Rudy says "Trump can pardon himslf"!

[imanamerican63]

One question I have to ask! If Trump has to pardon himself, then why does he say that he is not guilty of anything?

[bitterross]

1. Rudy keeps floating BS. Remember Nixon.

Nixon was an actual lawyer and a pretty smart one on most things. If he didn't try this route of attempting to pardon himself he must have been pretty certain that it would not be possible. That SCOTUS would conclude the grant of mercy is for others. Not one's self.

[imanamerican63]

3. Yep!

[rickford66]

2. Some people hear "pardon"

But most of us hear "F**K". Sort of like laural and vanny.

[True Dough]

4. Listen, it's just common sense

that if the president farts or belches, he ought to pardon himself. He shouldn't always be an ignoramus!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Rudy is like Trump - he opens his mouth and words fall out -

disorganized clumps of words that often directly contradict each other.

But yeah; why should Rudy even be talking about Spanky pardoning himself if he didn't do anything that needs pardoning? He's the worst lawyer ever.

[dameatball]

6. As far as I'm concerned, Trump can do many things to himself. I can suggest a few.

[duforsure]

7. He's getting desperate to save himself

And knows his actions could be criminal too. Nothing is credible from this guy. He's just another politician turned crook.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. Trump can also go FUCK himself!!

[bitterross]

9. The logical fallacy of that argument is so bad it's embarrassing.

It should be embarrassing for an actual, licensed, attorney to make such an argument.

If that logic held, then it would be perfectly fine for Trump to murder Ruth Bader Ginsberg on 5th Avenue so he could appoint a new justice, then pardon himself of the Federal Crime for murdering a person appointed to a federal position. Then NY, as it currently stands, cannot prosecute him for the same crime.

That is so absurd that I cannot believe that even the most right-wing justices would want to set that sort of precedent. Where would this end? The President would become a monarch.

[imanamerican63]

11. Don't give him any ideas!

[empedocles]

10. ghouli's short association w respected int'l law firm GT has been 'so embarassing'.

Many client emails coming in daily. Some 'humorous'. All very embarrassing.

[Gothmog]

12. No, Trump can't pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so.

From Prof. Tribe and others https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-trump-cant-pardon-himself-the-constitution-tells-us-so/2017/07/21/f3445d74-6e49-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.a066d8b411f4

Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” We agree.

The Justice Department was right that guidance could be found in the enduring principles that no one can be both the judge and the defendant in the same matter, and that no one is above the law.

The Constitution specifically bars the president from using the pardon power to prevent his own impeachment and removal. It adds that any official removed through impeachment remains fully subject to criminal prosecution. That provision would make no sense if the president could pardon himself.

The pardon provision of the Constitution is there to enable the president to act essentially in the role of a judge of another person’s criminal case, and to intervene on behalf of the defendant when the president determines that would be equitable. For example, the president might believe the courts made the wrong decision about someone’s guilt or about sentencing; President Barack Obama felt this way about excessive sentences for low-level drug offenses. Or the president might be impressed by the defendant’s subsequent conduct and, using powers far exceeding those of a parole board, might issue a pardon or commutation of sentence.....

President Trump thinks he can do a lot of things just because he is president. He says that the president can act as if he has no conflicts of interest. He says that he can fire the FBI director for any reason he wants (and he admitted to the most outrageous of reasons in interviews and in discussion with the Russian ambassador). In one sense, Trump is right — he can do all of these things, although there will be legal repercussions if he does. Using official powers for corrupt purposes — such as impeding or obstructing an investigation — can constitute a crime.

But there is one thing we know that Trump cannot do — without being a first in all of human history. He cannot pardon himself.