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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think speculation about Melania's absence does belong on DU
THIS IS NOT NORMAL(repeat all-caps bold)
THIS IS NOT NORMAL
To not discuss and speculate about this, NORMALIZES it.
/rant
ck4829
(35,077 posts)A better tool for the people than the electoral clown college no doubt.
jpak
(41,758 posts)The Trump "family" went to Camp David this weekend without the FLOTUS.
Something is terribly wrong here.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)PJMcK
(22,037 posts)What do you think should happen?
jpak
(41,758 posts)Then it ends
Salviati
(6,008 posts)We demand proof of life!
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)A lot of good that did her. Just sayin
thucythucy
(8,067 posts)to give that press conference she promised during the campaign. You know, the one where she said she would answer any and all questions about whether or not she broke the law by working here without a green card.
Funny how that all slipped entirely out of the national discussion.
Just another example of IOKIYAR.
malaise
(269,026 posts)I don't think it's a good idea to post X. Y & Z as if they were factual.
Speculation, satire or just plain fun are different than folks suggesting that they know what's happened to her.
jpak
(41,758 posts)"Where were you on the night of May 2nd 2018"?
George II
(67,782 posts)...he never said it!
I went decades thinking that and just found out last year that he didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Friday
pangaia
(24,324 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...was in a case like this. Instead of a picture, I wanted to post a short video or sound bite of him saying it, couldn't find it. That's when I decided to look it up.
I was devastated!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Don't believe everything ya read..
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)but
whopis01
(3,514 posts)Beam me up, Scotty
Mirror mirror on the wall, whos the fairsest of them all?
Play it again, Sam
Were gonna need a bigger boat
If you build it, they will come
Me Tarzan, you Jane
And thats just a handful of them.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)She and Barron would enjoy a relaxing weekend in the woods at Camp David.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I wouldn't.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)But I assume that there's plenty of wooded acreage there to be away from him and from media.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)to valk in heels in ze woods. Maybe she stepped into the sinkhole in the WH grounds?
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)deserve some privacy while they adjust to life in witness protection.
orangecrush
(19,571 posts)populistdriven
(5,644 posts)The gunman shot at Trump hotel was a stripper and porn actor who loved Melania Trump
Updated May 21, 2018 05:28 PM
Less than a year ago, South Africa native Jonathan Oddi proudly posed behind a backdrop of an American flag, touting his new citizenship. "God bless the USA finally an American!" he wrote on Instagram.
On Friday morning, he unfurled the American flag inside the South Florida hotel owned by the nation's president, then got into a firefight and chase with police while ranting about Donald Trump, Barack Obama and bizarrely, rap mogul P. Diddy, according to law enforcement.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/doral/article211409674.html
orangecrush
(19,571 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)That does address a lot of questions about location of her security detail, who one thinks has to be with her.
or...
divorce would explain seclusion.
In which case I hope Avenatti has a twin who is a lawyer......
....
calimary
(81,304 posts)Plastic surgery patients often go on vacation to let the bruises, swelling, and the stretching heal. She just turned 48 (near the end of April) and is probably VERY conscious of what the passing of years does to the face - and other features. And he probably insists that she maintain herself as top-drawer arm candy.
7962
(11,841 posts)I dont see why its a big deal until she misses something important.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)is probably on her mind. There's not a doubt in my mind that they'll split with each other immediately after Trump isn't president anymore, for whatever reason. She seems like the type that would not wait for someone serving a prison term or twelve.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)..and then they just lost him.
jpak
(41,758 posts)Ohiogal
(32,004 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)jalan48
(13,869 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)jalan48
(13,869 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)jalan48
(13,869 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)A good one.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Explains that very well indeed. Esp. Kushner and Melanie...nary a smile.
Hmmmmmmmmm...
dameatball
(7,398 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)but none of this (DT administration) is normal and there are more important people and things to worry about at this time... I truly hope she has taken her son and moved back home... she was just going to make a fool of herself by continuing her "BeBest" campaign
mulsh
(2,959 posts)One look at her pictures at the memorial service shows how relaxed and happy she is around regular, nice people.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)It makes us look like normal people who notice someone has been missing for a long time. Wait, make that 2 people, because as far as I know Barron has not been seen either.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)So I personally do care. Especially if she is here in New York and costing me even more with the added NYPD detail.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)security details, then it is my business.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)I'm interested to know if we taxpayers are again supporting separate households for no reason that's been shared with us. I'm interested in what could have happened to Melania that "never met an excuse he wouldn't use" Trump isn't trying to get sympathy for. I worry when a person who's physically close to a known domestic abuser suddenly disappears.
And luckily, DU is a place where we can talk about what interests us.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)So I'll continue to care about and post whatever I want to about Melania's absence.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)blue cat
(2,415 posts)The Dems dont need to bring a covered dish to this gun fight!
(Stolen from Bill Maher).
dlk
(11,567 posts)kimbutgar
(21,155 posts)Youd think he would mention if shes getting better and show his worry about her health. Thats what normal spouses do.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)She doesn't have that luxury. Hate to whataboutism..but if Michelle Obama had disappeared for a month..imagine the fallout. I don't feel at all sorry for her. She made a deal with the devil. And I really, really mean the devil.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,246 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,246 posts)More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)Eight "it's no one's business" posts and counting!
JI7
(89,251 posts)Even if it really was a serious health matter.
7962
(11,841 posts)mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)to be talked about endlessly or it's not really happening. Fascism right before our eyes, the first lady drops out of sight, and we're supposed to be polite and ignore it all...I don't think so.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)Because we are going to find out eventually, in time.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)abducted her it was an act of Mercy!
blue cat
(2,415 posts)What, are we going to play all nice again, as if they would not be hounding our First Lady? Screw that...Im hoping for all kinds of memes and jokes to rub it in the face that this is not normal, not for one minute.
Autumn
(45,102 posts)on DU' a message board created to discuss issues.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)He probably hit her. Bruises take awhile to fade.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)While youre in the line at the grocery store.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Without breaking blog rules....
And any of the self righteous on this blog will be fully ignored....
Yeah. Theyre not the boss of us....😏
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)What IS wrong and should be deemed inappropriate for DU is profferring speculation that has absolutely no basis in fact and discussing it as though it were.
There is no evidence that Trump physically abused Melania, and that she is MIA because shes waiting for the bruises to heal.
Some may find speculation as to whether Melania is recovering from cosmetic surgery amusing, but it still amounts to the same thing: it doesnt matter. A possible facelift or nip-and-tuck has no impact on the citizenry whatsoever, nor does it affect her husbands political policies which are a much greater threat to our nation than Melanias physical appearance.
Too many posts on this topic have ventured into some people are saying territory an area that FOX-News created, and literally lives in on a daily basis.
Are there things going on that we dont know about? Absolutely. Are we curious as to what those behind-the-scenes things are? Youre damned real we are. And speculating what those things are is a natural reaction, and weve a right to do so.
That being said, when speculation and curiosity devolve into baseless comments that Melania was physically beaten, that shes been removed by the SS who witnessed her physical abuse and are covering-up for the pResident, that shes being held hostage by the powers-that-be who are determined to silence her, et cetera, it becomes the same type of speculation that certain people engaged in (like those on JPR and other RW sites) about how Hillary was absent from a number of 2016 campaign events because she was suffering from dementia, seizures, and symptoms of the dozen or so fatal ailments she was allegedly suffering from.
I really dont see much difference between HRC is dying of ____ (insert disease here) and Melania is missing because ____ (insert wild, off-the-wall theory here).
There is much to speculate on right now, Melanias absence being one of them, and the gathering of Trump family members to Camp David this weekend being another. But when DU becomes a platform for promulgating inane conspiracy theories, we become everything we have collectively and vehemently abhorred.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)This morning, first lady Melania Trump underwent an embolization procedure to treat a benign kidney condition. The procedure was successful, and there were no complications," the first lady's communications director, Stephanie Grisham, said in a statement
Q: What is involved in an embolization?
A: That is a general term for a procedure that blocks blood flow to a problem area of the body. In the case of a kidney abnormality, doctors would typically thread a thin tube through a blood vessel, often starting in the groin, and inject a substance to cut off blood flow to the benign tumor or malformation. The idea is to stop or prevent bleeding or other symptoms and to shrink the abnormality or at least stop it from growing.
Q: How are such kidney abnormalities found?
A: Most are found during imaging tests MRIs, CT scans or X-rays done for other reasons. But some people have symptoms, such as pain in the flank or blood in the urine, when a benign tumor becomes quite large, leading their doctors to order testing. Blood vessel abnormalities in the kidneys also can cause high blood pressure.
Q: Is it unusual to stay in the hospital for several days after such procedure?
A: Cases differ. Most embolization procedures do not require several days of hospitalization, and many people go home the same day. But in some cases, patients do stay for a night or longer to be observed for problems that can develop such as nausea, vomiting and pain, especially if a fairly large mass was treated. Follow-up imaging also may be done.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... is one thing. "Uninformed speculation" pulled out of one's ass is another.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)
Had migraines, blood in urine, and big fatigue...
My wife is a nurse and has had many kidney patients...we had an informed discussion on Melanies issues ....
I do not spread bs on this blog....like some others....
Also, I am not a court reporter, an honorable however hectic career.....I am just a Doctor...also a hectic career choice....
kcr
(15,317 posts)He ripped chunks out of Ivanas hair. She claimed in a court of law that he raped her. His current wife in a highly public role hasn't been seen for 23 days now. This isn't baseless speculation. This is a red flag. Keep in mind this is a man who has lied about and covered up all kinds of nefarious behavior. I don't get the finger-wagging and scolding quite frankly. I'm used to the water carrying for him from the right. I'm kind of surprised to see where it's coming from on this one.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... for over thirty years, I was on many, MANY divorce cases - and allegations leveled by one spouse against the other are par for the course, believable or otherwise.
Ivana later retracted her accusations, as many spouses (male and female alike) do after-the-fact.
If you think that requiring actual facts, rather than wild speculation, is a sign of "carrying water", you might want to reconsider your position.
It's the right-wingers who accept everything without facts that we're fighting against. Becoming them and following the example is not who we are.
kcr
(15,317 posts)But otherwise, I'm sure that the man who hired a lawyer like Cohen and colluded with Russia is a big ol' Teddy bear! I'm sure you're right.
7962
(11,841 posts)Even the appearance of objectivity is seen by some as "caving" or some other such nonsense.
My stalker will likely be along shortly to prove my point
Your point is correct; the other side jumps on speculation like a hyena on a baby. No concern for facts.
OnyxSharpie
(33 posts)Ive heard a lot about JPR here, and I have checked it out myself. They seem to have no love for Trump there, from what I can tell. Also I notice that Omaha Steve, who has a labor group here on DU named after him, also has a room there called The Wizard Room. Seems strange that he would have a place on both this forum and that one if it was RW. I was just thinking about signing up as a member, actually.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... sign up!!! You sound like just the kind of person they look for.
You might want to check out their discussion threads during the 2016 campaigns. You'll be hard-pressed to find a now-confirmed-to-be Russian-initiated lie that wasn't accepted as the gospel truth.
When you embrace and disseminate RW talking points, you're a RW site. The only people who have a problem understanding that concept are the people who post there.
OnyxSharpie
(33 posts)But then again, I dont know what this site looked like either. Im sure they were both pretty crazy though. But Im just basing my opinion on what I see now - both DU and JPR appear to be pretty much left-of-center.
orangecrush
(19,571 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)Baby due!
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)she finally decided that self-respect was more important than money and she left his saggy ass. Anything that adds to his woes and humiliation is fine by me.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Our media is no help. Never forget who this Russia colluding, hair chunks ripping, porn star cheating with, pussy grabbing rapist is. FLOTUS who is married to this piece of shit hasn't been seen for almost a month. Not questioning this as if it's normal is crazy pills.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)they announced Melodrama's "Be Best" with great hoopla. Since then, we've heard nothing about it. No plans have been announced, no staff named to carry out the initiative.
At the very least, she could tweet out something about how she's working on this. Or someone could. Instead, the whole thing seems to have died a premature death. I realize it was her second announcement of a similar initiative, but shut up about it or actually do something.
I find it very strange.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)That entire campaign just seemed to be hastily thrown together as nothing more than a cause for Melania to appear to be managing something...anything. "Busy work" - nothing more. What the hell is "Be Best" anyway?
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Something is odd about her 1 day surgery and no info given about flotus except she is in the WH window looking at reporters and tweeting she is working overtime but can't be seen in public now
Cha
(297,275 posts)OnDoutside
(19,960 posts)Beatlelvr
(619 posts)Hi. First time here. I think when she married Donny she thought she didn't have to work anymore. First Ladies work! It's a hard job, time consuming, lots of planning and juggling of schedules. She's just not up to it. Maybe she just wants to retreat and stay out of the public eye.
And by the way, have you noticed the only subject First Ladies are allowed to champion are "children's issues"?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)If not, we'll know s/he is not Chumpy's.
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underpants
(182,826 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Wiki :
Over the course of the 20th century, it became increasingly common for first ladies to select specific causes to promote, usually ones that are not politically divisive. It is common for the First Lady to hire a staff to support these activities. Lady Bird Johnson pioneered environmental protection and beautification.[11] Pat Nixon encouraged volunteerism and traveled extensively abroad; Betty Ford supported women's rights; Rosalynn Carter aided those with mental disabilities; Nancy Reagan founded the Just Say No drug awareness campaign; Barbara Bush promoted literacy; Hillary Clinton sought to reform the healthcare system in the U.S.; Laura Bush supported women's rights groups, and encouraged childhood literacy.[6] Michelle Obama became identified with supporting military families and tackling childhood obesity;[12] and Melania Trump has stated that she wants to use her position to help children, including prevention of cyberbullying and supporting children whose lives are affected by drugs.[13]
https://www.thestreet.com/slideshow/14482238/1/first-ladies-of-the-united-states-and-their-causes.html
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Alex Jone's even crazier evil twin said that she was pregnant with Stephen Miller's baby. And that she didn't show because Stephen Miller is such a tiny little asshole weasel.
Bluesaph
(703 posts)Shes now found an escape hatch back to Putin and too Barry with her.
Bluesaph
(703 posts)Think about it.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 3, 2018, 01:15 PM - Edit history (1)
Of course, endlessly.
So why should the present First Lady get a pass?
VOX
(22,976 posts)They'd be screaming, "The American people deserve to know!"
First Ladies, as non-elected public figures, are not obligated to disclose their whereabouts. However, they simply do not vanish for extended periods of time without being noticed. They have direct access to the president in private. If something's going on with Melania that impacts 45's emotional instability (what doesn't?), it portends some very negative consequences.
dlk
(11,567 posts)Especially when she is married to a powerful man with a long history of rage attacks.
underpants
(182,826 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)Maybe she's testing her self-control by lava (instead of hot coals) walking... it might be easier than being married to Trump.
Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)what is the deal donny boy? Did you hit her in the kidneys? Did you bruise her up while beating her? Did she have a psychotic or emotional incident(break) because of your stupidity and ignorance getting her into a HUGE MESS SHE NEVER WANTED? it belongs here just because it is about the 1st family
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)You don't just hop out bed after a kidney procedure -- we don't know exactly how serious it was. But if she's not well enough to travel, she's certainly not well enough to be in full charge of a 12-year-old.
rocktivity
Because I believe that as far as she's concerned we are being fed another big fat lie and that needs to be exposed. In a week it will be a month.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)In case you don't know who that is, Miscavage is the head of the Church of Scientology. His wife has been out of the public for years.
https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/where-is-shelly-miscavige-147734
Their internet search bots are probably crawling this site and will be doing a hit on me just for posting this.
salin
(48,955 posts)and his 11 yr missing wife in light of the missing Melania.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Whatever she had done...maybe surgery? That would require some weeks of bedrest to heal, stitches and all. But it's clear they are keeping what's wrong with her under wraps.
Cancer? Hysterectomy? They said kidneys, but since when don't they lie?
samnsara
(17,622 posts)...peering from the window seat of a plane....among a crowd on the Eiffel tower...on the back of a Harley with PBO....
nini
(16,672 posts)Wondering is one thing but no need to fuel wild conspiracy theories either.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)she is very much a victim of the Trump shit storm same as we all are.
I hope she is alright
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)was she seen exiting a vehicle? Walking on her own? Was she actually seen returning to the white house at all?
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)He has a history of violence toward wives.
malaise
(269,026 posts)<snip>
Were so used to bizarre behavior from the Trump administration that a missing first lady barely registers as strange
I am not one for conspiracy theories, and so I dont find the guesses flying around the lefty internet about Melania Trumps whereabouts particularly convincing. But I am very interested in double standards and I find it hard to believe that if Michelle Obama disappeared from the public eye for nearly a month that there wouldnt be some sort of sustained public inquiry.
Its fun to imagine that Melania who has been memed endlessly because of her apparent distaste for the president has finally flown the coop and left her notoriously misogynist husband. And who knows, maybe she has.
But the reasons behind her lack of public appearances are less interesting to me than the fact that were so used to bizarre and out-of-bounds behavior from this administration that something like a missing first lady barely makes the grade for news coverage.
jpak
(41,758 posts)Melania?
yawn
More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)The WH is saying she'll appear with Gold Star families tomorrow. At an event that's closed to the press.
7962
(11,841 posts)Hes been with the network a long time & its not some whack network, so I see no reason to doubt him