Clinton allies open to backing Warren for president in 2020

[DonViejo]

BY AMIE PARNES - 06/01/18 06:00 AM EDT

Allies of Hillary Clinton say they could see themselves supporting Sen. Elizabeth Warren for president in 2020, even as she rails against Wall Street and pulls Democrats away from some of Clinton's more centrist positions.

“If Elizabeth Warren decides to run for president, she will find support both from Hillary diehards who still want to elect a qualified woman as president and from Hillary skeptics who want an unflinching champion against corporate greed as the party’s standard-bearer," said Seth Bringman, a Clinton ally who served as a spokesman for the Ready for Hillary super PAC.

The 2016 primaries split the Democratic Party, with the liberal grassroots rallying to the candidacy of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). The division in the party has never healed, with both camps pointing the finger for Clinton’s election loss to Donald Trump. But some see Warren, 68, as a liberal who can bridge the divide.

For one thing, they say, Warren endorsed Clinton wholeheartedly and then campaigned alongside her.

“She won many of us over not only with her endorsement of Hillary in 2016 but with the sincerity of it,” said Adam Parkhomenko, a longtime Clinton ally. He added that Warren is also a registered Democrat, while “Bernie Sanders is not.”

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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/390154-clinton-allies-open-to-backing-warren-for-president-in-2020

[RandySF]

1. I'm open to everyone at this point except Sanders or Turner

[Wwcd]

4. Warren is fine as long as she slams the door of intentional division in his face.

However she would need to have Kamala Harris as her VP.
And Bernie would be no where in sight.

We have fine brilliant Dems to run in 2020.

I really don't see Warren running for Pres in 2020.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. I could DEFINITELY support that ticket, if that were the outcome.

[Hortensis]

72. I like Warren, but I don't see it either. Much as I

wanted her to run in 2016, and good as she is on the stump, most didn't feel she'd have been a strong candidate in the general. However, there would have been no Sanders betrayal and national Trump disaster if she'd run, no matter who won the primary. Sigh... She must deeply regret that decision also. Oh, well. What's done is...far from over.

Now, I AM imagining Warren as a 2020 version of FDR's Frances Perkins, given the power she needed to make big things happen. She is a real doer, and THAT picture I can really see.

I also like pictures with Kamala Harris in them.

[Gothmog]

97. I was a delegate to the National Convention

The Texas delegation was seated right behind the Mass. delegation. I got to meet Barney Frank and I was seated two rows behind Senator Warren.

[Hortensis]

134. What an experience! Barney Frank has always

been a favorite of mine. And of course, Sen. Warren. Scary but hugely important era to be so involved.

[samnsara]

145. i dont see her as a strong candidate either..she always seems to be a little self conscious...

[Hortensis]

147. Perhaps, but I think it went well beyond that into other

big, basic issues, such as gathering support from various power bases, that candidates have to tend to before the part we see. Warrens own preference, also, is for economic issues, and presidents have to somehow tend to everything.

Just for one example, though, Hillary had wooed a reluctant Wall Street to be able to grudgingly accept her as president, if the worst happened and they were faced with a Democratic-controlled government, with promises to respect their important contributions to society and need to maximize those while also making very needed changes. But when she floated Elizabeth Warren as her running mate, Wall Street threatened to set her administration on fire with its opposition. Even spokesmen who had agreed that big changes were needed opposed her. Warren hadn't done the necessary prep for becoming VP, much less president.

[Demsrule86]

151. I don't think a woman can get elected...sad to say that.

[Hortensis]

153. :) We elected Hillary president. You've forgotten already?

[Sophia4]

107. Right now, Bernie is urging people to vote Democratic without mentioning the name of

the candidate he would support for president.

That's a good thing I believe.

[Gothmog]

95. I would also support anyone but sanders or turner

[OnDoutside]

2. Wow, I wonder is there a back story to emerge on this ?

[Lil Missy]

3. She has repeatedly said she is not running

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. I hope Elizabeth changes her mind... been known to happen.

She'd be an awesome candidate.

[Callado119]

16. That's what they all say

Everyone says they’re not running until they are. Both Clinton and Obama said pretty much the same before they ran.

[NewJeffCT]

18. she had hired somebody that is a foreign policy expert

last year, which some thought was a way to help burnish her foreign policy credentials for a potential presidential run, plus she is now on the Armed Services Committee in the Senate.

https://www.apnews.com/f9351c2ce24d4572a38622019ebd4272

[GWC58]

142. Yeah this is true, but

Hillary also, on numerous occasions, said she wasn’t running.

[MineralMan]

5. I welcome all Democrats to toss their hats in the ring for 2020.

The voters will sort them out, as always. I have no favorites at this time. In the end, the candidate who makes the best appeal to the voters will prevail in the primaries, and my support will go 100% to the nominee of the party.

At this point in the cycle, it's impossible to predict how things will go or to project who the leading candidates might be.

[Sophia4]

108. Me too. No favorites at this time. Let's see who the voters choose.

[OregonBlue]

159. I don't really but I don't think Elizabeth could win. I like our Oregon Senator

Merkley. He was the first senator to endorse Bernie. He is very progressive but not a flame thrower. He's a fresh face and a true Progressive, not one of convenience.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

6. If Elizabeth, like the article says, pulls Democrats away from Hillary's more centrist positions...

I could DEFINITELY support Elizabeth for President, in 2020, no doubt, as would a huge number of progressives... it would then be an EASY win. Her and Bernie would be my #1 and #2 choices, not necessarily in that order.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[Wwcd]

7. Bernie will never have the support of the Dem majority.

He is despised by so many that even Warren couldn't appease enough to have him anywhere on board.

He is so freakin toxic he needs to step the heck outta the pic or we lose again.
Sorry, but that is obvious at this point in time.

He can take Nina Turner & his OR with him to another Party if he wants to be a candidate.

The backlash to his name as a Dem will be heard loudly this time around.

Glad we're still in the speculation phase of 2020.
We will demand a solid Dem.
Sanders isn't interested in that qualification.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. Maybe Bernie runs, maybe not...

but if he does, the Democratic Party will embrace him and let him enter the field... there's no other choice. Under no circumstances should the Party push Bernie out, which would be disastrous, especially if he ran as an Independent... surely you must know that.

[Wwcd]

22. No, the Dem Party & their voters will NOT embrace him. They despise him.

He has done nothing but run against the Dem Party.
Why would they suddenly embrace him when there are clearly some seriously far better candidates who define our Party in a more positive way than Sanders has.

He will never be the Dem choice.
He chose his course, & the voters he needs support from have already rejected him for one of their more qualified own.
A Democrat, for starters.
This is the reality not the dream he's still holding from 2016.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

23. Riiiight, that's why Bernie votes with the Democrats more often than any other Democrat.

Bernie has demonstrated his loyalty to Democrats... beyond just words.

[Wwcd]

29. Oh lord. That's deep. Lets start with Magnitsky & Russian sanctions

Magnitsky. Only 2 NO votes against Russian Sanctions & one of them was Sanders.
READ BILL BROWDER & his friend Sergei Magnitsky.
Why would anyone Vote to Not support The Magnitsky Act.
Damn.

THAT was a big damned Vote against Democrats.
What's that you say about "Bernie votes with the Democrats more often than any other Democrat"

JFC.

Good time to add another to the IGNORE List

Bye, have a really pleasant day.

[Eliot Rosewater]

44. I cant even respond to that statement, thank you for doing it.

All I will say is

TAX RETURNS

why dont people wonder about that? I dont get it.

If Hillary or Barack or any Kennedy or Biden or Warren or Booker or Cuomo or ANY democrat REFUSED to show me their tax returns I would ASSUME that something was VERY wrong and I would NOT support them let alone vote for them.

[Blue_true]

51. Same here. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Take care... sorry the truth hurts.

[Cha]

133. The Truth doesn't "hurt" Wwcd.. she's

reality based.

[George II]

40. That's simply not true, especially on IMPORTANT votes.

[NurseJackie]

47. "Bernie has demonstrated his loyalty to Democrats... beyond just words." -- GMAFB!

Bernie has demonstrated his loyalty to Democrats... beyond just words.

GMAFB! Anyone who's genuinely loyal to the Democratic party and Democratic candidates doesn't go around calling us "feeble" and "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt".

I wouldn't accept those types of attacks from Dick Cheney or Donald Trump, why should it be acceptable for anyone else to smear Democrats and the party in that manner?

All I'm trying to say is that your idea of "loyalty" and mine are worlds apart.

[sheshe2]

63. ;)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

64. Let's see...

Bernie has pushed for reform of the Democratic Party and it's prime messaging, which has lead it and most, if not all, serious 2020 presidential contenders, in anticipation of a possible run, to embrace universal health care through Medicare for all, a pledge not to take dirty corporate PAC money to help fund their campaigns, a Federal minimum wage of 15 bucks, legalized pot, debt-free college education, and the list goes on and on. So, Bernie is not just loyal to Democrats on these issues, they're loyal to HIM.

[NurseJackie]

65. Ha!

[Docreed2003]

139. Well...

Democratic outreach and all that...







(My favorite eye roll gif...just for you love!!)

[NurseJackie]

148. I know! :-D That boast now makes me giggle.

Democratic outreach and all that...

I know! :-D That boast now makes me giggle. Some believe (and had convinced me) that it was a voter outreach position. I've since learned that the position is NOT "voter outreach" and is instead one that serves a more perfunctory and institutional role.

Wikipedia has a page that describes what it is and uses quotes from the official website: "We are committed to serving as a liaison between Senate Democratic offices and advocacy groups and intergovernmental organizations."



PS: Love the gif! I'm going borrow the link and tuck that one away for later use.

[Hortensis]

59. Inablue, Democrats write the legislation, Sanders votes

for it in order to be reelected. He's lonely and isolated in the Senate, but he likes his elite job a lot and that's been a working solution for him since 1991. His salary's only $174,000, but of course the perks and benefits are fabulous.

As for your notion that Democrats would vote for him, you need to put that delusion away. After his previous betrayals of us and our party, never. His high point is long gone now.

Btw, regarding Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, she refused to endorse him -- as did every other one of his colleagues -- because she knows him. Nothing has changed. He is still the person they all despise.

[NurseJackie]

67. Well said!

I share Warren's feelings and opinions of him.

[CentralMass]

32. Bernie Caucuses with the party and is a member of the following committees.

Committee Membership
Bernard “Bernie” Sanders sits on the following committees:

Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Budget
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security
Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
Member, Subcommittee on Energy
Member, Subcommittee on National Parks
Member, Subcommittee on Water and Power
Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
Member, Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Member, Subcommittee on Superfund, Waste Management, and Regulatory Oversight
Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

He is also chair of Outreach for Senate Democrats.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/16/senate-democrats-tap-bernie-sanders-lead-outreach/93960822/

[Wwcd]

33. So? And he has never stopped campaiginng against the Dem Party since 2016

He lacks the unifying quality necessary to unseat the fascism.

He will never be the Dem Candidate we run for US President .
He is far too despised by the Party he continues to condemn & has shown no interest in healing those wounds.
And that's his problem to deal with. Not ours.
We have so many other bright leaders to choose from that have well proven their qualifications.
Its not ever going to be bernie sanders for President. Not on the Dem ticket.

Later.

[Eliot Rosewater]

46. I think it is obvious he is going to oppose loudly and often the Democratic Party

in the guise of making it better while in fact destroying it's ability to win seats.

And I know why.

too

[onetexan]

125. Correct. Bernie is shameless to want to run again as a Dem.

[George II]

41. "He is also chair of Outreach for Senate Democrats."

Do you know what that entails?

[NurseJackie]

73. I do. And it ain't all that.

[George II]

74. ...

[liberalnarb]

53. What mind blowing delusion.

Bernie is despised by Dem voters? Speak for yourself.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. You got that right! Most of the Democrats I know absolutely LOVE Bernie and would

would be ecstatic if he ran again in 2020, especially after his last spectacular showing having started at 3% in the polls. Imagine what he could do if, like others candidates before him, Bernie's given a second chance to be the Democratic Party's, standard bearer.

[still_one]

77. His endorsements have been dismal at best. You can wear the blinders as much as you want, but MOST

OF THE DEMOCRATS I KNOW, have an exactly opposite opinion of Bernie, and I live in California.

[Gothmog]

93. Once Jerry Brown retires, I expect that California will adopt a ballot access law

If sanders wants to be on the ballot in a number of blue states, he will have to release his tax returns. I doubt that sanders will be running in 2020

[still_one]

111. I don't see too many changes occurring in California's voting system. I do agree with your

assessment though that Sanders most likely won't be running in 2020

[Gothmog]

92. Sanders will have to release tax returns in several blue states

There are a very large number of real Democrats who would not support sanders. I was a delegate at the national convention. There has been a great deal of discussion about the C-word. My youngest child was called this by sanders delegates at the national convention because she would not try to get me to change my vote. At one of the Jewish Caucus meetings we had a sanders supporter wearing a cross yell at us that we were bad Jews for not supporting sanders. On the first night of the convention, I was warned by my Whip that the Sanders delegates were going to boo Congressman John Lewis. This was a stunt planned in advanced and I was told that Sanders knew of the stunt and did not try to stop it. The Texas delegation shared a bus to the convention with the Georgia delegation. There were some very upset members of the Georgia delegation the next morning. That stunt will be easy to make into some fun ads if sanders attempts to run in Georgia or other states where Congressman John Lewis has fans.

I personally doubt that Sanders will try to run in 2020 unless the courts strike down the ballot access laws that are being adopted in a number of blue states that will require the release of tax returns. The Democrats in the states adopting these laws are aware that these laws will affect sanders and some may be supporting these laws with this in mind. If the Democrats take control of the House, trump's tax returns will be released and so trump will not have a reason to sue to block these laws.

Time will tell but I doubt that sanders will run. Time will tell but do not be surprised to find that a large number of real Democrats will not support sanders.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

100. You may be right and Bernie won't run. If he does, yes, he SHOULD release his tax returns

REGARDLESS of ballot access laws. We agree on that.

[Docreed2003]

141. Excellent post Gothmog!

Between hearing about this petty nonsense that was meant to silence a true Civil Rights hero and the things I have since learned about the Sanders' campaign in places like Georgia and South Carolina where they refused the help and counsel of civil rights leaders in those states, let's just say I've learned enough about Bernie to last a lifetime.
Enough that I know I was a damn fool to ever have supported him!

(Your stories from the convention only solidify that!!)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. These negative Bernie bashing memes are getting tiresome.

[Gothmog]

123. Are you admitting that sanders is NOT universally loved by real democrats?

The claim that sanders would have no troubile running in 2020 is simply not true. There are a large number of real democrats who will never support ssnders if there is a real democrat on the ballot

[Gothmog]

98. I agree with you on this

There are a very large number of real democrats who will not welcome sanders.

[xmas74]

37. Why would they embrace him?

He's not a Democrat. Why should he be allowed to run as one?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Because, even though Bernie's not technically registered as a Democrat, he votes, campaigns & leads

like the progressive Democrat he embodies.

[xmas74]

86. Still not a Democrat.

I'm a Democrat. I pledge to vote for Democrats, not non Democrats who run as one for the perks. If they run as a Democrat and declare themselves to be then I will donate and will campaign.

This "I'm an Independent but I usually vote with Democrats" is a bunch of crap. If you vote with Democrats and align yourself with them then change your affiliation and become a Democrat. If the candidate refuses they should get no support or money. That money belongs to those that are real Democrats.

In no other club or organization could a person get away with not becoming a member but demanding the privilege of a member. The money and support belongs to the members who have put themselves on the line for the party, campaign for the party, fundraise for the party. It should not go to people who do not hold membership.

It would be like me, a Daughter of Ruth (Methodist) going to the Daughters of Isabella and telling them that even though I'm in a different club I kinda like what they're doing and I want it too-but I don't want to convert and actually join your group. They would be offended and rightly so. An independent who wants the umbrella of the Democratic party and the support without becoming a Democrat is offensive to many who campaign, who volunteer, who fundraise. It should not be allowed.

[BannonsLiver]

49. I agree completely

If he runs I want to see him lose fair and square.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. I think the 2020 race IS going to be fair and square, in which case, what ever happens happens.

But, I do think that Bernie would knock people's socks off, even more than he did the last time - perhaps, what some centrist Democrats are afraid of - and that his time has come.

[NurseJackie]

69. Ha!

[Gothmog]

99. Do you really believe that sanders will ever release his tax returns?

I personally do not believe that sanders will run because he will have to release his tax returns to get onto the ballot in a number of important blue states. Maryland has already adopted such a ballot access law. New Jersey and California both adopted such laws but these bills were vetoed by governors who will not be there by the time 2020 runs around

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. I believe Bernie absolutely SHOULD release at least 5 years of tax returns.

[Gothmog]

106. You did not answer my question

Do you really believe that sanders WILL release his tax returns? So far he has refused to do so

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

157. Yup.

[Demsrule86]

152. He needs to release 10...5 would only cover about a year before the last presidential...

we need more transparency...why didn't he do it before? I don't want any surprises should he won the nomination.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

155. If Bernie wins the nomination, having released 10 years of tax returns as you suggest...

no doubt, others here will criticize him for not having released 15, 20, or, hell, all of his tax returns dating back to high school summer jobs. I'd be fine with 10 years, though I think 5 years is enough... but, when it comes to Bernie, let's be honest, for some here, nothing will EVER be good enough.

[Demsrule86]

167. five years is not good enough as it is only one year before 16...I want to know why he

didn't release them in the first place. I don't want an October surprise from the GOP. We need to win this election. I would prefer he not run at all.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

169. Like that could really happen...

Can't remember the last time a Democrat nominee for President had an October surprise.

[Demsrule86]

170. Very funny!

haha

[Gothmog]

118. 2016 was a fair and square race

It was sad that sanders refused ro release his tax returns. In 2020' sanders will have to release his tax reurns if he wants on the ballot

[NastyRiffraff]

160. :snicker:

"Bernie would knock people's socks off" This isn't a Dances With the Stars contest.

[Me.]

54. Why Would He Have THe Support Of Dem Majority?

1. Not a Dem

2. Won't release tax returns

3. Has no solutions

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. I think Bernie WILL release his tax returns, should he decide to run again...

I would be surprised, and disappointed, if he didn't.

[Gothmog]

101. It will not be his choice

Sanders will have to release his tax returns to get onto the ballot in some key blue states.

Sanders did not care if people were disappointed in 2016 but in 2020 sanders will not have a choice

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. It's the right thing to do, regardless of ballot access laws.

[Gothmog]

105. And yet sanders did not do this in past elections

I read the Vermont election code and was amused to see that all candidates except federal candidates have to release their tax returns to be on the ballot in Vermont. It is curious to see that only sanders is exempted from this requirement

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

117. Looking to the future, I expect Bernie will do the right thing in this regard, should he run again.

[Gothmog]

119. Why did sanders refused to release tax returns in the past?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

163. I recall Bernie did release at least one tax return... if he runs again, he should release more.

[Gothmog]

164. No sanders never released any tax returns

Sanders is evidently worried about what is jn these returns

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

166. Bernie has "never released any tax returns"? Oh, really?

So not true, he most certainly did... now you're making up your own facts and taking Bernie bashing to a whole new level. Please stop it... thank you!

[Hortensis]

162. I confess I don't understand people who stayed

loyal to Sanders, InA, who didn't gasp in shock at his actions and walk long ago, who supported what was very wrong and thus, to my mind, became complicit in those actions. How did democracy itself become discardable?

[Gothmog]

165. Denial is not just a river in Africa

[Wwcd]

28. "Hillary's more centrist positions" is a repeated campaign meme to divide the voter block, you reali

Had you read any of her policy platforms you would have seen just how left of center she was.

But don't let the truth get in the way of Money & Media, afterall it took an entire foreign criminal enterprise years of planning the many methods necessary to seat themselves in our gov't.

They literally had to silence Hillary completely & run a pseudo campaign of Media smears & lies and create an entirely different image of her than the one she actually is.
They manipulated & bought everyone necessary to pull off this coup on our US govt.
WHY?
Because she is everything they are not.
They would have never had the chance to move this gov't to fascism had they not defeated her.

Yet she STILL won the vote of the people.

Bernie never made it passed the primary so I don't know why he would suddenly be the choice of the Dem Party when we have so many fine & future thinking, educated choices, who have proven dedication to our Party platform, in supporting & lifting ALL in the name of human rights.

Sorry, I just don't see where, in his long political history qualifies him as the great healing leader we will need post-Trump, & campaign photo ops look good on a TV ad, but the heart of the ability to unite & mend is where he drew the line for himself.
He divided a populace of many races, means, needs & desires.

He won over some but he will never ever have the majority he needs to be the leader of the Democratic Party & Warren's coattails aren't even long enough to stand him next to her as VP, if thats what is being suggested.

She knows better, Ask Emily's List & the many women's organisations that are working in the shadow of Media lights, to rise up & elect women candidates, qualified to lead & make sound choices in gov't.

Bernie Sanders will never have their endorsement.
His lack of history alone on women's rights & women's dignity spoke to that years ago.

[mcar]

48. +1000!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. If your standard is now to dismiss Bernie as a 2020 candidate just because he lost his 1st primary

... after an incredible showing no less, just think of all the qualified candidates whom that standard would have knocked out of consideration. Bernie has proven himself to be a more than capable candidate and deserves to be among the front runners and favorites for the 2020 nomination... should be decide to run, of course.

[NurseJackie]

70. ...

[progressoid]

80. "Bernie Sanders will never have their endorsement"

Well, since Emily's list only endorses women, that would be a given.

[sprinkleeninow]

104. "She is everything they are not."

I've stated this myself. To the point.

[Docreed2003]

138. Well Emily's list should be thrown under the bus

Clearly! If they won't support such a fine candidate for all of us that deserves no criticism like Bernie...



(Excellent Post BTW).

[still_one]

75. NO. Sanders WILL divide Democrats, and it is time for him to hang up his presidential ambitions.

The bad feelings from 2016 are NOT going away, and those Hillary Democrats do NOT forget what happened.

If Sanders really cares about the country instead of his own ego, he will stay in Vermont

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

84. Any "divide" has zip to do with Bernie... time to move on & focus on what unites us as Democrats.

That's what Bernie is doing... should follow his lead.

[still_one]

112. I won't get into a flame war with you except to say your assessment is wrong, and if you

really want to move on, you don't do it with the nominees in 2016.

You think I am wrong, just look at the posts here and on sites like JPR

You want to move on and have Democrats united, you do it with new people

Whether one likes it or not, what happened in 2016 is not forgotten

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

114. So if Hillary decides she wants to run again in 2020, you also would be against HER doing so?

I personally would have no problem with Hillary, Bernie, or BOTH running again, it's a free democracy... Let the best ideas and articulaters of those ideas win.

[Gothmog]

121. I would support any real democrat over sanders

I personally want Joe Biden.

[still_one]

144. Yes, without hesitation. That is the only way to move forward from what happened in 2016

The fact is though Hillary isn't going to run, and I doubt very much that Bernie will either

[lapucelle]

96. Here's a side-by-side visual from On The Issues.org.

of the relative political ideologiesl of E Warren and HRC

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

8. Please can we get someone younger?

What's with all these candidates older than 65? Warren is 68 already. I think we'd do much better to run a youthful candidate against Trump. A woman would be great, but I think we will lose running a woman again. Too much sexism out there still. A man in about his 40's would be ideal. Best if was in the military too. That's the kind of person we need to run against Trump.

[Wwcd]

9. Thank you. A passing of the great Dem torch would be refreshing

[Eliot Rosewater]

45. There are PLENTY of reasons to be against you know who without using age.

Nancy is older as well but she is probably one of the top , smartest and toughest politicians in America.

In a perfect world I would want someone younger, of course.

But this is far from that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. I'm all for younger politicians entering the field of potential Democratic candidates for Prez...

but can we please stop with the ageism?!

[Garrett78]

25. The human mind and body does break down. And we need someone with more charisma, in my opinion.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

171. Yes 👍 n/t

[phylny]

26. I agree.

And as a woman, I agree with you. I'd like to see us run a woman as VP and a man as President. I'm a feminist and would love to see a woman president in my lifetime, but we need to win this first.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

172. Yeah, I agree.

I'm also a woman and feminist, but also a realist. What's important is getting someone in there who is going to look out for all of us. Who is most electable right now? That's who we need to run. Having a female VP is a great way to warm people up to the idea of a female president. Unfortunately, I know a bunch of people who wouldn't vote for Hillary just because she was a woman. I think it shows sexism is more in grained in American culture than racism.

[monmouth4]

10. I love the idea of Biden/Obama...nt

[SFnomad]

11. If Obama won as VP, it would get tied up in the courts

It depends on how the 12th and 22nd amendments are interpreted. And the courts have not done that ... yet.

[treestar]

30. That would be nuts

In theory Obama could be Veep but the Speaker would then be second in line. That is not good as there is no guarantee the Speaker wouldn't be a Repub.

[Tarc]

36. Most constitutional scholars hold that a 2-term prez is ineligible to be VP

I'd rather not chase pipe dreams that would lead through murky political waters. We have to have a newer generation step up.

[Gothmog]

143. I would love to see Joe Biden run

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

158. Joe missed his "golden opportunity" to continue with 8 more years of the Obama agenda...

Understandable, of course, given the personal tragedy in his life at the time... just sad when one thinks of what could of been, instead of that disaster that's occupying the White House today. Given what the American people knew about that racist, fascist POS, I still can't believe it was even that close of an election that it could flipped by Russian collusion and interference. Maybe Joe's the answer this time around, I'm not sure... but, let's first see if he decides to even run.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

12. Kick

[stevenleser]

17. I'm open to backing any non-divisive registered Democrat. And Warren wouldnt have it any other way

Warren was smart enough to see that the bigger danger to Democrats wasn't Trump and the Republicans, it was divisiveness, it was a hateful and spiteful and unreasonable attack on the party and its institutions.

And she acted accordingly with her endorsement.

[Wwcd]

31. Thank You. That's exactly who Warren is.

I don't believe she'll run for Pres but her voice will be one for healing the great bs divide.

She gives a shit about the future of America & its Govt.
Others don't so much.

[seaglass]

35. Yeah, except she said the primary was rigged against Bernie. She's my Senator and I

will gladly vote for her for Senator again but that statement was unacceptable. The only way I would vote for her in a presidential primary is if her only competitors were Biden and/or Sanders.

Also the author of this article is is Amie Parnes.

[Wwcd]

83. True about the rigged thing. We all know why & where that

claim originated.
The source & the timing certainly moved one serious item quickly off the news page & turned the focus again, to a negative view of the Dem Party.
Rinse repeat. We watched it happen.

I have no idea why someone of Warren's stature would compromise her position, only to later fully endorse hrc.
Weird, yes.
But that was then & we are asked to look to 2020 with no answering for the shenanagins played in 2016.
Nothing to see here..move along.
Doubt we'll ever hear a word, except thru Muellers findings someday. I expect justice.

I believe the entire Dem focus is on 2018 at this point, since without a sweep this year, 2020 will not be kind to this country.

This will be a tough & steady run for this fall, everything is on the line & with bots trolls & billions of dollars, Money & Media & false gods of the fringe, who will do all they can to keep the negative messaging aimed straight at the great Democratic Party, to keep us from a majority, but it will be the faith in what we know we stand for that will pull us thru in the end.

Appreciate the message of your post, seaglass

[DFW]

19. I agree with Howard Dean on this subject

He said back in 2009 that he thought a presidential nominee (and incoming president) should be an exceptional 50-ish person. He wasn't opposed to any one person (as witnessed by his early endorsement of Hillary), but someone with the relative youth and dynamism of Obama would have been his preference. A Sanders candidacy wasn't even on the radar then, so he can't be accused of speaking any more than generally.

I believe Sen. Warren when she says she isn't running. I think anything else is wishful thinking by the Bernie-but-Democrat crowd, and they are not idiots--they realize that a third party run from the left in 2020 means a "GOP Captures White House Again" headline the day after the election. No one likes riding their principles off a cliff more than we do.

I think our best chances are with a Democratic equivalent of Justin Trudeau, should we have such an individual interested in running. If we do, I have no idea at this point who that might be, and frankly, I'm glad I don't. The longer it takes for our nominee to emerge, the less target practice it provides the evil empire (also known as the G.O.Putin).

[Blue_true]

52. Kamala Harris, Tammi Duckworth, Amy Klobuchar, Joe Kennedy III, Julian Castro, Jacquain Castro

fit the bill nicely.

[Wwcd]

85. And every one of them comes with stellar creds in policy, education, & a history

of Democratic solidarity.

They well know who & what they represent.
Not a question about that!

Any from your list would have the knowledge & will & strong united Party support to restore America to its place of honor & dignity with our foreign allies & create a fully functioning govt that serves who it was meant to.
It's people.

[xmas74]

88. I love everything about this list.

If we have that wealth of candidates we'd have a fantastic primary season, hopefully with incredible policy debates in the public eye.

[Totally Tunsie]

89. Can we add Adam Schiff to this list? n/t

[workinclasszero]

20. I could support her but

she has said many times she isn't interested.

[leftstreet]

21. A female candidate can't beat Trump

No one likes to hear that, but it is what it is

A virtually unknown Democratic governor or rep, white, male, 50ish could probably do it

If you can't find one, better run Tom Hanks or something

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. Not what it is... Elizabeth, Nancy, Maxine, among other women, would crush BLOTUS.

[Garrett78]

27. I'm hopeful that Kamala Harris will kick his ass in 2020.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

71. That seems like a pretty sexist thing to say...

And I think Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, among other strong women, could easily win not only the Democratic Party nomination, but also defeat the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief going away.

[leftstreet]

124. Not at all

it's just realistic and it's just politics

The women you mention would be fine candidates. They just can't beat Trump

[pnwmom]

91. A woman DID beat Trump -- by 2.9 million votes.

All she would have needed were under 80K more in three states with massive voter-suppression, and she would have won.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

116. She sure did. Don't understand how some can so easily dismiss women candidates in this day and age.

[workinclasszero]

126. Some people tend to forget that fact

sigh...

[AlexSFCA]

130. never forget that a black guy was elected twice

so gender is even less of an issue because women are the majority in this country.

[leftstreet]

154. Over McCain and Romney

This thread is about beating Trump

[Blue_Tires]

34. Can we get 2018 out of the way first? Please??

[xmas74]

38. Exactly

We have too much to do right now.

We need boots on the ground.

[mountain grammy]

110. Agree!

If we don't take back Congress, forget 2020.

[smirkymonkey]

39. No, just no.

I think Warren is doing a great job as senator, but she is not presidential material. She had a hard time winning the liberal state of Massachusetts. She is good at what she does, but she has no charisma and tends to be rather grating. She comes across as a scolding schoolmarm. Sorry, but it's true. I voted for her and I support her as senator, but she would never win as president. She would get the Hillary treatment all over again.

We can do better than this, even if we have to run someone who is less experienced, but who can get people excited to get out and vote, that is what we should do. Trump had NO experience and he won. We need to stop holding ourselves to such ridiculous standards. I hate to admit it, but in a way, it's a big popularity contest. On this board, we pay attention to candidates and their stance on the issues, but most Americans don't. They go with their gut. That is how Trump got elected.

[NanceGreggs]

55. I agree.

Warren's temperament is perfect for a senator - but that doesn't translate into being good presidential material.

[Blue_Adept]

140. As a MA resident as well, 100% agree

And that's even before wanting to have to deal with MA being raked over the coals again nationally with another candidate from here.

I'm a big advocate of Warren and vote for her without issue, but she's not right for a national campaign at all.

[GulfCoast66]

42. Hillary's centrist positions?

That one sentence, in my opinion, is the reason this screed was written. Total rubbish.

More poisoning the well by people who do not wish the Democratic Party nor its members well.

[Wwcd]

43. Indeed. Thanks for the reminder of buyer beware.

What this article is selling is a big bunch of divisive bs.

Appreciate your post

[R B Garr]

50. Exactly. It is just proof of the repetition smear game.

So transparent and bogus.

[NCTraveler]

79. It's how Fox does it.

Get the one thought you want out there, then build a story around it. Another way to say Clinton allies is Democratic Party. It’s really an all encompassing shot.

[lapucelle]

90. Here's a side-by-side visual from On The Issues.org.

of the relative political ideologiesl of E Warren and HRC

[workinclasszero]

128. I posted that info on Hillary more than once during the primaries

Lots of people still disputed the facts then and it seems today as well. SMH

[mvd]

62. I'd support her, too.

It's a good sign if both the Hillary and Bernie backers like her. No one knows for sure how her temperament would be until Warren started campaigning.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

76. Heck yeah.

Warren/Schiff

[NCTraveler]

78. Allies of Hillary Clinton?

That covers most of the party.

[Wwcd]

87. Lol. Pretty much, right. Who is the author of this promo piece anyway?

Questionable, at best.

[YOHABLO]

81. Warren is gutsy and goes after the most corrupt org. in the U.S. .. the banking industry

[mvd]

161. Yes, that is the biggest difference between her and..

some of the centrists talked about (including Hillary.) She is also open to single payer and the $15 minimum wage. She's not quite as dovish as Bernie (my favorite) on foreign policy, but I am not going to be very choosy this time as long as we win. We need to end this Trump madness first.

[lapfog_1]

82. I hope they enthusiastically support the Democratic nominee for President

whoever that might be. They want to support Warren in the primaries, fine... but come the general they better not sit on their hands (or wallets) no matter who wins the primary.

Right now... I don't have a favorite. I hope someone emerges who I end up liking a great deal... but I'm donating and voting for WHOEVER wins.

[Gothmog]

94. I really like Joe Biden but would support Warren

I would support any real Democrat. I would support anyone but Sanders in the primary but I personally do not think that sanders will be running om 2020

[stevenleser]

109. I think if people want someone who can bring all the wings of the party together, is young and

a great speaker, they should consider Pete Buttigieg.

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[TexasTowelie]

132. +1

[Initech]

113. I'm for anyone who will send the criminals packing.

[ooky]

122. Warren would do that.

[underthematrix]

120. Welp. Here's my take as an African American woman

We can't win with Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders or Vice President Joe Biden. They're too old and divisive. The only person we can win with Rep Joe Kennedy III. I'm going to try my best to explain. We need to run a young attractive well educated white guy. We need an American Prince Harry. Rep Joe Kennedy is our American Prince Harry. He could make it cool to be progressive, white and male.

Right now, the most visible white brand is angry white, bitter, resentful and racist.We need to offer an alternative to that negative messaging. We need a white guy who can bring white men into the party. We need a beautiful well educated white woman (Kennedy's wife is a health care policy attorney) who can bring in white women who see their men as powerless in a multicultural multi ethnic multi racial world. I want to run the person who can win because it means restoring, improving, expanding the the ACA. It means restoring women's access to reproductive healthcare. It means strengthening public education. It means getting back into the Paris Climate agreement. It means getting family friendly immigration and gunsense policies enacted into law. It means restoring and strengthening the Voting Rights Act.

We need to separate what we want from what we need to win. I would love to have a female president but what we need to win is an attractive well educated white male with a pretty wife and two adorable children.

This could change if Trump and his cabal are indicted before the midterms. That would mean President Obama and Vice President Biden would have to return to the WHITE HOUSE. This is the scenario I do not want.

[DonCoquixote]

127. we are nowhere near 2020

and if we do not focus on 2018 we will hate where we are in 2020.

as far as warren, sanders or for that matter a Yellow Dog, I do nto care who we run as long as we play to win, and yes, warren and sanders were not the darlings of the clinton set, but if Hillary os open to using them to beat trump, why can't we all be?

[AlexSFCA]

129. As long as Bernie stays completely out of it

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he’s done enough damage already

[OnDoutside]

131. If Warren and Sanders did run, wouldn't that effectively split the vote, if a good

Centrist emerged ?

[bobGandolf]

135. I believe Warren will ...

suffer the same fate Clinton did. She has many positive attributes, but also some negative attributes.

[BeyondGeography]

136. How noble of them

[Cha]

137. Elizabeth is not divisive.. I can see why

Hillary's allies would like her.

She did endorse Hillary wholeheartedly and that counts for a lot.

Elizabeth also endorsed Richard Cordray instead of Dennis..

[kcr]

146. Of course they are.

The idea that Hillary and her supporters are all centrist/GOP-lite/corporatist shills is Rovian spin crafted by a bunch of sexist pundits and eagerly used by many to suit their agendas. It's the reason Trump is sitting in office right now.

[jcgoldie]

149. She would certainly have the support of this Clinton backer

[joshcryer]

150. I believe this is a trial balloon.

[LSFL]

156. I would prefer a candidate who is a bit younger.

It is time to pass the torch to those who will be living for decades with the consequences of today's decisions.

[StevieM]

168. I plan on supporting Tom Steyer for president in 2020.

I would be open to voting for Elizabeth Warren but she has said she is not running.