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America has a massive shortage of truck drivers. Joyce Brenny, head of Brenny Transportation in Minnesota, increased driver pay 15 percent this year to try to attract more drivers. Many of her drivers now earn $80,000, she says, yet she still can't find enough people for the job.
About 51,000 more drivers are needed to meet the demand from companies such as Amazon and Walmart that are shipping more goods across the country, according to the American Trucking Associations. The driver shortage is already leading to delayed deliveries and higher prices for goods that Americans buy. The ATA predicts that it's likely to get worse in the coming years.
Many trucking companies are so desperate for drivers that they are offering signing bonuses and pay raises. So why don't more Americans want this job? We asked truck drivers who have been doing the job anywhere from four months to 40 years for their views.
Most said the answer is simple: The lifestyle is rough. You barely see your family, you rarely shower, and you get little respect from car drivers, police or major retailers. Michael Dow said he has been divorced twice because of trucking. Donna Penland said she gained 60 pounds her first year from sitting all day and a lack of healthful food on the road.
A few drivers told The Washington Post that they earn $100,000, but many said their annual pay is less than $50,000 (government statistics say median pay for the industry is $42,000). As for the bonuses, driver Daniel Gollnick said they are a complete joke because of all the strings attached.
Despite the hardships, half said they would recommend the job to friends and family, chiefly because, as Gollnick said, it's the easiest money you can get without a college degree. Here are the drivers' perspectives on America's trucking crisis.
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Make7
(8,543 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)of a truck driver. On top of this, they talked about how WalMart would stiff truck drivers and not pay them for loads if they were late or if WalMart didn't need the load at the time. For instance, if they were delivering watermelons, and sales of watermelons were running slow, WalMart would just not accept their load, and the drivers would be stuck with the load and not get paid for it.
Being a truck driver is definitely a hard particularly for the reasons already mentioned. My brother-in=law was one and finally had to give it up when his truck had mechanical problems and he just couldn't afford to fix it because of all the money he was losing on runs.
TlalocW
(15,383 posts)And even though I enjoy my particular line of work, something about traveling the country and getting paid for it in a vehicle with its own bed in the back appeals to me.
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Kotya
(235 posts)Electronic Logging (or ELD) is a system that logs every movement of the vehicle and there's no flexibility. Get stuck in traffic or trying to find parking and hit your max time behind the wheel and that's it. The offload will have to wait until tomorrow. Drivers are driving fewer hours and earning less money.
rgbecker
(4,831 posts)Rare to make $.50/mile, most get less. A 2000 mile week would be lucky break for one with little experience and seniority. $1000/week is far less than $100,000 a year.
Take a 400 mile drive tomorrow and see if you feel like doing it the next day and day after and every fucking workday for the next 5 years, much less the next 20. Trucking companies are going to have to get a little more creative in filling their trucks and scheduling their loads to make up for the lack of drivers.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I know it is in that ballpark (I should know exactly what this is considering I get paid this but I don't).
Sad that someone would make more money driving their own car than driving something that most drivers couldn't handle and delivering freight.
rgbecker
(4,831 posts)while the trucker's mileage pay is for the labor of driver.
My point was the impossibility of driving enough miles to actually rack up a decent paycheck.
When I was younger, in the early 70's, I drove a local truck for $2.70 an hour hoping to get an over the road job, but those jobs just weren't there. Interesting that now there is a huge shortage of drivers but they still don't pay that much.
shanny
(6,709 posts)DAMANgoldberg
(1,278 posts)Though I have a college and graduate degree, it was one that I was able to get in due to not being "the right kind of techie during the Microsoft certification era". It takes a toll on your health, as it has mine. The regulations ensure you don't really make real money unless you run outlaw, and I did what I set out to do, see the country and get paid for it.
BL: It's no fun, and my health hasn't returned sufficiently to return.
W_HAMILTON
(7,867 posts)n/t
waddirum
(979 posts)but I believe it refers to going beyond allowable hours on the road without rest.
DAMANgoldberg
(1,278 posts)Also the hidden/double log book. Harder to do now with Electronic Logging Devices.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Our company always has driver jobs open. Union scale, full benefits, pension, uniform/laundry, and regular route/hours. Driver friends say they gross $70k a year with OT. The only requirements are a CDL, pass the federal drug test, and have a clean driving record. And the company provides the truck, maintenance and fuel. They never touch the load, usually just drop the trailer and pick up an empty. If a load is rejected, they message dispatch and let them deal with it.
These jobs should be snapped up.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)60 cents a mile.
60 cents a mile, average 2200 legal miles a week x 52 weeks is 68,640 dollars.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)These are direct jobs driving a company truck. So there is no mileage pay. Current pay is about $25/hr. That's about $52k per year. OT varies, right now there is a lot because of so many vacancies.
At some point the log book kicks in, but the OT sponges soak up as much as they can.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)How much OT are you talking about?
Like any group there are the OT sponges and others that avoid it. At some point the logbook kicks in and they have to stop working and take text off.
Base pay is about $52k per year. OT is time and half to double depending on when.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)ooky
(8,923 posts)I've never done it but my next door neighbor's brother does. He's almost never home, except for holidays, and when I do see him he looks way stressed out. Practically lives in his cab with his dog. Just having to handle that rig alone would be enough stress for me.
Rebl2
(13,510 posts)read trucking companys have trouble finding people who can pass a drug test.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Mariana
(14,857 posts)but, "Government statistics say median pay for the industry is $42,000." That's a pretty big gap between those numbers.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Trump country town.
RandySF
(58,847 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)It was ages ago so probably the only useful thing he taught me besides "Give big rigs respect and space, they can't stop fast, and they have to be able to see you" was to dim rather than bright to tell a truck he's clear of you and to take trucks suddenly slowing down as a sign I better not be a leadfoot.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Fantastic tip. I'll pass along.
moriah
(8,311 posts)... but it's less likely to potentially night-blind them for a critical instant.
Besides, how do brights, even for a second, feel in your rearview mirror? Heh. It seems perfectly logical when you think about it, but so often people think they're doing trucks a favor by flashing brights while he's trying to evaluate his upcoming lane change.
They understand the intent, but appreciate nothing adding to their potential risk of losing control of that much mass.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)you might be surprised how many other truck drivers flash their high beams. It's annoying as hell, but it happens all the time.
DiverDave
(4,886 posts)That's just not true. I've been driving for 25 years. Yes, I make more now but nowhere near 80K.
I've been at my current job for 3 years. I have gotten my bonus once. Out of 12 quarters.
That woman lied. Period.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)catrose
(5,067 posts)in passing expenses and risks down to the lowest level (driver, in this case)? I thought drivers had to buy their own rigs, which took care of any money they might have earned.
I see it everywhere, this passing of risk & expense, since Mr. Tyson passed down the risk of growing chickens. Here we are now with Uber and Lyft passing car ownership and expense to the driver (who is learing very little).
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Most of the guys who DO have their own have them contracted to a carrier.
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)because gas and maintenance can really add up over thousands of miles making their take home pay much lower.
America really needs more cargo train service and less long-haul trucking. Trucks can unload stuff from the train station and take it to it's final destination.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)He went along with the plan to deregulate trucking and it put a somewhat efficiently managed trucking industry in the shit can. Regulated trucking could have been reworked to make it better but instead, it was given to the wolves of wall street and it was then history. Most of the trucking today is non-union and you can't make squat compared to the number of hours you have to put into it.
Mostly business would rather deal with spotty service as opposed to having to deal with unions, and that is just the way it is
Most people don't know or would rather forget that the road to de-regulation hell started with Carter.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Rail is the cheapest way to get heavy freight to its destination.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)to another single point.
While it is indeed much less expensive to move a container or a semi trailer across country by rail, it is by no means as fast nor is it as convenient, as a truck can pick up from almost anywhere and deliver almost anywhere.
The rail roads can not offer the same service.
And your "Yes" is wrong.
TeamPooka
(24,227 posts)to get the stuff to its final destination.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)meaning drivers who drive company owned trucks, do NOT have to pay for fuel and other costs out of their own pocket. If the company owns the truck, they pay the expenses to operate it.
And BTW, All the freight that is economical to move by rail, ALREADY IS. And until such time as there is a rail siding behind every gas station, convenience store and strip mall, the amount of freight moved by rail will not dramatically increase.
Ummmm...this isn't the 1860's. That's not quite how it works;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_freight_transport
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)If the company is paying $80,000 and all expenses, then what is the problem?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)I'll assume you have all the answers.
Yeah...what could POSSIBLY be the problem? I await your astute insight with great eagerness.
Clearly typed by someone who has a firm grasp on the ins and outs of the transportation industry.
And FWIW, here's "trucking in the 1860's" :
The name "Teamster" comes from those old wagons being drawn by a team of horses or mules.
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)And the OP says there's a trucker shortage. You're the expert. Why don't you provide real answers instead of snark?
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)To sit on your rear end for, what, 12 hours a day? And go into a hypnotic stare at the lines in the road. And have to drive on icy roads, in snow, on mountains. I couldn't do it. You have to stop and have your truck weighed and cargo checked. Cops harass you. Horrible job. I'd end up killing myself and maybe others in an accident.
RandySF
(58,847 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)And if I had the time I would type out the essay needed to correct all the misinformation on this thread, but I dont have the time just now.
Suffice to say, there seems to be a lot of confusion and lack of understanding about the industry I have been a part of for most of my adult life. But this has been the case on DU for as long as there have been threads about trucking!
So perhaps Ill write up an OP when I get home in about 6 hours in an attempt to clarify where the author of the article as well as many of the commentators on this thread seem to be laboring under a misapprehension.
And for what its worth, heres a short curriculum vitae;
Drove my first tractor trailer in 1978, before deregulation
3 years driving in South Florida
Started Over The Road in 1987 before the national 55 limit was lifted
Closing on 2 million accident free miles which have encompassed all of the lower 48 and 3 Canadian Provinces in all seasons and terrain.
12 years in the motor racing industry. (This is the reason I dont have over 3 million miles, as those gigs only averaged 30 - 40K miles a year)
10 years open-rack auto transport.
7 years general freight which includes my current gig (US Mail contractor)
And just for the record, no newb to the business is going to make anything CLOSE to eighty grand, unless he falls into the sweetest deal there is.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)I'm glad your willing to make some correction for the misconceptions about the industry.
Having worked together years ago pulling loads out of Flat Rock MI I can vouch for ya.
After retiring I became a licensed CDL Instructor. Trucking Companies have been in a panic to find drivers for a decade now. They always inflate the pay and benefits. All and all I never had any regret for getting into trucking.
After you pay your dues and learn the ropes it's a cool job.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)I'll have to drive till I drop dead. After I left F.J. Boutell I hauled cars till 2004 when I got back into motor racing. That lasted 2 years when the company was on the verge of going belly up. Became a Stock Broker in 2006 and back to car haul in 2010. Been hauling mail for 3 years now.
I'm a Teamster here but this local does not participate in the pension plan. The company offers a 401(k) but the Mutual Fund choices suck, so I don't participate. I use an IRA instead.
As far as typing anything up;
The operative word being "perhaps"! I've got a 12 hour trip tonight I have to leave for in an hour followed by the same thing the day after.
Sort these wankers out, willya?!?
BTW, I looked into becoming an instructor down here in Jax, FL. They offered $12/hour! That would have been a 50% cut in pay! Not bloody interested.
Good to see you, old man!
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)But i get super anxiety over thinking about having to turn left from a parking lot onto a busy road. Scary! How do they do it! Also, backing up to unload! Ugh. I'm getting nervous just typing this.
Le Gaucher
(1,547 posts)The trucks will drive long hauls themselves .. And Drivers will take over the last 25 to 30 miles
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)Hate to veer off topic, but that line caught my attention. Are there really that many idiots who don't respect a 40 ton vehicle that can instantly destroy/ kill /maim with a tap?
My personal rule is to avoid driving next to (and especially in front of) all trucks.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)Saying that it's generally not a good idea to try and turn right inside of a tractor-trailer that's also trying to turn right.
Plenty of people out there who are basically dumbasses.
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)there are youtube videos showing where cars are can be in the blind spots of trucks, and there are very large blind spots.
I find it best to give them as much space as possible.