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Stinky The Clown

(67,825 posts)
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:00 PM May 2018

If I were a member of Congress, I would vote "Yes" to Gina Haspel.

Number 1: She is a career CIA operative and administrator. (Experience)

Number 2: She lives and breathes CIA. (Dedication)

Number 3: She is not political. (Impartiality)

Number 4: She worked for both Democratic and Republican administrations. (Apolitical)

Number 5: She did what she was told to do with respect to the tapes. It was a complicated issue then and now. (Doing what needs to be done)

Number 5: See the lead pronoun in each of my statements. SHE is qualified to run an agency that is, by definition, engaged in nasty business.

I know some of you all see my position on this as misguided. We will have to agree to disagree.

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If I were a member of Congress, I would vote "Yes" to Gina Haspel. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown May 2018 OP
Pass. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2018 #1
May well be the best we get with this administration too... bottomofthehill May 2018 #2
She didn't have the integrity to refuse to do something she knew was wrong. PubliusEnigma May 2018 #3
I'm never good with these "least horrible" choices... Feels like a 'devil's bargain', but... hlthe2b May 2018 #4
And 50 years from now? gratuitous May 2018 #5
She condoned and enforced torture. That negates all her "good" qualities, IMHO. CaliforniaPeggy May 2018 #6
She Deliberately Destroyed The Tapes After Being Told Not To Me. May 2018 #7
You are correct. Sherman A1 May 2018 #8
I also would vote yes average_mo_dem May 2018 #9
Any agency that 'needs' to torture should be abolished leftstreet May 2018 #10
ummmmmm...no. spanone May 2018 #11
She'll be confirmed. Not because she should be but because America has a sickness. Solly Mack May 2018 #12
This is why she cannot be confirmed G_j May 2018 #18
And yet she will be. Solly Mack May 2018 #19
Point 5 is the Nuremberg (just following orders) Defense DeminPennswoods May 2018 #13
Yes, I saw that too. procon May 2018 #15
I probably would, too... Wounded Bear May 2018 #14
No, she is a war criminal DeminPennswoods May 2018 #17
If Reason Number 5 were referring to this person, would you still stand by that assessment? Tommy_Carcetti May 2018 #16
Wow, I thought this was a satire post. Disgusting. nt USALiberal May 2018 #20

hlthe2b

(102,410 posts)
4. I'm never good with these "least horrible" choices... Feels like a 'devil's bargain', but...
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:09 PM
May 2018

I can appreciate your argument. But, it just seems like a no win choice, as I surely don't like sending a message that torture and its coverup is ok.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. And 50 years from now?
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:10 PM
May 2018

Will you be glad that you're on record as supporting torture sanctioned by our government at the highest levels?

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,726 posts)
6. She condoned and enforced torture. That negates all her "good" qualities, IMHO.
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:11 PM
May 2018

Of course you're entitled to your opinion.

I am entitled to mine.

I believe I hold the higher ground.

leftstreet

(36,117 posts)
10. Any agency that 'needs' to torture should be abolished
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:17 PM
May 2018

If they can't run a country's intelligence service without torturing people, they need to fuck off and admit there's either something wrong with the agency or the country itself

No to Haspel

Solly Mack

(90,790 posts)
12. She'll be confirmed. Not because she should be but because America has a sickness.
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:19 PM
May 2018

All too willing to lie about torture. Cover up torture. Pretend torture isn't torture. Pretend torture can be legal if you call it something else. All too willing to forget unpleasantness because, gosh darnit, ain't we the good guys?!?!. All too willing to embrace denial like it's the parent they've been yearning for all their life.

Sickness.

G_j

(40,372 posts)
18. This is why she cannot be confirmed
Mon May 7, 2018, 05:30 PM
May 2018

and the answer should be loud and clear. Torture is never acceptable.

Solly Mack

(90,790 posts)
19. And yet she will be.
Mon May 7, 2018, 05:37 PM
May 2018

Well, OK - maybe she won't be but good money is on the sickness prevailing. It has so far.

The war criminals - with very few nothing exceptions- got away with their crimes against humanity and America has pretty much accepted that torture as something they just can't do anything about. While some refuse to even accept America committed war crimes.
Some pretend it's a matter of debate.

Haspel should be in prison and not about to become head of the CIA, but...well..look at how some people speak about Bush these days?

See what I mean?

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
13. Point 5 is the Nuremberg (just following orders) Defense
Mon May 7, 2018, 03:31 PM
May 2018

It didn't work for the Germans and it shouldn't for her either. Further, she did not have the moral courage to stand up to her career civil service superiors when it came to torture and refuse to partake in it. If confirmed she would be working for a President who not only condones torture, but wants it to be even harsher. If she couldn't/wouldn't stand up to her CIA bosses, how will she ever stand up to Trump?

I don't care how qualified she might be or that she might be the first female CIA director or how many terrorists she may have captured legitimately, she approved of torture, ran a black site that committed torture and helped destroy evidence of those crimes.

She is a war criminal. Period. Stop.

procon

(15,805 posts)
15. Yes, I saw that too.
Mon May 7, 2018, 04:12 PM
May 2018

That alone should be a disqualifier.

2,3,4 are subjective and have little impact on her ability to run that agency. So, if #5 is out, now she's down to #1, and they must have other people with experience.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
17. No, she is a war criminal
Mon May 7, 2018, 05:24 PM
May 2018

What she deserves is a fair trial at The Hague for War Crimes, not a promotion at the CIA.

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