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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 04:23 PM Apr 2018

BREAKING : John Kelly calls Trump "idiot".





Kelly thinks he's saving U.S. from disaster, calls Trump 'idiot,' say White House staffers

Some current and former officials said they expect Kelly to leave by July, and that Trump and Kelly seem to have tired of each other.

by Carol E. Lee, Courtney Kube, Kristen Welker and Stephanie Ruhle / Apr.30.2018 / 3:14 PM ET

WASHINGTON — White House chief of staff John Kelly has eroded morale in the West Wing in recent months with comments to aides that include insulting the president's intelligence and casting himself as the savior of the country, according to eight current and former White House officials.

The officials said Kelly portrays himself to Trump administration aides as the lone bulwark against catastrophe, curbing the erratic urges of a president who has a questionable grasp on policy issues and the functions of government. He has referred to Trump as "an idiot" multiple times to underscore his point, according to four officials who say they've witnessed the comments.

Three White House spokespeople said they don't believe it's accurate that Kelly called the president an "idiot," adding that none of them has ever heard him do that or otherwise use that word.

Officials said Kelly's public image as a retired four-star general instilling discipline on a chaotic White House and an impulsive president belies what they describe as the undisciplined and indiscreet approach he's employed as chief of staff. The private manner aides describe may shed new light on why Kelly now finds himself — just nine months into the job — grappling with diminished influence and a drumbeat of questions about how long he'll remain at the White House.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/kelly-thinks-he-s-saving-u-s-disaster-calls-trump-n868961



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BREAKING : John Kelly calls Trump "idiot". (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 OP
Umm...details? First Speaker Apr 2018 #1
from NBC Tactical Peek Apr 2018 #2
"And the truth shall set you free." Doreen Apr 2018 #3
Is that even news? still_one Apr 2018 #4
! eleny Apr 2018 #24
Oh, calling idiot is always big news. ooky Apr 2018 #35
Hopefully, he's been sprucing up his resume lately. MrScorpio Apr 2018 #5
Tillerson got to stick around for a bit after calling trump a moron, But he went bye bye, as will riversedge Apr 2018 #8
Kelly speaks the truth CatMor Apr 2018 #6
No he doesn't and I don't plan to forget malaise Apr 2018 #11
I hear you and agree.... CatMor Apr 2018 #15
I know - he got it right this time malaise Apr 2018 #19
goodbye nanny Kelly. riversedge Apr 2018 #7
This is huge news. Kingofalldems Apr 2018 #9
Oh I think this one will... Whiskeytide Apr 2018 #20
Glad I am not alone thinking that! K&R for op too. bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #26
Oh yeah. ehrnst Apr 2018 #38
Well grantcart Apr 2018 #40
Boom! Kingofalldems Apr 2018 #41
From my twitter feed Gothmog Apr 2018 #10
Only eight WH officials?? MontanaMama Apr 2018 #13
To call the Con an idiot is to be kind n/t malaise Apr 2018 #14
Idiots are dumber than morons, so Kelly is more accurate than Tillerson marylandblue Apr 2018 #12
From Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee Gothmog Apr 2018 #16
Kick this one. Kingofalldems Apr 2018 #17
Kelly is part of the cabal awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #18
So it appears to be rumors from unnamed sources. Tipperary Apr 2018 #21
A pattern seems to be emerging Gothmog Apr 2018 #22
+1, that's looks like the sign of someone who wants out. Benedict Donald would prolly punish uponit7771 Apr 2018 #23
And, nothing we can't Cha Apr 2018 #42
yawn manor321 Apr 2018 #25
There are eight sources. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #27
John Kelly is the one eroding morale? wonkwest Apr 2018 #28
Hey racist ex SouthCommand leader join the party lunasun Apr 2018 #29
The surprise is that Kelly told the truth, for once ecstatic Apr 2018 #30
Kelly also declared water to be wet Codeine Apr 2018 #31
The walk back is in progress Gothmog Apr 2018 #32
Someone wants Kelly out... Xolodno Apr 2018 #33
Infighting seems to be a hallmark of authoritarian regimes. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #34
As a Manager, Donald Trump Encourages 'Apprentice'-Like Rivalries keithbvadu2 Apr 2018 #39
"Both John Barron and David Dennison later confirmed for us that Kelly had been misquoted. struggle4progress Apr 2018 #36
Well, he has to be right (very) occasionally NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #37

riversedge

(70,245 posts)
8. Tillerson got to stick around for a bit after calling trump a moron, But he went bye bye, as will
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 04:29 PM
Apr 2018

nanny Kelly.

malaise

(269,063 posts)
11. No he doesn't and I don't plan to forget
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 04:33 PM
Apr 2018

He lies like the rest of the kakistocracy

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/20/john-kelly/fact-checking-john-kelly-frederica-wilsons-2015-sp/
<snip>
A video unearthed by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel of the April 10, 2015, event preserved Wilson’s speech. While it does portray Wilson speaking animatedly and indulging in some braggadocio -- she is known as a colorful, outspoken politician with a soft spot for fashionable hats -- Kelly mischaracterized her remarks in significant ways.

The effort she bragged about was initially requested by the FBI itself, and her actions were made in service of honoring the memory of the two slain agents. She also shared the credit, saying it could not have been accomplished without the help of her Republican colleagues, including then-House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

Perhaps most notable, the video doesn’t show Wilson boasting about securing money for the building, which had been obtained before she was even in Congress.

The video shows Wilson telling the audience that shortly before the dedication of a new FBI building in Miramar, Fla., the FBI approached her to see whether she could help name the building after FBI agents Benjamin Grogan and Jerry Dove, who were killed during a 1986 shootout with bank robbers south of Miami. Naming federal buildings is typically a responsibility of Congress.


awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
18. Kelly is part of the cabal
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 04:41 PM
Apr 2018

He was happy to help craft the anti-immigration rhetoric and policies.

He's a huge part of the most corrupt, inept and extreme administration in history.

F him.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
23. +1, that's looks like the sign of someone who wants out. Benedict Donald would prolly punish
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 04:48 PM
Apr 2018

... Kelly by not letting him go.

That would be living hell

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
30. The surprise is that Kelly told the truth, for once
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 05:58 PM
Apr 2018

For me, it's more shocking when someone doesn't think trump is an idiot. So...

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
33. Someone wants Kelly out...
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 06:09 PM
Apr 2018

When Comey's book came out and spilled the beans that the only reason Kelly is still there was because Comey told him to stay put....I thought for sure he would be under a lot of fire.

Instead, he disappeared and weathered the storm out. Now, boom, its brought up again.

Now if memory serves me correctly, Bannon said it was Javanka who pushed him out. Kelly no doubt has bridled their access to papa dump. Hell Jared lost access to sensitive info because of Kelly. I'm sure he didn't like that and whoever he's serving as well.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
34. Infighting seems to be a hallmark of authoritarian regimes.
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 06:11 PM
Apr 2018

Hitler's aides were at each other vying for power all the time.

Watch the Netflix (I think) series on Hitler's Circle of Evil.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80138915

The infighting occurs when people grapple for power.

When people are struggling to help others, there is still competition, but the infighting gives way to trying to achieve good things for others. Besides the kinds of people who are attracted to altruistic efforts tend to be less competitive than those who fight to get to the top of the heap.

struggle4progress

(118,297 posts)
36. "Both John Barron and David Dennison later confirmed for us that Kelly had been misquoted.
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 06:23 PM
Apr 2018

Barron said that Kelly's major concern was that 'crooked Hillary' had not been locked up. Dennison added that the President 'is, like, really really smart and a very stable genius at that.' Another White House staffer, Ivanred, suggested that we follow Twitter for still more important news"

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
37. Well, he has to be right (very) occasionally
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 06:26 PM
Apr 2018

But I'm really tired of him casting himself as a savior who will reign in Trump's worst impulses, and thinking he's the only hope for the country. He hasn't done it in a year; he won't do it today or tomorrow. He can whine and complain about Trump all he wants, but he's ultimately useless.

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