumb? to actually use ash as part of her make up routine. I mean, even IF it looked "perfect", and no one could tell, who would do that right?
Answer: no one would, at least as raw eye shadow. That is the first clue for you that it is a METAPHOR and not an actual accusation of what ingredients she smears on her face.
Like she could have said she balls up her daily lies on paper into little balls and strings them together and wears it as her oft worn pearl necklace. But maybe even that is too harsh an attack on her appearance (even if she says it looked perfect).
2. "away from her lies"? She actually says "But she burns facts and then she uses that ash to create a perfect smokey eye. Like maybe she’s born with it, maybe it’s lies. It’s probably lies."
3. Just for your own education on make up ingredients. Its been used from ancient Rome until the present day:
http://www.ancient-origins.net/history/swans-fat-crocodile-dung-and-ashes-snails-achieving-beauty-ancient-rome-003240
The eyes were accentuated by the use of kohl, a blackening substance made from ashes or soot, mostly, brought to the Romans by the Egyptians and still used in Turkey today. It was applied like modern day eyeliner is, just under and above the eyes to bring out their natural color according to Ovid.
And using it as a beauty product is all the rage in Asia
https://www.rd.com/health/beauty/volcanic-ash-mask/
...the latest trend is using volcanic ash products to help clear the pores once and for all.
With the name “volcanic ash,” it definitely sounds like it’s a product that would do some serious fighting against our clogged pores and get the job done. It claims to do just that, but is really much simpler and doesn’t work nearly as harshly as the name implies. “Volcanic ash is basically like clay, so similarly it is very good at removing oils, dirt and debris from the skin. Volcanic ash is mineral rich minerals including sulfur which has antibacterial properties,” says Sejal Shah, MD and founder of Smarter Skin Dermatology in New York City.
Aren't you just insulting all those women that use ash as an ingredient on their own faces as part of their makeup routine?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Can't you write a joke that just talks about the lies and how stupid they are?
I simply don't believe she didn't mean this an underhanded slap in the face so to speak. Metaphorically speaking.
And the tree? What was the point of that?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)she said she used the ashes as a "perfect smokey eye" around them.
But you also made clear in your later posts, in a pivot after it was made clear that she did not criticize her looks, that it was more about the fact that it was implied that she'd actually use ashes as makeup. And that is just ewwwww.
What is it about the organ of the eye that is so sacrosanct to you that it cannot be used in a joke? If she said she uses the blood of Syrian refugees dying overseas because of her bosses Muslim ban, for lipstick, would that be taken as being about criticizing her looks so much that you couldn't even move past that and take it more as a metaphoric critique of Trumps policies? Even if she insisted that she looked good in spite of the ingredients?
If you are implying that she should have stuck to SHS's actual lies. Listed them out and gone over them one by one, instead of a general attack on the act of lying itself, I think that would have been good. I'd watch it. But her gig was only so long, and she wanted to roast others as well.
And the tree? Now you are talking about her addressing Kelly Anne Conway. I thought this was about SHS. And that had nothing to do with makeup or appearance. I'm not sure why you brought that up. And the thought of KAC stuck under a fallen tree and not being able to get to CNN for yet another chance to spin her bullshit was a pleasant thought to me.
"I simply don't believe she didn't mean this an underhanded slap in the face so to speak. Metaphorically speaking. "
Not sure if you understand just what you agreed to there but.. EXACTLY!
ollie10
(2,091 posts)So much so that people have been trying to deny that Wolf had said anything about her eyes.
I see a lot of irony in that.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)This is being cast as an attack on Huckabee Sanders' appearance, when in fact it's a makeup brand reference, as any casual reader of a woman’s magazine understands.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a20102293/whcd-michelle-wolf-sarah-huckabee-sanders/
You're welcome.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)Couldn't be more obvious.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)if you cannot refute me, just call me a name, call me a republican, whatever.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)If you like a male comedian who does it, but get outraged at a female comedian doing the same thing, that's called a double standard.
And that's Bullshit.
You've been refuted on several OPs. You just find another and start all over again. That's also referred to as trolling.
Is that clearer?
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)She didn't lie.
SHS lies for a traitor scumbag every single day.
And for the record - she LITERALLY COMPLIMENTED SHS on her eye liner.
Are you really that much for that scumbag that you came here to try and paint a compliment as a bad thing?
Have you ever worked a day in your life as a women in corporate America? Seriously - we compliment each other. I don't what this fantasy land is of 'fa la la la' -
but that's reality.
Deal with it or stay on the swing set.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)1) I don't like Huckabee Sanders AT ALL
2) It is frustrating to see a comic be so unskilled that Sanders becomes sympathized with
3) I see your style.....you try to personally insult ME as if I play on a swing set....so mature on your part
4) I see you actually literally think that saying someone's makeup looks like ashes of burned lies is a compliment.....wow, just wow....and I suppose you think you are complimenting her by calling her a scumbag.....
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Oh RIGHT - you said "nobody had heard of her before."
Clearly, you're an authority on "skilled comedians."
And you, who complained that someone ELSE was being "so grade school" are now ranting about someone "insulting YOU as if you were playing on a swing set?"
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)is tolerated I dont know.
procon
(15,805 posts)Physical appearance is stuff that you're born with and things you can't change.
Makeup, as most of us already know, is stuff you buy and slop on your face, hoping to look beautiful.
You can't stitch these two things together because she has no choice in the first instance, but in the second it was entirely her own choice. In Sander's case she wasn't born with Halloween raccoon eyes, it was her own decision to purchase the goth makeup and she troweled it on. She failed makeup 101, which has nothing to do with her BMI.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)No, they were not born with their clothes on. It was their own decision (or perhaps their parent's) to wear those clothes. Maybe it was all they could afford. So they failed dressing 101. So being bullied at school and made fun of is a perfectly hilarious thing! HA! HA!
When you are a pre-adolescent you make fun of girls who don't wear make up the right way. Then, by the time you reach Michelle Wolf's age, you have usually outgrown this rather embarrassing habit......
So what we had Saturday night was a grown up woman acting that way
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...another essayist on this nonsense. No, this is not bullying. Sarah is, by nature of her position, one of the most powerful women in the country, and she works for the most powerful man in the country. She chooses to be a brazen and destructive liar. She bullies those who disagree with her, just as her boss does.
Get this straight. Sarah Huckabee Sanders is herself a bully. And a liar. She is not being bullied.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Instead of bringing this crap about eye shadow into it?
Hekate
(90,717 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)That's for starters.
In my opinion, and I have a right to one last I checked, Wolf's tirade will serve to help Trump and Sanders, not hurt them. It will also give the anti-abortion industry some talking points, which is the last thing we need to give them. What Trump has done is wrong....not because he is a Republican, but because the way he treats people is wrong, period. If we act the same way, even if it is a little less wrong, it is still wrong. As much as I dislike Huckabee Sanders, I really don't know why she didn't walk out of the room the way she was treated. That is my opinion, coming from someone who is probably more liberal than most of the people here if anything. I can only imagine how it went over among the independents and moderates out there who don't like Trump because he is too shrill, and then see the other side being shrill too.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)Sincerely yours,
H
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Yes, I have concern.
Because if we screw up....Trump wins again.
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...like an overturned anthill. Not a real anthill -- I'm using a common metaphor.
Oh, and just a reminder: Hillary Clinton beat the Trojan Horse -- more citizens voted for HER than for him, and it took a massive, massive co-ordinated national and international conspiracy to keep her from the White House.
You cool with that?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)But I feel we should have won WI, MI and PA. Mistakes were made. If a mistake costs you even 1 point in a handful of states , it can throw the election
Hekate
(90,717 posts)ollie10
(2,091 posts)No mistakes. Ever. Perfection!
That's why Trump gets tax payer dollars to do his golfing
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...metaphorically or otherwise.
Th-th-th-that's all, folks! (A cultural reference from a 1950s cartoon. See, I try to make things easy for you to understand.)
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That's a new one.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)and move on?
It appears you are a man, but it's been explained to you over and over and over that smokey eye makeup is a common look and Fuckabee wasn't being insulted over wearing it. You really need to move on.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)it is not the smokey eye that is the issue, it is the entire concept that she brought up her makeup in the first place. If she were a man, I doubt if she would be grousing over appearance issues like that. But Sanders is a woman, and instead of simply calling her out on her lies, she couldn't resist taking a cheap shot. Unfortunately, about the only thing Wold did was make Huckabee Sanders more sympathetic
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)She was not insulting her because she uses smokey eye makeup.
She was insulting her for being the piece of shit anti-American liar that she is.
Multiple posters have told you this multiple times yet you insist on being a broken record. For some reason.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)is that it?
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)in a clear and rational manner.
Despite multiple requests, you have not done this once today, despite your intense focus on Fuckabee's eyes.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)I didn't feel the need to throw the F word into the equation or do the personal insult thingie
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)her being called Fuckabee either?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)But calling someone names, especially stuff with F word in it, it just makes you sound immature and lame. How old are you?
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)Fuckabee. You?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)I only said I was older than your pal Sarah Fuckabee Slanders.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)She isn't that old, so being older than her isn't sayin' much.
I suspect you are younger than me because you see things in black and white and like to do that petty name calling use the F word because you still think it is kool thingie.....Grownups don't think the F word particularly grown up. Also you jumped to conclusions about me being a R, liking huckabee sanders and stuff like that. As you get older, you realize you can't always put people in a box
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)of the day from you! Well done! It's been a fuckin' pleasure. 
ollie10
(2,091 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)and go dancing. Except in my case it will be from Ulta, not from the ashes of burned facts!
ollie10
(2,091 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Hekate
(90,717 posts)My observation is that he has the leisure time to make dozens and dozens of posts in thread after thread after thread, and if one of his arguments is run to ground he twists the words in another direction. He is vigorously defending a Liar against a Truthful Satirist. A lot of people at DU are chiming in to disagree -- it is a tremendous source of distraction here, and unproductive.
Myohmyohmy, I wonder why.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Is that why you are so angry with people here on DU?
They got it and you didn't?
procon
(15,805 posts)Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a 35 year old adult, not a pigtailed schoolgirl, yeah?
Don't even try to excuse her comically amateurish makeup choices. A better argument could be made if you lamented her poor fashion sense because some people are just bad at it. Clearly, she's all that, but as press secretary to the President she makes $172,200 and what we had Saturday night was a grown woman who can certainly afford to (and should) hire a professional stylist to avoid being laughed at for thinking she looks good with her face tarted up like a cartoon Panda.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)When she stops fucking lying and covering for worst, most destructive administration in American history. Got it?
ollie10
(2,091 posts)I don't know how to tell you this....but that is not good for our side.
Friends like these we don't need enemies
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)What is your agenda?
Hekate
(90,717 posts)...is appreciated and duly noted.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)Other than a few pearl clutchers and those who've just stuck their heads out from under a rock for the first time since 2016 are not sympathetic to the serial liar. One reaps what one sows.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)when Jon Stewart (who you 'miss') opening every show the week of the 2004 Democratic convention with "godless sodomites and abortions for everyone!" didn't.
I'm not misrepresenting what you said, and you keep evading answering.
You are getting a big kick out of trollling people who approve of Michelle Wolf.
The consequences are that people are going to call you out on what you wrote.
Are you afraid, ashamed or just unable to answer this question?
treestar
(82,383 posts)regarding the choices he makes. Did you ever see the makeover video someone did?
niyad
(113,370 posts)GMTA!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She's got some DU'ers clutching their pearls, and invoking Michelle Obama and MLK about how this totally violates what they trying to say about violence.
Or something.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)haele
(12,660 posts)They're going directly to the "lookism" argument, suggesting that a backhanded complement about a desired eye shadow effect is an insult to Ms. Sander's personal appearance.
Which suggests to me that as they obviously already find Ms. Sander's looks off-putting, they go directly to "the comments are an attack on her ugliness" rather than a comment about how Ms. Sanders can use her lies to create an effect.
I took the comment as an observation on the effects of the way Ms. Sanders lies constantly for her boss. The criticism was a rather clever play on a commercial ad.
But that may be because I'm a fat, happily grumpy old woman secure enough in my talents and work ethics that I know shallow people should stay in the kiddie pool if they live to be insulted about everything.
Whenever I comment on her looks, I always point out it looks as if she were often hit in the jaw or on the side of her forehead with some form of stick or heavy object as a child, perhaps from one of the psychopathic brothers. My mom has a similar curious dent above her brow line from when her brother hit her hard with a Coke bottle when he was 11 and she was 7, though not as obvious as Ms. Sanders.
And that it's pretty obvious Ms. Sanders stress-eats - and has a staff that doesn't like her very much. And that's usually as far as I go.
Haele
I think they are trying to create menace where there is none.
snort
(2,334 posts)either way she would still be an ugly pile of shit.
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)I guess you're a bully too because you took a shot at a woman who is daughter of a former Arkansas governor and serves as White House Press Secretary. You are fully exploiting your power over her.
haele
(12,660 posts)That means I sit at the right hand of God and the left hand of the Devil to direct the affairs of the mere mortals below me...
Punching up is not the same as punching down. Funny, I remember a time when we used to hold those who spoke truth to power up as admirable people, even if they might not be as couth and politically accommodating as we might want them to be.
And in Ms. Wolf's position at that dinner, I'd probably be just as couth and politically accommodating as she was. I may not agree with all he did, but I certainly do agree President Truman's two major dictates - "The Buck Stops Here" , and "I tell them the Truth, and they think it's Hell"...
Seems the White House Press Corps need to take a good, hard look at what they're doing. They aren't the White House PR firm...
Haele
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)There's a good scene in the 1990s feature film "The Paper" where Robert Duvall plays a salty old editor talking to a younger colleague. He's talking about being with a group of foreign correspondents years past who got metaphorically drunk on their proximity to the more famous and powerful folks they were supposed to be covering.
They head to the most expensive restaurant in Grenoble, France to celebrate on their respective companies' expense accounts. Then a $9,000 check is placed by the waiter. They panic and are scrambling trying to scrape it together, possibly going to Western Union to get money cabled.
"Just when it was getting really embarrassing, this funny looking little old guy calls the maitre'd over," Duvall's character said. "He draws a couple of squiggly lines on a napkin, signed his name, winked at us and that was that. The old guy was Pablo Picasso and that napkin paid our bill."
"I'm not sure I caught the segue way," the younger colleague said.
"Well, the people we cover, we move in their world but it is their world. You can't live like that. You'll never keep up," Duvall replied. "If you try to make this job about the money, you'll be miserable because we don't get the money. Never have, never will."
WH correspondents make more money than some guy at a local paper covering city hall but they're susceptible to the same pitfalls. Powerful people get to know them by name as do people on the street. They think there's more to it than there is.
Both of those groups know those journalists because they want something from them. People on the street want information. Politicos want complicity and p.r.
It's not about the reporter. They're just in the flow of needs and after them, it will be someone else. But their responsibility is to the people, not the powerful.
Gothmog
(145,343 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)That's what made the event so shocking and offensive, right? NOW I get it!!!
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Look into what past host have said. You know, the men. Ms Wolf stood in front of her roasties, didn't hide in the toilet at 7 am on twitter. And honestly if sara had laughed like most non fundy christian tight asses would. This might not be as big a story.
grumpyduck
(6,240 posts)she is a COMEDIAN hired by the WHCD people to do a ROAST. That's what she did. But now we have to explain jokes to people who don't get them and are therefore offended.
Don't like her material? Fine. Don't watch her again. You have that choice.
Love her material? Fine. Watch her again. You have that choice too.
But it's okay: that's the controversy du jour. That's what people are upset about today. Tomorrow something else will come up, this will be forgotten, and people who need to be offended will have something else to get offended over.
That's the new America.
dameatball
(7,399 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)Also if you hate it because it did not strike you as funny. But to suggest that Wolf was unfairly attacking SHS as a woman when she basically complemented her eye shadow (nice look) is a bit of a stretch. I mean she said the President was a pussy and Paul Ryan had no balls. And Ted Kennedy was a killer. normally those types of remarks would get her the manhater award. The eyeshadow comment was pretty tame even if you think it was an attack on her appearance, and I don't.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)breastfeeding a pitbull covered in corn flakes?
That is the question.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)She's beautiful, smart, funny and talented.
What's not to like?!