Do the terms shiksa and sheygetz upset nonjews as much as wypipo does some

[cyclonefence]

non-people of color? Isn't it the same thing? A term, a little sneery, about member os the majority culture by members of a minority culture? Is shiksa a divisive word?

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. A non POC bothered by wypipo is kinda like

the guy at the table next to you in the fancy steak house mad as hell at the waiter for his steak being slightly over cooked.

Privilege.

[oberliner]

8. No, it's actually nothing like that

This is an argument that can only exist in cyber-land. The term was introduced in DU by an article that defined the term in very strange ways (applying it to people who eat organic food and are really into their pets, for instance). There is no more privilege involved in people on DU saying the term is stupid then there would be in people saying any other internet slang word is stupid. The person with the most privilege and the person with the least privilege are equally able to express their opinion about this term on DU with no real world consequences.

[Tarc]

2. Whataboutism is a standard tactic of the alt-right. Don't bring that shit here

Kindly.

[tazkcmo]

3. I wasn't

But I want to be one of the cool kids so I am now!

[JI7]

4. Doesn't bother me

[dhol82]

5. As a shiksa i have no problem with the word

I think it’s rather a joke.
I may be one of the few.
Intermarriage now is rampant with this segment of the population.
The only people who might really spew the term are the orthodox who will be threatened by the concept.

[ProudLib72]

6. Narishkeit!

Interesting how the word for "young man" came to be a synonym for "fool". So the real question, as I see it, is: Were young Jewish men pissed about being called by a word that was synonymous with "fool"?

[cyclonefence]

15. When I learned sheygetz from my best friend, she told me it meant

"filthy beast." But maybe that was only within her family.

[ProudLib72]

18. Did you know that "goy" actually means "nation"?

"Shtup" actually means "to push". That one really got me when I was reading a book with my Yiddish professor and there was something in it about pushing a wagon. My Yiddish professor was an older woman from Eastern Europe. Her first language was Yiddish. She was insistent that I be "correct" with my Yiddish. For instance, she would not let me use the word "tuchus". I had to use the word "hinten" as that was "correct and proper". I recall reading the word "shtup" without really noticing as I read. Then I realized what word I had just said, so I sort of looked over at her, expecting her to react with fury. The word did not elicit any kind of response from her. So it's funny that a word can be taken from a foreign language, used only in a vulgar sense, and eventually assume only that vulgar meaning for the majority of people familiar with that word.

[cyclonefence]

19. Well, now I can't stop thinking about Madeleine Kahn n/t

[Jake Stern]

7. I would never use those terms because I was raised better than that.

Don't need to revert to my inner Kindergartner and use childish name calling when referring to somebody, especially somoene of a different race despite speaking from a "minority" position.

[mythology]

12. This. Well that and I have no idea what either of those terms mean

[Jake Stern]

13. Glad you asked

Shiksa is almost exclusively used to against non-Jewish women and shaygetz refers to a non-Jewish male and both are used overwhelmingly in a negative sense

Call a Jew a "sheygetz" and he'll likely knock your block off - that's how offensive it is.

[femmedem]

9. Shiksa translates as abomination

so it goes way beyond a little sneery. http://crazyjewishconvert.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-you-should-never-call-someone-or.html

[enough]

20. Agreed.

I grew up in a non-Jewish household, where my parents had a lot of Jewish friends, who were also my friends, as older people can be to children, if you’re lucky. I don’t remember ever hearing an explicit discussion of the meaning of the word, but I certainly picked up, as kids do, that this was not a cute and friendly word. It was a word of insult, combining both sexism and religious prejudice. If anyone had ever used the word to me, I would have been injured.

[Sophia4]

10. If someone uses the terms in private conversation, all of them are great.

But if you are writing posts on a website that kind of represents the Democratic Party and you talk a lot about shiksas and people who aren't acceptable to your own kind because they are of a different religion or a different race, then it's perfectly OK in the sense that you are using your First Amendment rights (provided you are not offending the owners of the website on which you are posting who have no obligation to respect your First Amendment rights), but it isn't very likely to help in electing the Democratic Party's candidates.

It isn't morally wrong. It just has the potential to exclude and insult people, some of whom may pretty much agree with you on many very important issues and be likely to vote for candidates you like -- but who won't vote for them if the people reading your posts using words that can offend without really achieving much that is worthwhile or changing any reality, words that are used to separate people by race and to offend those not of a specific race.

It isn't wrong. It's just counterproductive and in some cases downright foolish.

Words that exclude should be used with care. And that means maybe they shouldn't be used on a political website that is trying to be inclusive in order to encourage people to vote for Democrats.

[marble falls]

11. Nah. Been called worse. By my mom. What brings that up? These little dicussions over how wypipo...

is such a horrid racist thing to say to a wypipo gives me such noches, oy!

[kwassa]

14. The "shiksa goddess" t-shirt ....

I saw on a young woman at college. Her friend had a "Princess" t-shirt with a six-pointed star rather than a dot over the letter i.

Though a bit of a meshuggah sheygetz myself, I am not offended, just because some schmuck gets in a tsimmis.

[Exotica]

16. shiksa is a racist slur and is simply based (more or less) on the woman described as such simply

being non Jewish (same for goy, with is non-gendered). It is especially used for white women who date or marry Jewish men, and it means "a detestable, unclean thing". Its a really shite thing to call someone IMHO.

Wypipo, on the other hand, seems to be absolutely dependent on the white person's actions (weaponising their white priviledge, etc). As a woman of colour, I have been slurred on a few occasion by jews as a schvartze, which deffo brought about some major argy bargy, and didn't end well for them, so I can imagine being a white woman and called a shiksa is going to not end well either in some circumstances.

[XRubicon]

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