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muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 07:16 AM Jun 2018

The NFL Is Too Dumb To Realize That Donald Trump Is Never Going To Stop With This Shit

This is far more than just a commentary on Trump and his NFL antics: it gets to the heart of Trump's behavior. Read the whole thing.

Because NFL owners are quite stupid even by the water-brained standards of the ultra-rich, they devised a strange sort of tiered non-compromise compromise on the protests in the hopes that Trump would stop ranting about their league and the ungrateful, un-American, subhuman thugs who are both its labor and its product. They did this without the consent or even the input of the players, which displeased the players. And Trump, because he is Trump, did not accept the deal. He’s a man who only knows how to do a couple of things, but one of those things is to find a bruise and then push and push on it. He does that very well.
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The people mounting the protests have made the same simple and humane points for years and have been answered only with the laziest umbrage and bad faith, which is more or less the response that such protests elicit in America. But Trump also hasn’t changed his broader position; he is not listening or learning or changing, because those are not things he does. He is pushing and pushing and pushing at this issue because that is what he does, and because he is nothing without something to push against. There is no compromise to make. Trump wants to become the world, to erase and expunge everything from it that is not him or about him. A generation of the worst and most hard-hearted people that this country has ever produced are lined up outside the church he has opened, and they are willing to leave everything outside in order to gain entry. It’s the only way in. It’s the only way there will be enough room.
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Trump doesn’t honor anything on Earth more than himself. The republic for which all this stands is an abstraction in which he transparently has no interest, or anyway nothing that he’d put above even his pettiest personal or business interest. He is not sincerely offended by black or brown players performing an act of protest during a song so much as he is offended—affronted, sure, but more deeply threatened—by their disobedience in doing so after having been very clearly told that it bothered their betters. He is not alone in this, but here as elsewhere Trump has backed into being a perfect avatar. He is not the only person who believes that people protesting against unrelenting, unjust, unaccountable state violence are doing so primarily to be annoying, but he is the only one who can get those other disordered people to pile into a convention center to listen to him interrupt himself and complain about it for a couple hours.

Trump doesn’t understand loyalty in any meaningful way, because he is not capable of it in any meaningful way. There is no other person on Earth who really seems to mean much to him outside of what they say about or could potentially do for him. But he definitely has an understanding of loyalty, and that is roughly as something that an employee owes an employer—as a thing that runs up and only up, and is non-negotiable, and is in the end about always and without complaint doing what you’re told. Among Trump’s many strange rhetorical tics is using “like a dog” as the most devastating of insults, which is weird enough when you consider how awesome dogs are but which seems more significant in light of the fact that his understanding of what loyalty looks like is otherwise synonymous with what dogs show their masters.

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-is-too-dumb-to-realize-that-donald-trump-is-nev-1826558748
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The NFL Is Too Dumb To Realize That Donald Trump Is Never Going To Stop With This Shit (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2018 OP
There is No Such Thing As Appeasement for Guys Like Trump dlk Jun 2018 #1
Yep!!! Individuals like Trump see it as a weakness and exploit you. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2018 #2
Has everyone forgotten SCVDem Jun 2018 #14
If you let the camel get his nose into the tent, pretty soon everything is covered tblue37 Jun 2018 #23
This isn't about patriotism, duforsure Jun 2018 #3
Just wait to see what happens when he realizes that the next super bowl greymattermom Jun 2018 #4
This whole NFL kneeling thing is the biggest non-controversy ever. Oneironaut Jun 2018 #5
Maybe even more so than the "War on Christmas" Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2018 #18
Good analogy, as both are enormous dog whistles. Oneironaut Jun 2018 #22
Just so happens!!! Soxfan58 Jun 2018 #6
I read the whole thing-- nice piece of writing, but nothing really new... TreasonousBastard Jun 2018 #7
Excellent read. K&R demmiblue Jun 2018 #8
NFL got a problem. It ain't Trump, they're trying to appease. It's the part of fans that support 3Hotdogs Jun 2018 #9
the players have to make a statement and wildcat strike on gameday is where to start beachbum bob Jun 2018 #10
It's just a huge racist dog-whistle... yallerdawg Jun 2018 #11
Yep Cosmocat Jun 2018 #16
everything rtracey Jun 2018 #12
Bada Boom! Marcuse Jun 2018 #13
K&R uponit7771 Jun 2018 #15
If the NFL owner told Rupert Murdoch to lay off or they won't renew their contract with FOX Johonny Jun 2018 #17
Between this and his demands for TBS to fire Samantha Bee Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2018 #19
Trump is now complaining about players staying in the locker room NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #20
DURec leftstreet Jun 2018 #21

dlk

(11,569 posts)
1. There is No Such Thing As Appeasement for Guys Like Trump
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 07:26 AM
Jun 2018

If you give them an inch, they take a mile and then come back for more -- every time.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
23. If you let the camel get his nose into the tent, pretty soon everything is covered
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 01:43 PM
Jun 2018

in camel snot.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
3. This isn't about patriotism,
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 07:45 AM
Jun 2018

This is about revenge from trump because they refused to allow him into the NFL years ago. No matter what they do he'll keep this up against them intentionally doing things to hurt them. Owners and the NFL screwed up now, and gave into this con man in the oval office, and should instead start filing lawsuits for damages, and before he continues to hurt them even more. He won;t stop until they stand up to him, unlike the Republicans in Congress are doing, and being voted out of office at record paces. These owners will see their revenues drop from there decision to bow down to him, and appease his wishes. They sided with a tyrant instead of our Constitutional right to protest, and trump has never said anything about why are they protesting, because he wants them hurt by police, and be as brutal as they want. That should be the issue addressed, not banning them from kneeling. A President for the American people would. Watch now how long before he escalates against them even more from abusing his powers to hurt them with. They gave into him, now will pay for it because it'll just get a lot worse.

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
5. This whole NFL kneeling thing is the biggest non-controversy ever.
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 07:52 AM
Jun 2018

Who reslly cares? Apparently, a bunch of whiny Conservatives do.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,415 posts)
18. Maybe even more so than the "War on Christmas"
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:49 AM
Jun 2018

With the way things are going, everybody is eventually going to have learn to kneel for God Emperor Trump I

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
22. Good analogy, as both are enormous dog whistles.
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jun 2018

They’re obsessed with the non-whites / non-Christians supposedly taking over *their* country. They’re perpetually aggrieved.

I was listening to Fox News Radio the other day, and it was obvious what the host was griping about. It wasn’t the kneeling, or the national anthem. He couldn’t say what he really wanted to say, since this isn’t the 1950s, so he danced around it.

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
6. Just so happens!!!
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 07:53 AM
Jun 2018

trumps good friend, and the husband of a cabinet member is starting a rival league. But I am sure that has nothing to do with it.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. I read the whole thing-- nice piece of writing, but nothing really new...
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 07:56 AM
Jun 2018

We all know Trump redefines "self-centered".

What wasn't mentioned was his relationship with the NFL. He tried to buy an NFL team, but the rules say the rest of the owners have to approve a new one, and they considered him too much of an asshole to let him in the club.

So, he started his own league, and promptly trashed it when he realized it might actually take work to make a go of it-- exactly how he ran every one of his businesses. He cashed out and left his investors, other team owners, and players with the bills.

I'm not sure how this history fits in with his thinking, but I suspect he's afraid to take on the league itself, so is taking it out on the players.

3Hotdogs

(12,393 posts)
9. NFL got a problem. It ain't Trump, they're trying to appease. It's the part of fans that support
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:12 AM
Jun 2018

orange shit-barge. I doubt most fans give a rat's ass about if the song is even played or not. In fact, I suspect the general attitude is "Play the song faster so we can get on with the game."


In U.K., there is (or maybe was) a practice of playing God Save The Queen" after the last showing of a film. The idea was to get out of the theater before that started so that you didn't have to stand for a minute.

At that time, there were only 30 or 40 seconds of credits so this resulted in a problem if the house was crowded.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
10. the players have to make a statement and wildcat strike on gameday is where to start
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:45 AM
Jun 2018

let the opening weekend be all forfeits

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. It's just a huge racist dog-whistle...
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:49 AM
Jun 2018

and the Dotard has never left campaign mode - he thinks this racial animosity is a winning formula, what "the people" want to hear.

It's entirely up to us to stop this.

They won't.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
12. everything
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:56 AM
Jun 2018

Everything and everyone has an end point. 2020 may be Trumps endpoint, if not, then 2024. Lets hope we as the democratic party can bring the Senate and House to our majority and effectively begin to get this country back to its good standing, or at least try to muzzle this rabid dog...

Marcuse

(7,488 posts)
13. Bada Boom!
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:28 AM
Jun 2018

“Mr. Trump,” Rozelle told him, according to Schupak, “as long as I or any of my heirs are involved in the NFL, you will never be a franchise owner in the league.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-nfl-lawsuit/

Johonny

(20,852 posts)
17. If the NFL owner told Rupert Murdoch to lay off or they won't renew their contract with FOX
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jun 2018

You'd be amazed how fast this loses coverage...

It's amazing how billionaires are allowing themselves to be pushed around.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
20. Trump is now complaining about players staying in the locker room
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:04 AM
Jun 2018

which should surprise no one. So much for the NFL's "compromise." They were stupid enough to think this would appease Trump. NOTHING but abject submission appeases him.

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