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(4,407 posts)being all males. That's like only asking the two on the right about using the "N" word...
Docreed2003
(16,861 posts)He drops the n-word regularly.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)sure wouldn't fly today.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,547 posts)Docreed2003
(16,861 posts)And I say that as a huuuuge Bruce fan.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,547 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Floyd R. Turbo
(26,547 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)How a slur against a POC or woman feels to a person from those groups?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Extra points to those who know who she is and why I posted her photo ...
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Not shocking on network TV, but I imagine she was at comedy clubs.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)The same with Redd Foxx, Flip Wilson, Pigmeat Marcum and other comedians who were waaaaayyyy to raunchy for television but sanitized their acts for the mainstream.
But Moms was one of a kind. Fearless. Badass. Openly lesbian back in the 20s and 30s and dared anyone to tell her to give a shit.
My parents used to throw parties and after everyone had plenty to drink, they'd pull out the "party records" - the ones we kids weren't allowed to listen to.
We'd sneak out of bed and sit at the top of the steps and listen. You have never HEARD anything as funny as these comedians. Filthy as hell, but funnier than anything I have ever heard since.
And a lot of their humor involved making fun of white people. Anyone who gets the vapors over "Wypipo" should make a point of never, ever going near a Redd Foxx routine. But as with Wypipo, the point of this humor was not to demean or diminish white people. It was (and is) an expression of people's reality, their truth. And it was not just an important and valuable coping tool for oppressed people, it was an essential safety valve that kept a lot of people from exploding.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
-- Langston Hughes
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,547 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Piss, shit, fuck, ____, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,547 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)But I get your point, I am huge fans of all 3 and as to Richy and George am familiar with practically everything they did.
What matters NOW is Sam Bee is a GREAT person, AWESOME person and I dont care if she calls a HORRID, VILE, disgusting monster of a human being a name, I dont care at all.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)There was a hellova lot she said that I didn't like, but I would love her opinion on this.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Funny, original, pointed and blunt.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Then she just got mean and not funny.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Unless it's being used by RadFems truly reclaiming the word by trying to change its meaning -- like when Bee highlighted the female politicians getting hit with tons of hateful comments from male sports fans about a stadium. Highlighting all the great things each had done (and one especially creative death threat each had received as the "Seattle Seawards"....
THAT'S reclaiming. Even in her opening where she referred to it in the anatomical sense before getting into it to make sure people got the pun, that's not weaponizing it against other women.
For male personal safety, I definitely wouldn't recommend a guy using the word towards or about a woman. Even in fictional GoT that earned Jaime a slap from Cersei, and again this is the show that seems to potentially be doing what the authors of the 2008 anti-McCain short "He Said It First" by "repeating a despicable word enough and making it part of the national vocabulary".
But I still don't like to use it, or see it used by other women, as the weaponized insult such as a man means when he says it. Even in the most negative way a person of African-American descent might use the n-word about another black person, meaning it to be insulting, there's the sense of "brother" still behind it, even in the sense of "brother I want to smack upside the head" depending on context.
The only word we've reclaimed even that far, where there has some small echo of "sister" when said by one woman to or about another, is the b-word. Even from woman to woman, the c-word has no connotation of sisterhood, even the tiniest echo. In fact, it's almost exclusively, if used by a woman about a woman, to express *anti*-sisterhood. Women unworthy of being humanized enough even to be the sister we want to smack upside the head.
magicarpet
(14,154 posts)See link below,
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)forthemiddle
(1,379 posts)That would have been acceptable?
I am kind of sick of the normalization of misogyny because someone on our side did it.