Looks like Bernie Sanders is having another bad night...

[brooklynite]

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

1. Where are Bernie's tax returns?

[NanceGreggs]

2. At least Trump simply refused to produce his ...

... instead of blaming his wife for having "misplaced" them, and pretending to be ignorant of the fact that he could have gotten copies from the IRS.

[yardwork]

4. Oh is that the latest excuse?

[NanceGreggs]

9. Bernie said it himself ...

... during the 2016 primaries. He said he couldn't produce his tax returns because his wife was "the family accountant", and she "couldn't locate" the tax returns she'd filed for both of them the previous year.

Despite many promises that the returns would be found and produced, the mysterious documents never surfaced.

Apparently the genius that is Bernie didn't figure that everyone knows you can get copies of past returns directly from the IRS upon request.

He knew those returns would be expected - and yet he never bothered to ensure he had them on-hand when he decided to throw his hat in the ring, and never made any effort to obtain them.

What's in those returns that he didn't want the voters to know about? Just another one of those things that make you go "hmmmm" ...

[comradebillyboy]

19. Excellent question but I doubt any answer will be forthcoming.

[George II]

90. But his wife, Jane, PROMISED on national television in an interview with Andrea Mitchell....

....in April 2016, sitting under the Brooklyn Bridge on the day of the Brooklyn debate and the day before their Roman Holiday, that she'd release the 2016 tax returns (for tax year 2015) by the end of that month. That was 26 months ago, still no tax returns.

However, since that time (according to his Senate filings) they have gone from a net worth of about $350,000 to almost $2,000,000.

[Garrett78]

12. Actually, Trump said he would release his after an audit was complete. Of course, that was a lie.

[NanceGreggs]

13. True.

But once in office, he dropped the "under audit" story and simply refused to produce the returns.

[DURHAM D]

6. The dog ate them and

then got really sick because they were too rich for his diet.

[yardwork]

7. All that eastern European cuisine.

[DURHAM D]

8. .

[MrPool]

10. Hiding out in off shore accounts

where all the $27.00 donations are as well. Or with Tad Devine maybe?

[Anon-C]

83. Probably in Moscow?

[babylonsister]

3. What is he running for now, that rascal? nt

[NCTraveler]

63. According to Jane and Weaver...

They aren’t sure. Seems to be a lot of confusion at the top of the organization. Not sure which party to run under or what the are running for.

[Cha]

5. Yay for Cindy Axne 3rd District in Iowa!

Not that BS is running for the 3rd District.. but that his preferred candidate lost.

[DURHAM D]

11. And then there is this -

Former Bernie Sanders Staffer Gets Crushed In Iowa House Primary


Pete D’Alessandro, who ran Sanders’ Iowa operation and a number of other states for the candidate, pulled just 16 percent of the primary vote on Tuesday, far behind newly minted nominee Cindy Axne’s 57 percent showing and trailing another Democrat in the contest. The Associated Press has called the race.

Sanders held a February rally for D’Alessandro, cut a TV ad for him and helped him raise nearly half of his campaign funds in the race, but it wasn’t enough.


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/former-bernie-sanders-staffer-gets-crushed-in-iowa-house-primary

[comradebillyboy]

20. It wasn't a caucus so the deck was stacked against him. /s

[DURHAM D]

14. oops

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

15. Oops!

[Cha]

18. After JS' lecture, too.

[R B Garr]

22. Yes, those threats just looked desperate.

Winning is the only way to get things done.

[Cha]

23. Right.. Desperate is

as Desperate Does.

RB

[yardwork]

29. Well, she needs distractions. Those indictments....

[Cha]

34. Yeah, and not caring who

it impacts.

yardwork

[True Blue American]

66. First impressions

Always work for me.

The first time I noticed Jane-she was strutting around with a camera crew out side Arpao’s prison.

My first thought was, Lady,that is not smart. You have to know Joe is watching and will confront you!

Sure enough,he did, ruining her Photo Op!

[Cha]

16. Good! Not the time to mess

with our Democratic Party!

Link to tweet

Mahalo, Durham

[True Blue American]

61. Nina Turner

Needs to head off into the sun set and get a job.

She lost her seat in Ohio, lost the race with Bernie, tried to become a pundit on CNN.

Now she and Bernie are losing all over. The Democratic Party does not need her or Bernie.

[NurseJackie]

17. Good!

[Cha]

37. Aloha, Jackie

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

72. The people are speaking. They don't want what Bernie's "Our Revolution" is selling.

Good!



Aloha, Cha!

[Cha]

73. Thank Goodness! Iowa Dems had Record turnout

too.

Aloha Jackie!

[NurseJackie]

74. Looks like Jane's threats are falling on deaf-ears. Nobody CARES what she has to say...

Iowa Dems had Record turnout

Looks like Jane's threats are falling on deaf-ears. Nobody CARES what she has to say, and they're coming out IN DROVES to support actual DEMOCRATS!! Loyal Democrats!! Mainstream Democrats! Honest Democrats! Realistic Democrats! Looks like voters have had enough of the extreme.

[Cha]

75. Extreme negativity.. Got an anecdote for you..

crazycatlady (3,531 posts)

17. The OR guy in my district ran a negative campaign against the other Dem (I am out of town so I've been watching from a distance). When I got my absentee ballot, I checked both candidate's Twitter feeds. The 'establishment' guy posted things like photos from events, with supporters, etc. The OR guy had way too many posts attacking the establishment guy.

I voted for the former (and he won).

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10699085

[NurseJackie]

84. That's a common theme I've noticed. Jane Sanders and "Our Revolution" focus on NEGATIVES

The OR guy had way too many posts attacking the establishment guy.

That's a common theme I've noticed. Jane Sanders and "Our Revolution" focus on NEGATIVES. Always smearing. Always denigrating. Always pointing out the problems, but they NEVER come up with any REALISTIC solution. The NEVER have any ideas that could EVER get out of committee.

Free this, free that... but never any details of how we're going to pay for it. Lot's of statements that begin with "what we need to do is..." or that start off with "all they need to do is..." --- but I've seen that it's EASY for any old schmoe to POINT TO a problem... but it takes a lot more to actually SOLVE a problem.

And when it comes to providing HONEST and WORKABLE ways to genuinely SOLVE problems... the old "burn it down / start over" mantra is NOT a solution. Threats of "third party" spoilers is NOT a solution.

Only WEAK candidates (politically and intellectually) and WEAK organizations turn to third-party destructionism policies and threats as a substitute for actual power. When a candidate or organization lacks any substance, this is what they do.

All I'm trying to say is that the the selfishness and VANITY of Jill Stein (and others like her) and the bitterness and resentment Our Revolution, and the anger of Sarandon end up causing more harm than good for liberal policies and causes. Their way of thinking leads to MORE suffering for the most vulnerable among us.

I think we can all agree that anyone who INTENTIONALLY attacks and harms Democrats... is benefiting the GOP. Anyone who purposely DENIGRATES AND DIVIDES Democrats... is benefiting the GOP. Anyone who does anything to weaken the party and damage Democratic candidates or advocating or THREATENING "third party" bullshit is giving the advantage to the GOP.

It's pretty clear to me that people are tired of Jane Sanders' third-party threats and they aren't buying what Bernie's "Our Revolution" group is selling.

[fallout87]

21. Sounds about right.

Don't worry though.. Sanders will be back in 2020 to claim he's a Democrat.

[Gothmog]

24. California was not kind to bernie

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

85. "Other" -- That's what the quest for "purity" will get ya.

Four are so far behind, they fall into the NYTimes' "Other" category.

That's what the quest for "purity" will get ya.

[Gothmog]

25. Iowa

Link to tweet

[Cha]

36. Wow.. Former Bernie Sanders staffer gets crushed in Iowa House primary

Link to tweet

Thanks, Goth..

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. I wonder if their real goal is winning, or are other agendas at play?

[yardwork]

31. I no longer wonder. The agenda is crystal clear.

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. I'm glad I'm not the only one. n/t

[yardwork]

71. I hope that millions are wising up.

[rusty quoin]

27. Who are we? I forget.

Is Bernie a bad guy? Years of listening to him on Fridays on Thom Hartmann told me different.

Are the Clintons bad people? I never thought so. To blame Hillary for anything that Bill may have done is ludicrous. And to impeach for that?...that is on the Republicans...they did it.

I’ve been here a long time and have tried to stay away from infighting. Maybe I’m a peaceable person, but I will not take pleasure or celebrate someone on our side when they lose.

I won’t use anything that gives the Republicans comfort. Bernie, like me is an FDR Democrat. He may call himself an independent, but he is a true Democrat.

I avoid the extra shit and work to get Democrats elected. It has been an easy choice for a long time.

[yardwork]

30. Bernie is responsible for the infighting.

[rusty quoin]

35. I'm not saying you are wrong but I gotta look into it

[Woodycall]

44. NO SHIT!

[C Moon]

45. I'm with you. I voted for Hillary, but I think Bernie is a very good, passionate person.

I have a lot of respect for the man.

[Steven Maurer]

28. I did not vote for Senator Sanders in the primary... HOWEVER

This is extremely unbecoming of the Democratic Underground.

This is, in fact, exactly what bothered me most about his most zealous adherents: celebrating liberal defeat.


Let us not sink to the level of the Jackpine Radicals here. Seriously. Stop it.

[yardwork]

32. We are celebrating victories tonight. If you're opposed to Democratic victories, you're lost.

[Cha]

41. Exactly, yardwork! As much Negative

things as Sanders and his wife have to say about the Democratic Party.. we're Allowed to Celebrate when our Democratic Party WINS! And, they did not bring us down.

[yardwork]

42. Our democracy is under attack. Tonight gives me hope!

[Cha]

48. Yes! From all sides.. it gives

us all hope!

One example of the negativity..

crazycatlady (3,531 posts)

17. The OR guy in my district ran a negative campaign against the other Dem
(I am out of town so I've been watching from a distance). When I got my absentee ballot, I checked both candidate's Twitter feeds. The 'establishment' guy posted things like photos from events, with supporters, etc. The OR guy had way too many posts attacking the establishment guy.

I voted for the former (and he won).

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10699085

[rusty quoin]

52. Well I don't see our side as ever bringing our side down.

Maybe you got something going on there, but I think we are on the same side.

We may need to regroup. I can’t think anything more important than voting together.

[Cha]

53. I've been paying attention.. I know what they've

said about our Democrats..

This is just one example of the negativity that I don't like..

crazycatlady (3,531 posts)

17. The OR guy in my district ran a negative campaign against the other Dem

(I am out of town so I've been watching from a distance). When I got my absentee ballot, I checked both candidate's Twitter feeds. The 'establishment' guy posted things like photos from events, with supporters, etc. The OR guy had way too many posts attacking the establishment guy.

I voted for the former (and he won).

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10699085

The elected Dems don't attack BS.. he's the only one attacking the Democratic Party.

[rusty quoin]

55. I will be there

[True Blue American]

62. Ya mean

Democrats are finally wising up?

We do not need in fighting in the Democratic Party. Like families, we may argue, but let an insider attack andthe family will team up!

Out,out, damned Spot!

[True Blue American]

67. Say it again,yardwork!

[BlueMTexpat]

82. + a million or so! eom

[rusty quoin]

38. Yeah. I hate infighting.

I am Democrat all the way.

[obamanut2012]

69. Ummmmm..... Bernie and Nina Turner etal are not Dems

And actively attack Dems.

[all american girl]

81. I think you need to look at OR and Jane for that

We are going about our business getting people elected. Jane, on the other hand, is threatening us. How does this help with unity? bernie goes on TV and trashes democrats, jane threatens us, why does no one tell them to stop the infighting. I want that very much, but we are no longer letting this continue. We will push back on the threats and the trashing. bernie and his people need to see what they are doing and help us get out of this mess. This isn't about him, this is about us.

[Cha]

40. Sorry.. not stopping. We're pointing out that

as much as Sanders and his wife have Negative things to always say about our Democratic Party.. it's the Democratic Party that is carrying the DAY!

[rusty quoin]

47. So the DCCC carries the day or do you think progressive might have no part?

[Cha]

49. Our Democrativ Candidates, who are Wonderfully Qualified, are

Winning in spite of the Negative Attacks from the Sanders.

[rusty quoin]

54. I give this to you Cha...you know more stuff than me.

And I absolutely want you to be right.

But my experience tells me the DCCC is wrong and you are wrong. I gave up predictions so I hope you are right.

[Cha]

56. Well, I think the DCCC has our Democracy and

our Country's best Interests at Heart.. and the Planet!

[yardwork]

57. If you think the Democratic Party is wrong then you're on the wrong website.

Go support Republicans someplace else. This is Democratic Underground.

[rusty quoin]

58. That is foolish. I already told you I support Democrats

How you jump from Democrats to me join Republicans is beyond me

[Hortensis]

59. Of course. But most Democrats are frightened and angry.

Trump shouldn't have happened, and he wouldn't without betrayal from within. Someday we will be able to move on, and most Democrats will be able to forget as if it never happened. But not when we're in desperate, unthinkable trouble that should never have happened.

ALL Sanders progressives should be angry also. Progressivism itself was betrayed, not just Democratic voters and all the Americans whose continued wellbeing depends on us, whether they know it or not.

[all american girl]

86. Thank you , Cha

We saw what happened when we didn't push back as well as we should have....because we were too nice. bernie and his wife are the ones not allowing for unity, and like you, I think we need to push back very hard. This is because of Hillary-Thank you Hillary-and not bernie or his revolution.

[Cha]

88. Exactly right, all american girl.

We know who the dividers are.. those attacking and threatening the Democratic Party.

Our Party that's out there winning elections!

[snort]

43. Agreed.

By the way, I'm sitting smack dab in the middle of Aloha. Hello.

[C Moon]

46. +1

[betsuni]

51. The only way to beat the Republicans is to elect as many Democrats as possible.

Our Revolution's message is that Democrats are corporate-funded elites with no economic message who don't care about the working class. This is not a message that will help elect Democrats. It's all vague insults. When they say Democrats are corporatists and Wall St. shills it's just like how the Republicans try to make "liberal fascism" happen. It's nonsense.

[Cha]

64. Not only that.. it's not true.

All they have are disingenuous insults.

[betsuni]

68. For people who think they're smarter than anyone else, they sure are dumb.

[yardwork]

70. THIS.

[BlueMTexpat]

89. I haven't really been following

"Our Revolution" at all and really know nothing about what Jane Sanders has recently said. Call me clueless, but I have been focusing more on Democratic races in my birth state of MT and my adoptive state of MD. I mailed my absentee ballot for MD's Dem primary last week.

To educate myself a bit more, I googled "Our Revolution" and "Jane Sanders" to find out what I could and didn't specifically see what some here seem to be referring to.

But among the other listings I found was this interesting article describing how Bernie's son Levi and his stepdaughter Carina Driscoll are both running for office in Vermont. The primary there will be held on August 14, definitely among the later ones.

Here is the article that I found: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/sanders-has-2-problematic-family-members-running-for-office.html

Bernie Sanders Has Two Family Members Running For Office, And That Could Cause Real Trouble

Apparently Levi, who has never held elected office, has posted some silly things on Twitter. Carina's potential problems are described here:

While Driscoll is a more conventional political figure than her step-brother (despite her independent status), and so far as we know is not in the habit of saying dumb things on Twitter, she raises another problem for herself and her family: she’s been linked to the controversy over her mother’s financial stewardship of Burlington College, which closed under a massive load of debt five years after the end of Jane Sanders’ presidency of the school, during which the small private college expanded its campus significantly.

It will be interesting to see what happens in August.

[Cha]

91. Aloha, BlueMT!

Carina Driscoll already lost her bid to be Burlinton's mayor.

Carina Driscoll speaks after losing Burlington mayor's race

http://www.mynbc5.com/article/carina-driscoll-speaks-after-losing-burlington-mayors-race/19147079

We've had threads here about the not very smart things that Levi Sanders has tweeted. Pretty much unanimous that he was not helping.

Here is a thread on what Jane Sanders has said recently..

J. Sanders: If the Democratic party doesn't become progressive, there will be a third party

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10695176

We're out here winning elections and she's threatening the Democratic Party.

How are you doing?

[BlueMTexpat]

92. Thanks for the links, Cha!

The 1st one didn't work for me. But I am glad to hear that she lost. She and her mom appear to be scruples-challenged.

I missed the thread on JS's comments. Very interesting. She does seem to have issues but I will leave her to heaven.

I am getting along just fine and healing well!

[Cha]

93. Good to hear

you're healing well.

Sorry about the link.. but yeah, she already lost and after all the divisiveness coming from that bunch. I was glad to see it.

[betsuni]

39. Aren't any of the Our Revolution people going to whine about rigging?

Surely they can come up with something about the DNC/Hillary/Pelosi/establishment being mean to them.

[betsuni]

80. I wish Bernie Sanders would do this.

[NCTraveler]

65. Here is how it works, conceptually.

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It’s the Starbucks Revolution, they just pour it into a McDonald cup before walking into the office. Then they spend their days yelling at the entitled people who drink Starbucks. Our Revolution is full of frauds(not all of the people endorsed) and they aren’t smart enough to see how transparent it is.

The organization currently holds one purpose; maintain and grow email lists for someones octogenarian Presidential run.

[JNelson6563]

78. Well said.

[Eyeball_Kid]

76. In traditional American fashion,

the Dems have already integrated Sanders’ movement into mainstream policy. He’s done his job. Let’s move on.

[all american girl]

77. Sooooo, I'm thinking that no one listen to Jane's threats

or took her seriously. Good. I want strong democrats that can fight. Now, it would be nice if the bernie supporters, who are still threatening us, would unite with us. Oh, and we need to thank Hillary for this big beautiful blue wave of women...Thank you Hillary!!!!!!

[JNelson6563]

79. "Most popular" pol has no coat-tails!

Interesting.

[bunny planet]

87. hmmm....living in NJ, not so sure we shouldn't be concerned about this.....Menendez challenger put

up a fight, and with both hands tied behind her back.... Menendez has a Republican challenger in November, who will be running putting M corruption trial and censure front and center. I would have been a bit more heartened had Lisa McCormack not had the respectable showing she did. Considering she was completely unknown in the state, she had quite robust numbers against Menendez actually.... here is Patrick Murray - who runs the Monmouth Poll - take on it....

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For those of you outside NJ following the #NJSen D primary - Know this: Lisa McCormack was a paper candidate, with no money, no organization, no media, and no campaign appearances. And she's getting 43% of the vote against @SenatorMenendez. Huge protest vote.