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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 05:34 PM Jun 2018

Is the entire world moving to the right?

Scary posts on twitter regarding Slovenia's right-wing party leading in polls. Someone said pretty much all countries are shifting majorly to the right. Some idiots responding that all evil through history have been among left-wingers. I reminded them Nazis were right-wing and these people said no, they were leftists.


I'm getting really terrified of what this world is becoming. I could really see another Holocaust happening with how right-wing so many countries are becoming.

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Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
1. No.
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 05:39 PM
Jun 2018

The world will always have RW and LW (left) and MW (middle). One thing about the RWers. They don't like to share.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
3. Fear & Control is THE right-wing thing
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 05:40 PM
Jun 2018

when people are filled with fear, they turn toward "strong" leaders.

When they have courage, they turn toward hopeful, visionary leaders.

America may be the home of the brave, but the republicans have turned FEAR into a hugely profitable concession for themselves, and they - and others gripped by fascist tendencies - will continue to exploit the FEAR they wallow in. But even in the dark hours, courage shall not fail.



saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
4. I hope not, but they do
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 05:41 PM
Jun 2018

yell the loudest and always show up to vote. We(that includes me) must do a better job of getting our message out and getting like minded voters to the polls, imo.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
6. How about this idea?
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jun 2018

Perhaps we're witnessing the end of the extreme right wing. It's occurring simultaneously around the world.

These are the last gasps of their efforts to dominate the world. They will ultimately fail.

This old boy has a bit of optimism left in himself.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. What is the saying? "A flame burns brightest just before it goes out."
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 09:01 PM
Jun 2018

I think and hope that is the case here. They are in their death throes and they know it so they have resurged to claim the power back that they never really had in the first place.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
7. Turkey, Hungary, Russia, the ME, Philippines; rise of RW & fascist parties, groups.
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 06:01 PM
Jun 2018

Last edited Tue Jun 5, 2018, 10:23 AM - Edit history (1)

Golden Dawn in Greece, Marine Le Pen & the National Front in France, UKIP, etc.

Ultra conservative Authoritarianism is increasing while democracy is declining in countries.

Factors include anti multiculturalism, anti immigrant sentiments and policies in the US & some in Europe from recent migrants; globalization, free market economics, and extreme income & wealthy inequality. Also austerity, unemployment and trends toward nationalism, authoritarian populist political leaders and anti democratic societies and governments.
There are also significant efforts to roll back liberalism & Enlightenment principles IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/29/right-social-democracy-dying-europe-afd-far-right-germany

https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/we-are-witnessing-first-global-alliance-far-right-parties-1930s

Nazi's used 'national socialist' in the term 'NAZI' because it made them more accepted then; but it absolutely was an extreme, authoritarian, far right fascist party & regime. NOT LEFTIST!

Quora:
What does Nazi mean in German?
National Socialist.
The word "Nazi" is an abbreviation for the word "Nationalsozialist".
The full name of the political party was the "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" - the National Socialist German Worker's Party.

Since the late 1930s, however, the term "Nazi" has come to symbolise what that party became, rather than having connotations of "national" or for that matter "socialist."
Indeed, after 1932, the term "national socialist" was banned in the USSR, and Russian texts had to refer to them as "fascists", because the Kremlin didn't like the taint on the word "socialist" that had come about as a result of that party's use of the word in their name.
https://www.quora.com/What-does-Nazi-mean-in-German

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
12. Pretty ironic for Stalin to be complaining about a "taint" on the word socialism.
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jun 2018

I wonder if Stalin still had a problem with Nazis in 1939 when he made an alliance with them.

syringis

(5,101 posts)
10. Hi Oliver, my reply is extremely long.
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:17 AM
Jun 2018

Last edited Mon Jun 4, 2018, 01:06 PM - Edit history (2)

It is very condensed and therefore, there are necessarily shortcuts and biases. Your seemingly simple question requires an answer that would fill entire libraries.

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Yes and no.

Extreme trends have always existed, as far back in time as we can go.

The world has changed enormously particularly since the industrial revolution. Although globally beneficial for human evolution, these changes were indirectly influenced up to our time and almost certainly a direct cause of the Napoleonic wars. When Napoleon set out to conquer Europe, it was above all a question of controlling strategic entry points, in this case the ports, and of opposing the British, supporters of free trade and ultra liberalism. In other words, British did not want customs duties.

Does that ring a bell?

The rest of Europe was more protectionist.

The European geopolitical map is being redrawn, the borders of some countries are changing, other countries have been born : Belgium as a sovereign state, has existed only since 1830. Economic progress gives rise to social demands and major political trends are in the making. The major ideological currents are gradually taking shape. The right to vote, and with it the right to speak, is also becoming more widespread. It is therefore necessary to seduce the elector and thus, to give substance to the ideas which one defends. Little by little, people who can read and write are increasing. The sciences are developing and adopting more rigorous methodologies than in the past, even if this is not to be compared with our current standards. Some questionable sciences, such as eugenics, will emerge.

Any politician who is even a little awake will draw support for his words from scientific work of all kinds. Napoleon is no longer there, but Europe is far from at peace. The tensions persist, in particular because of the colonial lusts of some nations: they look at the Ottoman Empire which weakens day by day, the papillae salivate, they sharpen their knives in preparation for the next dismemberment... to this is added the conflict between France and Prussia which will end with the war of 1870 and the famous loss of Alsace and Lorraine.

A small parenthesis to point out that contrary to popular belief, it was not the war of 1870 which was at the origin of the first world war. In reality, its roots go back to the end of the Napoleonic wars. In 1819, a series of small German states united. Napoleon III, who was a genuine idiot, set himself in mind to fight them to try to cement an unlikely union. ... On the other side, there was Bismarck, who was anything but a fool, the precursor of what we know today as Germany, saw the light of day... both France and Prussia, therefore, began to forge alliances (sometimes against nature) and here we are with the Triple Entente and The Triple Alliance which will literally trap one another and plunge the world into a world conflict later. The war was NEVER intended, but because of the alliances and allegiances, and the blindness of Wilhelm II who wanted to push Serbia onto the ropes . Austria-Hungary delivered to Serbia " the July Ultimatum", a series of ten demands that were made intentionally unacceptable, in an effort to provoke a war with Serbia.

In fact, no one cared about Francois-Ferdinand of Austria, but since he was kind enough to run for the scapegoat role and got himself murdered..., Wilhelm II shouldn't have missed the opportunity, should he?

Let us close the parenthesis and return to political movements.

Russia is in the grip of serious internal, social and economic problems, the quasi-feudal regime that still governed it will favor the development of extreme leftist movements. Germany, after the first world war, was confronted with a calamitous economic situation, amplified by the treaty of Versailles. Already disastrous in itself, the treaty did not take into account the realities of the time, and reinforced humiliation in Germany. And here comes Hitler, a failed artist, a little character who is embittered and full of serious psychological problems. He thus launches into politics, refines his nauseating theories and encourages the emergence of the extreme right.

After the second world war, nations understood the disaster of a nationalist and xenophobic policy. From there on, everything with extremist connotations with a racist tendency has been isolated and banned. At least, for what concerns the far-right.

After that very, very long introduction, i finally come to answer to your question.

For a while, extremist xenophobic tendencies were contained, by laws and by economic growth and therefore, as soon as people have a full stomach, they are no more terribly excited at the idea of launching a revolution. Alexis de Tocqueville said it: you don't make revolution with people who have a full stomach.

Then comes the oil shock of the 1970s, the successive economic crises and the disarmed politicians, whose margin of maneuver is very limited because of the post-war world order, which has seen the emergence of international treaties, globalization, etc.

From there, xenophobic parties, which never actually disappeared, found a renewed interest among certain social categories, especially the rather frustrated and poorly educated. This association remains, if not anecdotal, at least limited. Moreover, no major traditional party would have compromised itself in such a tasteless alliance.

But the major parties started losing a little ground to the small extremist parties and so some otherwise traditional politicians will try to recover support from extremists by dressing one or two ideas with a pseudo patent of respectability, on the pretext that if the extreme parties prosper, it is because we ignore the demands of their base!

From then on, hate ideology became a little less unacceptable. At the beginning, it has worked : recovered traditional voters still prefer not to compromise too much.

But as this is a short-term view, solely political and rather populist, the only result achieved is even greater frustration among disappointed voters.

Besides that, extremist parties have understood the necessity of disguising their message and smoothing their words, while keeping their business intact : selling hatred, dividing, choosing a scapegoat and seducing with simplistic messages and proposing even more simplistic solutions, which have no chance of being applied and even less of succeeding.

In the end, they have gained more and more confidence, they claim protection for their dubious speech in the name of freedom of expression, and they have enticed all the frustrated voters.

I am so mad at politicians for opening Pandora's box!

Because basically, the Le pen, Farrage, Wilders, Trump and company have only one objective: to do exactly what they claim to fight, that is to say to take advantage of the system, to live at the expense of others, and especially not to take responsibility nor to make the least effort of facing the consequences of their speech and actions.

In short, to have a paradisaical parasite life!

























 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
11. Don't forget Italy...'Get ready to pack your bags,' Italy's interior minister tells migrants
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 09:44 AM
Jun 2018

Italy's new hardline interior minister Matteo Salvini will be in Sicily to push the anti-immigration platform that propelled him to power at one of the country's main landing points for refugees.

The head of the far-right League is on the road seeking to rally support for his party's candidates in municipal elections later this month, as part of a broader effort to boost the traditionally secessionist party's profile in the country's poorer south.

Salvini had said after being sworn in that he would ask his ministry's experts "how to reduce the number of arriving migrants and increase the number of expulsions".

"The good times for illegals is over -- get ready to pack your bags," he said Saturday at a rally in Italy's north.

http://www.france24.com/en/20180603-get-ready-pack-bags-italys-interior-minister-tells-migrants

ProfessorGAC

(65,058 posts)
13. Leftists?
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jun 2018

They got in street riots with communists all through the 20's and early 30's? And, they consider Stalin their number one enemy, along with his country, because they were communists.

Why would leftists consider communists to be their mortal enemy?

Your correspondents are exactly what you called them; idiots.

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