You know, I have to laugh at all the media takes today about CA Dems "narrowly escaping disaster"

[Maven]

by not being shut out of any of the House races. You'd think that we were the ones sidelined in 11 different districts, you know, like the Republicans.

Meanwhile, the GOP getting Cox nominated is painted as a "win" for the GOP, despite the fact that he has zero chance of winning.

Oh, "liberal" media. And people wonder how we got here.

[skylucy]

1. Agree with you 100%.

[JCanete]

2. hehe..totally.

[Wellstone ruled]

3. Let's all agree,we could see this miles away.

The Ad Departments at Electronic Media have been having issues as to sales. Back to what made them bilion's in 2016. And that is False Equivalency reporting.

[Blue_true]

4. Look like republicans ran headfirst into disaster.

It would have been worse if Gavin Newsom had chosen to pull a Dem to the General with him, instead of a republican.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. It would be more accurate to say CA Dems pulled the equivalent of a Royal Flush.

[AlexSFCA]

6. Dont take anything for granted

We had governator for two terms and wilson before that... Politics have changed since trump, rules seem no longer apply.” and anything can happen now. Turnouts in midterms are low in California, especially among democrats and independents.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I don't see a likely scenario where Cox can win.

He lacks Arnold's celebrity and Trump's endorsement is the kiss of death.

Also Dems got 61.5% of the votes for governor and the Fall electorate will be even more Democratic.

[sdfernando]

9. Actually we had Democrat and Technocrat Gray Davis before the governator

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and after Wilson. Davis was recalled largely due to the skyrocketing energy cost increases orchestrated by Enron. Poor Darrell Issa was involved in getting the recall going and was sure he would be the next Governor...too bad for him Arnie threw his hat in the ring. Too many people thought it would be cool to have the Terminator as governor. People can be really stupid at times.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I met Arnold during his Conan days. John Cox is no Arnold.

He's a proxy for Trump. Could Trump win CA ?

[More_Cowbell]

11. Plus it was a very short campaign for Schwarzeneggar

He refused to do any debates unless the questions were submitted in advance. That wouldn't fly in a real election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. The real question is how many of the seats held by a Deplorable that Clinton won can we win

Cox is toast.

[stopbush]

29. I knew a guy who voted for Ah-nold because he thought it would cool

to have Gov Ah-nold’s signature on his driver’s license. Fine...except that the CA Gov’s signature does not appear on CA drivers’ licenses.

[sdfernando]

36. LOL...yeah, kinda makes my point about people being stupid. /NT

[apnu]

7. Wait, isn't CA GOP teetering on the edge of irrelevance in that state according to NBC?

NBC seems to think so.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/california-s-gop-collapsing-sign-republicans-nationwide-n879286

[Cosmocat]

12. Decades of this shit

My entire adult life, ball washing republicans and negatively framing democrats.

Tiresome, and a big part of why were are where we are today.

[Pachamama]

33. +1000

Completely Agree....

(You had me on the “ball washing the Republicans)



Sadly true....

[brooklynite]

13. And it only cost us $28 MILLION !!!

That's what all the candidates in those multi-candidate Primaries raised and spent. Money which isn't available for the GE. Thank of how many House seats that kind of money could fund.

[deurbano]

18. Yes, we (Californians) need to get rid of the damn "nonpartisan" primary!

We dodged a bullet, but it was close, and as you say, that truckload of money could have been spent much more effectively if not for this stupid system... although I think the main problem is not the "multi-candidate" aspect, but the multi-party aspect. My MIL used to be very involved in the Democratic party in Modesto, so she is not the typical, under-informed voter. Yet, when she came to see our younger daughter perform in a dance recital in SF last Saturday, she had already mailed in her ballot with a vote for a Democratic candidate who had no chance of coming in first or second in CA 10. She wanted Denham (R) out, but wasn't thinking through the prioritizing needed to make that happen, and just thought anti-Denham sentiment would ensure one of the Dems would make it into the top two. She was enthusiastic about her choice and had even attended a house party for the candidate, and that enthusiasm and participation should be encouraged... but within the constraints of a normal primary. The Democratic party opposed the initiative that brought us the jungle primary, and for good reason.

[BigmanPigman]

24. Agree 1,000,000,000,000%

I spent quite some time plotting and planning the strategy for each VOTE cast. Normally I study who the Dems are and vote based on issues, endorsements, experience, you know silly things like that. Yesterday I had all the info spread out all over my floor with penciled in bubbles, arrow, lists, charts, etc and I did not like it. I had to plan who "may" come in as a good second place and where they stood in the latest polls and which I should throw my vote to to upset the overall outcome even though I wouldn't normally vote for them. Completely ridiculous!

[northremembers]

40. You're looking at this the wrong way.

We need to get a top two system in all the red states. The Republicans used to have a similar strategy in the 80's where they pushed for term limits for all the legislative offices. Back then the Democrats held most of the legislative seats. Pushing for term limits was seen as a way to dislodge the Democrats. Eventually, the term limit strategy was a key platform plank in the Contract on America put forward by Newt Gingrich. Or course, once the Republicans had control of the legislature term limits disappeared as an issue.

Democrats could capitalize on the "get out the insider" sentiment promoted by Republicans and push for top two ballot initiatives in red states. Same strategy, but in reverse. Everywhere it passes we would get either Democrats or more moderate Republicans.

[BigmanPigman]

42. I wonder how many Dems took the time and energy to do what I did.

I doubt that many were able to or understood how to do it and why there was a need for it. I suppose, as you said, we always like it when it is in our favor naturally.

[deurbano]

45. It IS ridiculous... and all that enthusiasm that resulted in so (too) many primary

candidates would be much better channeled in a normal primary...instead of having to tamp down the passion in exchange for raw political calculation or risk having no Democrat at all on the Nov. ballot.

[EricMaundry]

15. I think the media thinks they're making the story interesting ..

.. and themselves sound authoritative.

[mountain grammy]

16. No kidding!

and no wonder how we got here..

[BadgerMom]

17. MSNBC last night gave me an aneurysm.

I was unpacking boxes and, after dinner with my daughter and son-in-law, turned on tv for company and info on the primary. Brian Williams had on some pompous Republicans, one of whom had been an advisor to Romney in 2012, pontificating about how California’s “Trump derangement syndrome” would be Cal Dems downfall in the fall. What a crock! There are more people registered as independent in California than as Republicans! And, there was no one on to give the Dem counterpoint on the show.

MSNBC is not as all-fired liberal as they’re painted. I turned off the tv and checked the LA Times election results live feed.

[SoCalNative]

28. I know many people in CA

who were once registerd Republicans that have just switched to the Inependent/Decline to state category. Just because someone is an "independent" doesn't mean that they don't still vote for Republicans.

[BadgerMom]

38. Correct.

It signifies something, though, that, for whatever reason, they don’t want that label.

[Honeycombe8]

19. I don't understand the primary there.

Was there ONE primary where Repubs & Dems voted on a batch of mixed party candidates?

Or where there two primaries...one for the Repubs and one for the Dems?

The way it was presented on tv, it was a group of Dems & 1 Repub that one "a primary." ???

[TeamPooka]

21. One primary for all parties, D, R, Green, Lib everyobne. Top Two vote getters advance to GE

[Honeycombe8]

22. Oh, I see. That's what it looked like... For different elections, though?

Cox is going to run for Governor, while the others are running for other things.

Confusing.

[TeamPooka]

26. for all our races. It's a statewide rule.

[Honeycombe8]

37. Thanks. nt

[TeamPooka]

20. Now the GOP has to raise and spend millions for a Gov race in CA thay will not win. On his best day

Cox will lose by half a million votes in Nov.
But they have to raise the money for the race now regardless or else they will look like quitters.
That will be money the GOP could spend on other races but won't be able to now

[Mr.Bill]

23. The disaster for the republicans

will be the day when Gavin Newsom is sworn in as President of the United States.

[Pachamama]

34. Then 2024 or 2028 will be a very bad disaster that is coming

Because it’s coming...

[bornfree17]

25. You know what they say

Perception is reality

[CaptainTruth]

27. Reminds me of the "Dems in disarray" crap after the 2016 election.

We gained seats in the House & Senate & got almost 3 million more votes for president, yet *we* were the ones in disarray, according to the media.

SMH

[lapfog_1]

30. if Cox lost and wasn't on the November ballot

it would have likely suppressed Repuke turnout in those Congressional Districts that we want to flip. The Theory being that without a "top of the ticket" person to vote for, many would stay home.

So yeah, having Cox come in second with no chance to win is still a "win" for Repukes.

[Maven]

32. And having a Trump Republican on the ballot for Newsom to run against

will likely bring out more Dem voters too.

There are two sides to that argument. It's just funny how far the "liberal" media will stretch to find the viewpoint most favorable to Republicans.

[stopbush]

31. The problem is that too many Ds are entering these races, dilluting the D vote.

If you have two Rs running and 10 Ds, chances are the 2 Rs have a good chance of being the top two vote getters.

[mwooldri]

39. Which is why IMO this really isn't a primary election.

To me, it's really more of a general election, with a run off election in November.

If all the Democrats were wise and ran 2-3 people, they could shut out more Republicans.

[deurbano]

44. Yeah, but the problem is individual egos...

and also, when does it become clear you don't have a chance? Some people who did drop out were still on the ballot in their districts... and still got some votes!

Another crappy part of this is that no write-in votes are allowed for the general! So, even if most voters in a district wanted to go Democratic (for example), but managed to screw it up by spreading their votes across too many candidates, it wouldn't be possible to organize an alternative for the general. I mean, I understand why... since if you have two members of the same party competing in the general, they would be splitting their own party's votes, providing a lower threshold to victory for a write-in candidate from the other party... but that's just another reason we need REAL primaries.

[Tarc]

35. It's a silly Fox News narrative, designed to save face

A shutout the GOP from the Governor's race would have been the triple-7s jackpot; awesome if it happened, but not in anyway a dealbreaker if it didn't.

[MsUnderstood]

41. Why does the news blow this up like it has?

Here is my frustration:
Sunday/Monday: Dems dont have a plan, dems eat their own (by campaigning),
Tuesday: Dems are IN TROUBLE (we may be shut out!)
Wednesday: Dems didn't show up enough, dems dodged a bullet, it was a sprinkle

I dont understand why the media (and here I mean the liberal media cause Im seeing this at huff post/msnbc) is making dems to be out so terribble when the REPUBS have the problems.

We dont have to shoot ourselves in the foot, the media is doing a fine job of "analyzing" us to death.

Trump lied 5 times yesterday on football alone and press secretary supported him and attacked the press adn the media response? Ask democrats why more people didnt show up for the polls yesterday?

[Cha]

43. Predictable Boring US Manufactured M$M..

I haven't watched in 16 years but I know from DU that it's gotten exponentially worse.

I read that night before some California elections were decided that they were frothing at the mouth in anticipation of the Dems being locked out.

They should be Occupied.