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(58,724 posts)In case that matters to anyone.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Johnnyonthespot
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Now, more than ever.
blm
(113,091 posts)Yet.....there you are with your ever ready offerings. Just in case, eh?
Obama....Obama....Obama.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In fact, I am hoping to provide context where it is lacking.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)...That FACT Is Obvious, You're Not Fooling Anyone.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I would think everyone here would have a problem with that - especially now.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)The whole thing WORSE.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)If you think the posts are not to ensure accuracy, what other reason would there be for making them?
blm
(113,091 posts).
I think a default assumption would be that this is recent when in fact it is 2 years old.
Generally when someone posts an article and it's not current, folks point that out.
blm
(113,091 posts)You know exactly what you're going for - you always do. If there is a way to spin Trump's latest evil by pointing at Obama and away from him, you'll find it - you always do.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)Link to tweet
Obama was not perfect but to suggest he was as bad as trump is absurd. I just learned much of this today.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There is no suggestion being made to the contrary by me.
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Sailor65x1
(554 posts)But you're right.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'm not sure why some people are so afraid of accuracy.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)What we are doing here is so wrong on every possible level.
applegrove
(118,778 posts)I'm beginning to think so.
Sailor65x1
(554 posts)Back in 2016, when this came to be?
applegrove
(118,778 posts)RockRaven
(14,998 posts)Obviously some accommodation must be made for minors, children, even infants, without guardians -- under virtually any conceivable immigration policy there will be some such kids. And yes, Obama's immigration policies led to many children in custody, and many falling through the cracks.
But the enthusiasm with which the Trump admin is expanding the scope of immigrant children in custody is grotesque. And the glee with which they declare separating children and parents will be a deterrent is an abomination. (BTW it won't, just like the death penalty isn't an effective homicide deterrent; also these people are so f-ing desperate they risk their own and their kids' lives to immigrate, separation is lower down the list of deterrent than death)
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)With that many toddlers wouldn't there be a few attendants?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)SAN ANTONIO Numerous women detained at an immigrant jail in Karnes County allege staff there sexually assaulted or harassed them in front of their children.
Some of the women complained nearly a month ago, but the alleged perpetrators still were allowed to remain among the immigrants at the privately run 537-bed Karnes County Residential Center, lawyers for the detainees said Thursday.
The allegations were made to staff with the GEO Group, which operates the center, in early September by some detainees, most of whom are Central Americans sent with their children there after being caught crossing illegally at the Texas border, the lawyers said.
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Complaint-Women-at-Karnes-immigration-facility-5797039.php
Seems like things have been pretty awful there for a while.
burrowowl
(17,645 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And heartbreaking.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Here's a link to the article that goes with the photo:
Michael Kiefer, The Republic | azcentral.com Published 1:05 p.m. MT June 18, 2014
NOGALES They are fed and clothed, kept clean and cool, far better off than if they were walking through the desert in June temperatures.
They are undocumented. They entered the country illegally. And when they were apprehended by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, they were shipped to Nogales from overwhelmed processing facilities in Texas.
But they are still children in cages, not gangsters, not delinquents. Just children, 900 of them, in a makeshift border-town processing center that is larger than a football field. They pass the day sitting on benches or lying side by side on tiny blue mattresses pressed up against each other on nearly every square inch of the floor in the fenced areas.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2014/06/18/arizona-immigrant-children-holding-area-tour/10780449/
Sailor65x1
(554 posts)Back in 2014 when this photo was taken. Not that many here will bother to notice.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)What's next? Brick walls?
This is criminally insane. Void of all compassion.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Such speed and agility
If only I had been able to stop that other photo from 2014 from going viral on twitter.
It's a shame people are so quick to tweet and re-tweet without checking the facts.
Sailor65x1
(554 posts)Must have been void of all compassion...
Docreed2003
(16,875 posts)Between this and the pictures from yesterday of children being held in worse conditions than my dogs when I board them, in cages...I just can't imagine how we recover from this. What happened to those 1,500 children who are lost??
What have we become when we allow children to be stripped from their parents...likely never to see each other again!
A special FUCK YOU to Stephen Miller and John Kelly who, no doubt, pushed for this and a double FU to the Orange Shitgibbon in Chief who heads this fascist administration
oberliner
(58,724 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can't believe what has become of this country. What's next, cattle cars?
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)I get it that we wish these kids weren't in the situations they are in, but this is not a prison bus (no bars or grills across window) and we do have to transport toddlers and young children, car seats should be used.