Goddamn it! The new primary voting procedures are

[busterbrown]

creating a nightmare in California..This could be catastrophic in our attempt to regain control of the House.. I mean common sense would tell us that are chances should be very good, Cali is one of the key states needed to pick up seats.

The problem is that Cali is now under a Top 2 Priority System which was adopted back in 2010 that dispenses with party labels.. Meaning Top 2 primary positions will be selected only by the number of votes they attain... Read the link to get specifics.. From the Atlantic..

Meanwhile another depressing day for me... Trump smiling all day..Positive Economic and Unemployment numbers which we all know has little to do with his policies.. His Pardons are frightening for obvious reasons..Mostly because he sees himself as an Emperor. and at this point I have to wonder if he's gonna ever be reigned in..and Disposed!

And now this tidbit.. Yes the article does state that it presents serious problems for both Repubs and Dems. in Cali... I'd be curious what you guys think..Do most of you know about this Issue. Man Why wasn't I going nuts back in 2010....I think the Dems. have so much more to lose.. Mc Carthy is full of Shit...Please read..

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/california-top-two-jungle-primary-democrats-republicans/561689/

[redstateblues]

1. Whose idea was it to go with the "jungle primary"?

You guys need to change that.

[RandySF]

4. It was a ballot measure

[busterbrown]

5. fucking Ballot..

Listen I admit I dropped the ball.. Of course I voted in 2010.. I forgot about the proposition..

[PoliticAverse]

8. Article from 2009 that explains how it came about...

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-1n20primary004711-open-primary-proposal-could-shak-2009feb20-story.html

[still_one]

11. It was a proposition on the ballot pushed by the so-called self-identified enlightened left, which

helped push this crap through, and also allowed those who are not registered Democrats to vote in the Democratic primary

The populous did not grasp the full implication of this, and it passed

Ironically it does not apply to Presidential races

So right now we have 20+ candidates running for governor, and the same running for Swnate

Very easy for someone to make a mistake

and all these wonderful candidates who don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of winning jump into Various district and state races whose only point they will prove is in republican districts giving republicans a much better chance that the top two vote getters in a Republican district will be republicans, because the Democrats, independents, and third party candidates will take votes away from each other

It was the same crap that caused Gray Davis to get recalled and Arnold to slip in

No I wouldn’t be too optimistic about taking back the house, especially because this semi open primary will make it that much more difficult, but the Our Revolution gang sure likes it

It isn’t just California where crap like this happens. In an Illinois district an extremely right wing Democrat, Lipinski, won the open primary against the progressive Democratic because republicans crossed over and voted for Lipinski

Open primaries are even worse in helping Democrats lose. Lipinski as an example is a true DINO. He votes 95% with republicans, and that election was so close where the progressive Democrat lost by only 1 to 2%

It also won’t be that easy to change this back, because those independents, third party, and those who don’t want to affiliate with a political party need to pull their collectives heads out of their asses and realize this not only can act as a spoiler against Democrats in California, but can actually make it easier for a Trump, David duke, or a very bad person to get in

It is a perfect example of Democracy by mob rule, and why the initiative process erodes representative government, with which this country was based, and acts as a safety valve

[mythology]

13. 36% of the time

He votes with Republicans 36% of the time. Which is nowhere near 95%.

It is flat out dishonest to claim that any Democratic elected official votes with Republicans a majority of the time, much less 95% of the time. Facts matter.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/daniel-lipinski/

[DonCoquixote]

2. now all the GOP has too do

is find a few billionaires to piss money into a toilet, and there may be NO democrats.

[RandySF]

3. I'm going to piss people off right now

You need to vote the following to make sure we have a Dem in November.

CA-39: Gil Cisneros

CA-48: Harley Rouda

CA-49: Sara Jacobs

[busterbrown]

6. Working my ass off right now! n/t

[Garrett78]

7. Some just need to drop the ego and drop out.

I've posted this before: https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/15/republicans-start-to-wise-up-will-democrats-follow/

[redstateblues]

16. Time for some discipline

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. Republicans planted this in our system because it ONLY helps them

But when I talk about it around here I get a WHOLE LOT of push back but I know why, trust me, I know why.

sigh

[still_one]

12. It wasn't just republicans, the Green Party, and so called self identified liberal who didn't want

to be part of the Democratic Party pushed this hard, thinking it would give them an advantage over the do-called establishment. A lot of people were conned by this, after Davis was recalled it is becoming apparent it is a disaster, but will be very difficult to undo

[Blue_true]

15. The Greens are a problem in every deep blue state.

As soon as our party establishes dominance, they start throwing turds into the punchbowl.

[still_one]

21. Whether we like it or not the country is based on a two party system for the foreseeable future, and

it would serve progressives who don't want to be part of the Democratic party to become Democrats, and work within the Democratic then to go to a third party, where the best they can hope to accomplish is a spoiler

[BigmanPigman]

10. I am voting for Antonio Villaraigosa /Dem(13%) with numbers close to Cox/GOP (20%).

That way Gavin, who is far ahead of Villaraigosa, will have to run against a Dem. Then two Dems can run in Nov (Antonio and Gavin Newsom) and they I will vote for Gavin.

[still_one]

14. In my view that is the problem. I voted for Newsom without hesitation. It is those strategic games

that are part of the problem

If Newsom runs against a Republican he’ll win, however with 27 candidates for governor, and people playing the same strategic games, it becomes more of a crap shoot in the GE

Without hesitation I am voting for Newsom in the primary and general

I vote for someone who I believe will be a good governor, not because I am afraid he would lose against the Republican

If I felt that way he wouldn’t be a good candidate

In this case it may not matter, but people are playing with fire by doing this

[Blue_true]

17. I have no idea of what you are implying.

Of the 27 candidates, 23 don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the top two slots. I honestly many democrats that the route that was suggested earlier, vote for a democrat to get two Dems into November.

[still_one]

19. It probably won't in the governor's race THIS time, unless of course people get confused by the 27

candidates, but in key republican districts where the Democrats may have a chance in the midterms, too many Democrats are running against each other, and with far less republicans running in those races, the Democrats will take votes away from each, and increase that the top two vote getters in those districts will be republicans.

I don't know if you have seen the ballot, but 27 candidates are NOT listed in any particular order, and I suspect there will be confusion by those who go to the polls.

Hell, in 2016 those who wanted to vote in the Democratic primary, but weren't Democrats, were confused by the NPP, (No Party Preference) designation.

Open Primaries hurt the Democratic party in states like California, and too many Democratic candidates in districts like Nunes an,d Rohrabacher, hurt the Democratic party's chances in those district.

The recall of Gray Davis is a perfect example of how Schwarzenegger got in.

In Illinois Dan Lipinski won against Newman, a progressive Democrat because of republican cross-over votes in the Democratic primary.

In 2016 the republican party had so many candidates, and no one would "yield", they stayed in the race too long, and trump won the nominations, because the other repuke candidates killed each other off.


A similar thing has a good chance to play out in those republican districts because the Democrats running in those districts are going to take votes away from each other.


If we had a parliamentary system I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this, but that is not how it is. For better or worse we have a two party system.

People can play the game as they desire, but I will vote for the candidate I want to be governor in both the primary and GE, and that is Newsom

[RhodeIslandOne]

18. I agree

Just vote for who you want. Newsom will win going away in the primary and November. Who cares who finishes second?

[still_one]

20. I think we are looking for trouble when we start playing these strategic games, and having an open

primary for these primary elections, make it even more susceptible to political games and cross over votes that can really mess things up