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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:16 PM Jun 2018

Samantha Bee's message was right even if her word wasn't

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/31/opinions/samantha-bees-message-was-right-even-if-her-word-wasnt-drexler/index.html

Samantha Bee's message was right even if her word wasn't
By Peggy Drexler

Updated 9:49 AM ET, Fri June 1, 2018

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Although she apologized Wednesday — sincerely, it seems -- for using the word about the President's daughter, in truth, perhaps the biggest problem with her calling first daughter Ivanka Trump a "feckless c***" Wednesday night on her TBS show "Full Frontal" is that the comedian undercut her own message.
The point Bee was attempting to make was that Ivanka Trump, a close presidential adviser, should be held accountable for her failure to influence her father to end his cruel immigration policies, which include separating immigrant parents from children.

As such, the overall point was valid: Sitting idly by when you're in a position to help is as bad as carrying out the actions yourself.

What sent Bee over the edge though, it seems, was Ivanka's tone-deaf tweet Sunday in which the first daughter pictured herself cuddling with her 2-year-old son Theodore, even as reports swirled that the government had lost track of some 1,500 immigrant children it had placed with sponsors in recent years.

Of course, all anyone really heard was "feckless c***!" The word is shocking. That was why Bee used it: to be provocative and impossible to ignore. She could have used a safer word. But these are not safe times.
And it's certainly not the first time Ivanka has presented herself in a particularly tone-deaf way. In January, she tweeted about "Oprah's empowering & inspiring speech" at the Golden Globes, including the hashtag #TimesUp, even as her father stood accused of sexually assaulting 20 women, which he denies. Her 2017 book, "Women Who Work," an ostensible celebration of working women, was released even as her father lobbied against equal pay. And who can forget when she used her "60 Minutes" appearance to plug her jewelry line? It seems, sometimes, like she is courting rebuke.

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The real fact of this matter is that if Ivanka Trump is going to be part of this administration and complicit with the policies that Bee and others denounce, she -- and her defenders — are going to have to be able to absorb the same level of hate it dishes out.

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Issuing an ancient title of respect was not really what Bee was going for. But there was, undoubtedly, a quest for power in using the word to express the anger and frustration she, and so many Americans, feel.
We now live in a country so degraded and compromised — in which the rage of so many is so great -- that we're using unprintable words to describe our leaders. Let's remember that. Let's not make those words the focus when it's really the actions those words rage against with which we should take the greatest issue.
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Samantha Bee's message was right even if her word wasn't (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2018 OP
twat would've been a better word donkeypoofed Jun 2018 #1
It was stupid of her highmindedhavi Jun 2018 #2
Don't go to Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales, or Australia, then maxsolomon Jun 2018 #4
She was stupid to use the word. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2018 #3
Ersatz outrage is conservative stock in trade gratuitous Jun 2018 #5

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
1. twat would've been a better word
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:20 PM
Jun 2018

It wouldn't have gotten people.so riled up.

Also - I agree with Bee, Ivanka should wear something tight and low cut, and then go into her dad's office and speak up on behalf of children !

PS - I'd luv to know how many trumpers had to Google the word "feckless" !!! Hahahaha

 

highmindedhavi

(355 posts)
2. It was stupid of her
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:23 PM
Jun 2018

her ratings are down, she can't afford to lose any more advertisers, and no woman should ever be called that.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
4. Don't go to Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales, or Australia, then
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jun 2018

it's every 4th word over there.

My wife contends that women can call other women "Cunt", but men can't call women that.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Ersatz outrage is conservative stock in trade
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:58 PM
Jun 2018

If Bee hadn't called Kushner a cunt, the conservawhackos would have either ignored Bee's comments or made up some other reason to discount the beastly inhumanity shown by Kushner. By seizing on a word, they get to pretend to be all offended by it, and gloss over Kushner's actual insensitivity, an insensitivity that (unlike saying cunt) does actual, real world life-and-death damage to living human beings.

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