What happens when Mueller issues his report and it is scathing ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

A cornered rat is at its most dangerous.


There are no limits to Trump's criminal ways. In another milieu he would have been a gangster, albeit a feckless one.

[dem4decades]

1. That's why Mueller must indict a sitting President.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I have no idea how this will turn out

I have no idea how this turn out other than Trump would burn America to the ground rather than suffer the consequences of a criminal life.

[mitch96]

39. "Trump would burn America to the ground "

Sounds like what Adolf Hitler did to Germany..
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[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Hitler was willing to fight to the last German

By the end of the war they were drafting teen agers and old men.

[mitch96]

46. "drafting teen agers and old men"

Yup, the peoples army. Volksstrum peoples storm... Strange times..
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[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. I do... impeachment hearings begin January 2019.

[NightWatcher]

2. I'm assuming that it will be so damning that he will immediately thereafter be removed and

indicted.

trump will kick and scream as he is carried out of the building.

I'm predicting an overwhelming report that outlines dozens of crimes and proof to support it. I don't think there will be any doubt.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. What will his crazed followers do ?

They evoke images of Heaven's Gate , Jonestown, and Waco.

[NightWatcher]

14. I've got a Costco card, I'll get the Koolaid...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Do we ply them with BBQ Ribs and Potato Salad first ?

[pbmus]

28. Don't forget the beer....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. You weren't here when we were lampooning Free Republic's Christmas party

We were making jokes about the menu.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Are you sure Team Mueller is going to

give some type of Report?

[Mike Rows His Boat]

6. What happens if nothing happens? n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Trump's crimes disappear into the ether?

[Mike Rows His Boat]

10. If indictment is off the table, and they don't impeach...? n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. If there is proof of crimes and nothing is done I can see massive protests that shut down cities.

Then what ?

[vi5]

16. Sadly, I do not see that happening....

....figure 35% of the population will not believe any of it and think he was railroaded/set up/whatever.

Another 10-20% just won't give a fuck because they are apolitical, think "all politicians are crooks" or whatever other claptrap.

Another 10-20% will be pissed and think Trump sucks but aren't going to be motivated to protest or act or anything of the sort.

The rest of the people will protest but it will roughly be the same level of protest as the other recent marches. Which is to say big and nothing to sneeze at or dismiss. But nowhere near shutting down cities or doing anything that results in action.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. There were 5,000,000 people protesting in the First Women's march.

And

The People Power Revolution (also known as the EDSA Revolution and the Philippine Revolution of 1986) was a series of popular demonstrations in the Philippines, mostly in the capital city of Manila from February 22–25, 1986. There was a sustained campaign of civil resistance against regime violence and alleged electoral fraud. The nonviolent revolution led to the departure of dictator President Ferdinand Marcos, the end of his 21-year totalitarian rule, and the restoration of democracy in the Philippines.[4][5]

The interesting thing is Marcos could have put down the rebellion just as the Shah of Iran could have put down the rebellion that resulted in the overthrow of the Peacock Throne but neither was willing to shoot their own people, en masse.

[vi5]

30. And 5 million is great...

..but it's also not going to cause any mass changes or shut things down.

And I don't think comparing us to the Phillipines is an accurate comparison. Both in terms of the size and makeup of that country and also it was 1986. People had less distraction and misinformation and everything else we currently have that is keeping people numb and apathetic.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it. I will be there myself with my family. I want nothing more than to see that kind of action and reaction in this country.

I guess I'm just too cynical to believe that it will actually happen.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. What made the People's March successful is the protestors came from every strata of society

You had union workers, office workers, and students marching arm in arm. If a modest Third World people can take to the streets to protect their democracy Americans can.

What if Trump tries to jail his political opponents ? What if he makes them disappear like in Galtieri's Argentina?


BTW, I knew a man who was picked up by Galtieri's thugs but they let him go after a couple of weeks.

[vi5]

47. We agree on the basics...

..the numbers were great for the people's march, and the diversity was great. I just don't think they were "tipping point" numbers, and I'm not confident that enough American's as a whole are not apathetic or self-involved enough to get out and make a difference. Even if he pulls a Galtieri on any level.

Make no mistake about it I want you to be right and for me to be wrong.

For example, most of my extended family fall on the liberal side of things, and hate Trump. But they aren't firebrands and they aren't protesters and they are most definitely not "rock the boat" type of people who will take to the streets. Maybe if it got to the point where Trump was ordering people shot in the street they would be, but it would really take a lot for them to get there. Believe me, I've tried.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. I don't want to get into tin foil hat territory.

I don't want to get into tin foil hat territory because when people did that with other presidents I thought they were bonkers like suggesting Bush would suspend elections or enforce martial law. But although misguided and stubborn Bush had a moral center.

OTOH Trump is a gangster. Gangsters do some pretty unsavory things to their opponents. What if Trump does ?

[vi5]

49. Ha! Sorry....

I didn't mean to imply that I thought Trump would actually do that (although it's way more a possibility than it ever has been in several generations). I was just using an example of what might have to happen for my liberal but apathetic family members and aquaintances to actually get off their asses to do something beyond voting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Trump is alternately weak, unhinged, and mean. That's a combustible mix.

[vi5]

51. Not to mention....

..millions of similarly weak, unhinged, and mean followers in the citizenry as well as hundreds of cowardly and/or complicit Republicans in positions of power. That makes it even worse.

[Mike Rows His Boat]

18. I don't see that happening. Would be good.

Apathy and know-nothingness rules the day as far as I see.

[Squinch]

7. At this point I am really hoping he doesn't release it before November.

If he does, nothing will be done about it. And then they'll have the military take over the state houses or something.

I put nothing past these swine.

[RKP5637]

19. They will declare martial law across the US in the name of national security. Then the US is

gone and well into its way to a dystopian society as the GOP toasts Trump.

[jalan48]

8. Hopefully the voters will make the Democrats the majority. If not, nothing will happen.

[onecaliberal]

11. Nothing is going to happen

[RKP5637]

21. Yep, that's my fear too. n/t

[COLGATE4]

45. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! nt

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

57. I think you're right.

For something to happen, someone has to be willing to act, and there is not one member of the Republican Party who has the balls to stand up to this insane president.

No matter what Mueller finds, Trump will know the GOP won't do shit, so he'll continue yelling "Witch Hunt" and Fox will continue yelling Witch Hunt" and in the end not a damned thing will happen to this ego maniacal traitor.

Sorry, but that's the way I think it will happen. Even if he's impeached, there's not enough GOP senators willing to buck Trump's base and vote to convict.

Barring North Korea dropping nukes on the WH and Mar-A-Lago, we're stuck with this shithole until January 2021.

[onecaliberal]

58. If we don't stop Russia from stealing that election too.

[handmade34]

12. I am assuming

nothing... as there is nobody in a position of power that will do anything about it

[MontanaMama]

15. After today I fear

nothing is going to happen.

[RKP5637]

22. When you have a nation where most people don't pay attention or possibly care, that's

what happens, and the end of a democracy.

[MontanaMama]

25. I really think we are there.

We are watching our country unravel.

[RKP5637]

27. Yeah, there doesn't seem to be much road left ahead. n/t

[babylonsister]

36. This too shall pass. I have faith! nt

[Hoyt]

23. It's time to find out what happens.

[babylonsister]

35. Exactly. nt

[htuttle]

24. Well, he is a gangster -- no 'would have been' about it

Not all mobsters run numbers rackets. Shitstick's racket was real estate, but he played the same cons, with money laundering, pump and dump, "fire sales", the works. There were questions about the 'modeling agency' he used to run that veered toward human trafficking.

It's no accident that his 'associate' Michael Cohen had his office in a mobbed up social club.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. The irony is a lot of the gangsters of yore would have made successful businesspeople

But opportunities for the Irish, the Italian, and the Jewish were limited at one time.

[still_one]

31. If Mueller's report is scathing, it will be interesting how the press reports it

[Kilgore]

33. What happens when Mueller issues his report and its not scathing ?

The reality is that no one really knows what the report will say.

A report that clears him is just as possible in a vacuum of hard information.

I refuse to hyperventilate and let Muller do his job. Life is just too short.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. If Trump thought Mueller's findings were going to be exculpatory

If Trump thought Mueller's findings were going to be exculpatory why would he bo working so hard to undermine him ? He certainly seems to be exhibiting consciousness of guilt.

[Hoyt]

38. It's a possibility. I don't think obstruction or utter incompetence in oversight of his

campaign will matter to Congress or most people. If Mueller can’t link trump directly to Russia or other corruption, a bunch of aides and a kid or two going down won’t touch trump with this Congress.

Hopefully, Mueller has more and is truly as committed as we want him to be.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. You don't think Jr. told Papa about his meeting with the Russians ?

[Hoyt]

42. Junior probably tells daddy everything. Just gotta prove it, and perhaps show trump approved.

trump is guilty as sin and a threat to world, but what you and I think won’t get rid of him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. There's that whole matter about a call to a blocked number.

Mueller knows whose blocked number it was.

[Hoyt]

44. If he has that info, it's getting time to issue a preliminary report and send the cockroaches

scurrying. I’m hopeful Mueller has enough, but it will help to see something.

After Fitzgerald, I no longer wake up in middle of night to check DU for reports of bush/cheney indictment. But I do check first thing in morning.

[enid602]

34. tRump

tRump will no doubt say something like 'I must be innocent because my crooked son in law just got security clearance.'

[oberliner]

53. Nothing

Republican-controlled Congress files it away.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. What if there are massive protests ?

Massive peaceful protests brought down the Peacock Throne, Hosni Mubarak, and Ferdinand Marcos because the militaries in those nations were loathe to shoot their fellow citizens.

[oberliner]

55. That's a great question

I have no idea how that would play out. Unchartered territory for the US in modern history.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. See the People Power Revolution in the Philippines

[cbdo2007]

59. Trump will lose about 50% more of his base, and the Rs in congress will start turning on him.

That's all we're waiting for here, an official declaration by Mueller's team that Trump was involved. Once that happens, they will lose almost all support from the public and that's when they'll turn on him.

[tblue37]

60. He IS a gangster. His mob ties to back decades. nt

[Blue_true]

61. That is why it is so important that we retake the House in November.

If republicans maintain control, the report gets buried and the ass licking Press (outside of the NYT and W Post) won't do shit about republicans burying it.

[greyl]

62. Iow, will Dotard resist arrest? Can't wait to see the bodycam footage of that one. nt