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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 04:02 PM Jun 2018

Social Security needs to be fixed -- again. And Hillary offered the more progressive solution.

In 2016, some progressives criticized her for not wholeheartedly adopting the simple solution of lifting the Social Security tax wage cap.

Instead, she said she was open to a combination of means, including lifting the wage cap AND extending the tax to non-salary income.

Unfortunately, she didn't do a good enough sales job on her plan. It was a bit too complicated to explain in a 5 second sound bite. Why was her plan by far the more PROGRESSIVE choice?

Because the Social Security tax is a FLAT TAX that hits the lowest wage earners at the same rate as the highest. If we lifted the lid completely, the lowest wage earners would still be paying the same flat RATE as the millionaires.

Hillary instead wanted to consider not just raising the wage limit -- but extending the tax to NON-SALARY forms of income. That kind of extension would hit wealthier people much harder than minimum wage earners (who are very unlikely to be reporting capital gains on their income tax returns.)

Hillary's extension of Social Security tax to non-salary income would NOT be a flat tax hitting low earners and high earners with equal force -- it would be directed toward people with enough excess income that they can invest it in stocks, real estate, and other investments that produce capital gains.

So anyone who thought the simple solution was the more progressive was wrong. Hillary's plan was better, and it's what we should be pushing for in the months ahead, as the argument once again comes to the fore.

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Social Security needs to be fixed -- again. And Hillary offered the more progressive solution. (Original Post) pnwmom Jun 2018 OP
Social Security Platform NCTraveler Jun 2018 #1
Trump uses Ryans plan Matthew28 Jun 2018 #2
"Not good enough, Clinton"??? Except it was better than anyone else's plan in 2016. pnwmom Jun 2018 #3
Damn near her whole platform was better than everyone else. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #4
KNR Lucinda Jun 2018 #5
I've never understood why investment income wasn't subject TexasBushwhacker Jun 2018 #6
KICK! Cha Jun 2018 #7

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
3. "Not good enough, Clinton"??? Except it was better than anyone else's plan in 2016.
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jun 2018
Hillary understands that there is no way to accomplish that goal without asking the highest-income Americans to pay more, including options to tax some of their income above the current Social Security cap and taxing some of their income not currently taken into account by the Social Security system.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. Damn near her whole platform was better than everyone else.
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jun 2018

Inserting Jim Webb’s prison reform platform into hers would be icing on the cake.

Her platform was excellent and she spoke about it extremely well.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,203 posts)
6. I've never understood why investment income wasn't subject
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jun 2018

to SS and Medicare tax. I don't have a problem with sheilding a certain amount for senior citizens, say $500K. But a trust fund kid can live their whole privileged life without paying a dime into SS/Medicare. They'll say they shouldn't have to because they don't need those benefits, but that's not the point.

When you are getting income and contributing to SS and Medicare, you aren't paying for your own benefits. You're paying the benefits for the people who need it NOW - the elderly, disabled, widows and surviving children. Why? Because you can't claim to live in the greatest country on the planet if you aren't willing to care for our most vulnerable citizens.

Get rid of the cap and make investment income subject to SS and Medicare taxes, then increase the checks of the beneficiaries. That money goes straight back into the economy, so ultimately it benefits everyone. Raise wages for low and middle income workers too, for the same reason. It stimulates the economy.

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