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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 05:56 PM Jun 2018

WTF, Mark Warner?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/wtf-mark-warner?ref=home

WTF, Mark Warner?
The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee sounds like he wants to wind down its probe this year. No matter what context you put that in, that’s a terrible idea.
Michael Tomasky
05.31.18 3:52 PM ET

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I first got wind of this from a Bloomberg report Wednesday afternoon that carried the ominous and extremely unsettling headline: “Russia Probes Wouldn’t Expand If Democrats Win Congress, Warner Says.”

Uh… what? The top Senate Democrat on the Russia investigation actually said in effect that the Democrats, if they captured the Senate this November, wouldn’t even continue the probe once they took over? The write-up also quoted Warner directly as seeming to equate partisan pressures on the committee from left and right, and expressing the view that Americans “will be tired of it if this is not wound down in this calendar year.”


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To promise not to investigate this president into the next calendar year because the people will be tired of it is to promise not to perform the duty of protecting the Constitution. Warner, like every senator, took an oath of office that begins: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...” [my italics].

We can begin to see now where this is headed. Mueller will indeed, it’s my guess, work into next year, perhaps well into next year; he looks like he has lots of rocks still to turn over (will Warner criticize him for going on too long?). He will issue a report that may not call for indicting a sitting president but that could well be sweeping and devastating in all kinds of ways. If it’s illegal and this crowd didn’t do it, it’s only because they didn’t think of it or didn’t have the time.

At that point will commence a ferocious pushback campaign to destroy Mueller, his team, his findings, everything. You say that’s already started? It has, but next year it’s going to be like nothing we’ve seen so far.

That’s when Warner and his colleagues, the Republican ones especially, are going to have to take a stand in defense of the law. I think we know how much we ought to count on the Republicans. That will put all the more weight on the shoulders of the Democrats, especially the one who might be chairing the most relevant Senate committee. Protecting the Constitution takes as long as it takes, whether people “tire of it” or not.
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WTF, Mark Warner? (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2018 OP
As President Obama said, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #1
No more Mr Nice Guy. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #6
That's pretty cynical GusBob Jun 2018 #9
Appreciate the label. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #10
Mark Warner billh58 Jun 2018 #2
Thi$$$$$$. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2018 #4
Third Way which way am I going? Boomerproud Jun 2018 #27
not surprising to me at all. Sadly. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2018 #3
Very disappointing from my Senator. His office will be receiving a call. Va Lefty Jun 2018 #5
Please also tell him his vote to partially dismantle the Dodd-Frank Exotica Jun 2018 #23
Got it! Va Lefty Jun 2018 #24
woot! Exotica Jun 2018 #25
Good grief... Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #7
We're not selling revenge this fall, we're selling good competent government TeamPooka Jun 2018 #8
I want good government as well, along with a ton of revenge. Pepsidog Jun 2018 #11
It's not revenge dammit. It's justice. Maraya1969 Jun 2018 #14
Justice will come. You just don't run on it. (wink) TeamPooka Jun 2018 #19
Someones Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #12
Mark Warner, saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #13
He's up for re-election in 2020 onenote Jun 2018 #16
Thanks, onenote saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #18
Doubt if Americans will "rise up". We may go the way of other extinct nation states. triron Jun 2018 #17
The more they get away with the worse it will become. Solly Mack Jun 2018 #15
2018 elections should not be defined by Russia and impeachment Shanti Mama Jun 2018 #20
Wyden is on senate intel and he will not stand for this. Amaryllis Jun 2018 #21
He just wants to get to the elections. I think that cheetolini is more likely to fire up the vote... marble falls Jun 2018 #22
Kompromat... dlk Jun 2018 #26

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. As President Obama said,
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jun 2018

we do not want to investigate the Bush/Cheney cabal for lying the country into 2 wars. It is important to look forward.

Forward-lookism in action. Ignoring illegality in the name of bipartisanship.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
6. No more Mr Nice Guy.
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:24 PM
Jun 2018

Pres Obama had to watch his P's and Q's bc he was black. Let's face it. That put him at a distinct disadvantage w right wing racist nut jobs. He was trying to set a tone as well I think. Note the tone DEAF dt who utters Obamas name every time he feels ugly.
Ever wonder if Pres Obama...Hillary...etc ever read Democratic underground while they're home at night having a drink?
NAH. They're all done with this ungrateful country. How much can individual human beings take? They really won in this moment bc they're doing what they want and living their life. Gop can PAY people to antagonize even when they're having their morning Bloody Mary.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
9. That's pretty cynical
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:37 PM
Jun 2018

And yet could very well be very accurate.

Seems as if there is nobody who cares are is willing to step up to the plate to protect our Democracy.

They go low, that guy Trump lowers the bar every day, there is no more gotten of the barrel it got broken when the glass ceiling was left intact.

They go low and we all get dragged down into Putins demise of our country.

Obama and Hillary are now sidelined players. There or no guideposts, curbs or any leaders to show us the way

There is nobody, not one person to takes us high

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
10. Appreciate the label.
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:39 PM
Jun 2018

Sometimes describing facts makes the describer seem like the tone of the facts are attributed to themselves.

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
23. Please also tell him his vote to partially dismantle the Dodd-Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:19 PM
Jun 2018

banking regulations and also his vote to approve CIA torture boss Gina Haspel as head of the agency were pretty shite too.


Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
7. Good grief...
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:27 PM
Jun 2018

We ask Atlas size things of a handful of people...then get shitty two seconds after something is in the news. I'm Pretty sure Mr Warner isn't going down in flames on this. Maybe...he knows something we don't? Expect as much from yourselves (ourselves) as we do our road weary representatives.
Schiff/Swalwell 2020..
ps...this is what turning on each other looks like in the beginning. Ergo...Samantha Bee and others. Don't even start it.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
12. Someones
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jun 2018

signature line here said something from a chinese proverb...'to combat evil...triple down on goodness, quickly'...something like that. Seems very appropriate.
How do we know what's going on? Mr Warner has been stalwart.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
13. Mark Warner,
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:53 PM
Jun 2018

is he a vulnerable Dem looking to exit as a coward stage right? Could it be we need to exercise our power at the ballot box? Not to elect a liberal that can't win in Virginia, but one that can do both, win and represent our interests. I can't vote in this state so will say no more. more imo

Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and force a new one that suits them better.
Abraham Lincoln

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
20. 2018 elections should not be defined by Russia and impeachment
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:58 PM
Jun 2018

I think they want to soft-peddle it all and focus on HEALTHCARE, honest government, etc.

marble falls

(57,099 posts)
22. He just wants to get to the elections. I think that cheetolini is more likely to fire up the vote...
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:17 PM
Jun 2018

with his regime versus tire people into apathy. One things for sure is we can't fix anything without as Democratic a Congress as possible.

I think Mueller is the kind of lawyer who allows people to convict themselves and turn. I wonder when not if Manafort turns. Before, during or after his trial or conviction?

I certainly wished we could have held the elections around a month ago.

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