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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:13 AM May 2018

Stop Talking about 'Norms' - By Josh Marshall

By Josh Marshall | May 23, 2018 5:09 pm

I just finished listening to a CNN segment where “norms” figured heavily in the discussion. It was a good segment. I clipped a couple snippets of video because they were so good. But we need to stop talking so much about “norms”. And it’s not just CNN. The term has come up a number of times in our editorial conversations at TPM just today. I’ve talked about them. But we need to stop talking so much about norms. Because it doesn’t capture what is happening or the situation we’re in. In every kind of communication, clarity is the most important thing. By talking so much about “norms” and the violation of “norms” we’re confusing the situation and even confusing ourselves.

“Norms” aren’t laws for a reason. They are like bumpers on the roads of our civic and political life which are there to keep people of basically good faith from crossing lines they shouldn’t cross. They can also be warning posts so others can see when someone is either going down a bad path or needs to be brought back into line.

One reason that “norms” aren’t laws is that sometimes new or unique sets of facts create situations in which they do not or cannot or should not apply. But the problem with almost everything President Trump is doing today is not that he’s violating norms. The problem is that he is abusing his presidential powers to cover up his crimes and his associates’ crimes. Full stop. That’s the problem. The norms are just the orange rubber cones he knocked over when he drove out of his lane and headed for the crowded sidewalk.

I’ve noted something similar about the language of “conflicts of interest.” I have heard many people claim that that $500 million Chinese state loan to a Trump Organization partnership development in Indonesia is a “conflict of interest.” Whether or not you think that is the best example there are many others to choose from. Plug in whichever story you choose: Jared Kushner hitting up the Qataris for loans for his family business empire while supporting a blockade of their country or pressuring foreign government and political groups to use the President’s DC hotel or a million other examples.

These are not ‘conflicts of interest’. A ‘conflict of interest’ is a case in which the nature of a situation makes it impossible for a person to separate their personal interests from their public responsibilities (or to appear to do so). All previous Presidents put their private wealth into blind trusts. We assume they weren’t going to try to directly make money off the presidency. But they wanted to remove any question of it and avoid situations where there own financial interests would bump up against their public responsibilities. What we’re seeing now are not conflicts of interest. They’re straight-up corruption. It’s like “norms”. Defining “conflicts of interest” is meant to keep relatively honest people on the straight and narrow or create tripwires that allow others to see when people in power crossing the line. Nothing like that is happening here. We have an increasingly open effort to make vast sums of money with the presidency. It’s happening in front of our eyes, albeit not quite as visibly as the coverup.

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ollie10

(2,091 posts)
1. Great points!
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:22 AM
May 2018

Trump's followers think it is a great idea to not follow "norms". So to say his behavior violates "norms" is a good thing, in their view.

Better to call a spade a spade. Trump is a liar and crooked....this is corruption plain and clear

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
2. I think it does tend to minimize the criminal aspects of the investigation.
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:24 AM
May 2018

Sort of like calling a Banana Republic a "democracy"...

rainin

(3,011 posts)
4. Excellent post!! I'm reminded of the many times I heard the right complain that Obama
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:29 AM
May 2018

was just trying to sell books. (Even though he wrote his book long before his election and he never mentioned his book during his 2 terms.) But the right complained about its popularity and the residual income he earned, claiming he was getting rich off the presidency. How priorities have changed!!

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