Why is Daniels always described as a "porn actress" and not just "actor"?

[spooky3]

It’s of course accurate to note she has been in porn, but there are lots of facts that never make it into her description. And I don’t see stories describing Trump as “lying Donald Trump” or “former reality show personality Donald Trump”, for example.

It seems somewhat misogynist to include it every time, when the genre really is irrelevant to her case. And/or it is an attempt to undermine her credibility because the porn industry is generally not respected.

Anyone agree?

[tazkcmo]

1. I've watched my share of porn

I don't recall any acting.

[htuttle]

3. oh, I think it's all acting, lol

[tazkcmo]

4. I may have been distracted. n/t

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

2. They act?

Haven't seen one in so long...heh heh.

[Wellstone ruled]

5. The ues of the Porn Word got your attention didn't it.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

6. My take

I'm female and sex-positive. I have watched my fair share of porn. Porn 'acting' exists. Many actors/actresses have to exaggerate their performance a lot. However, Shakespeare it is not. While I still believe that porn acting requires work, it does not rise to the level of a Dame Judi Dench performance. In addition, most porn has very substandard 'plots' that make serious acting difficult.

[spooky3]

21. I'll take your word for it, but media typically do not

Require non-porn performers to be award winning or stellar to be called “actors.” So it’s hard to accept that that would be the reason.

[Blue_Tires]

7. Because she doesn't act and that's insulting to talented people who do act?

If you must call her something, call her a "performer"

[Still In Wisconsin]

58. Bingo. It's like calling a stripper (male or female) a dancer.

Rudolf Nureyev was a dancer. The Chippendales are not.

[Raine]

66. Yup, that's what I was thinking too.. nt

[peabody]

8. I know what you mean.

I guess by saying "porn actress" the speaker is trying to elicit a response from listeners. It doesn't seem like it bothers her though--and why should it? Personally, I think it would be great if the media starts referring to Trump as "former reality show personality Trump."

[LakeArenal]

24. I'd prefer former President and current convict.

[Kaleva]

9. Google searches on Daniels brings up the title " adult film star "

Or just "Porn Star". Could you provide some links to support your claim that she is ALWAYS described as a "porn actress"?

Here are links to articles that refute your statement:

https://people.com/politics/adult-film-star-stormy-daniels-sex-trump-in-touch-interview/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/cherie-deville-the-porn-star-running-for-president

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-stormy-davidson-cohen-20180606-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/24/style/stormy-daniels.html

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/stormy-daniels-full-interview-151788

[spooky3]

10. But you're missing the point. All of those make

Reference to the porn industry, which is the same as “adult film” industry. Why is the industry relevant?

[Kaleva]

13. But you have no point.

Because your premise, that's she's always " refered as a "porn actress"", is false.

[spooky3]

18. Your own links say otherwise.

[Kaleva]

20. No they don't. " 2011 interview with adult film star Stormy Daniels" from the 1st link.

"The porn star (really) running for president" from the 2nd link.

"Porn star Stormy Daniels..." from the 3rd link

and so on.

[spooky3]

23. One more time: "adult film star" means the same thing as

“porn star.”

[Kaleva]

27. Why did you put "porn actress" in quotes then?

I may be wrong but i don't think she's ever described herself as an actress.

[LuvLoogie]

34. "porn star" is shorter...

Do the math. It's the media.

[True Dough]

51. This is true for headlines

Every character counts sometimes, even the porn flick characters!

[forgotmylogin]

28. I bet it's akin to a disclaimer?

If people say "actress, Stormy Daniels," your Grandma is going to go looking for her on IMDB.

Oh, didn't know this: turns out she played the porn star in The 40-Year-Old Virgin.

Also, I think media is just politely hedging as it's sort of common parlance to refer to performers in pornography generically as "porn stars"...but in the context of real-life and Hollywood, "star" has a different connotation. Daniels is not a "star" in the commonly understood Hollywood sense, and I think that's why they're defusing the superlative into "porn actress" or "adult film actress". "Adult film performer" probably would be a more accurate term.

[Tavarious Jackson]

11. Stormy is not a lot different than Melania

except she was MORE successful on her own without marring for money

[Kilgore]

12. Could it be because she does porn?

[spooky3]

15. As I said in my post there are a lot of facts that are NOT

described. Those are just as factual and as relevant or irrelevant as her working in the porn industry. Why is that particular fact almost invariably included, if not to try to present her negatively? As someone suggested, she could be described as a performer or entertainer.

She’s also a wife and mother. Maybe she’s a pet owner. Maybe she likes bicycling. Etc etc.

I see many are also not addressing the misogyny concern.

[consider_this]

36. your answer belies the fact...

that you consider it a negative presentation of her.

It's just a fact, like Amy is an accountant, David is a schoolteacher, Debbie a student.
It's her work/job. One of the first things people ask when meeting someone - 'oh, what do you do?', or 'oh, where do you work?'.
I think you're making something out of nothing.
She is what she is, does what she does for a living, and when I have seen her (on TV interviews, - not her movies or shows or whatever), she seems proud of it - so I see no issue here.

[consider_this]

39. oh, and to add

a porn or adult actress is not at all the same thing as just 'actress', a meth cook is not the same as a cook, so - sorry extreme, not good example, but trying to make a point that it just seems to me an accurate description of her chosen line of work, so where is the foul?

[Kilgore]

68. And from what I can tell, she is also.

Very friendly

Flexible

Open minded and adventurous

And possibly double jointed

All statements of fact. No misogyny here.

[PoorMonger]

14. They say porn star

Because it gets more clicks / eyes / ears than saying actress.

It is also unfortunate that it comes with a negative connotation in our society. Even here among liberal minded people there is this dismissive attitude toward people in the adult entertainment industry and it does wear against her claims over time, in a less perceptible but still significant way

[spooky3]

17. I think you make a good point. Nt

[Sneederbunk]

16. Is she a student of Stanislavsky?

[FreeState]

19. Probably multiple reasons; sexism, her stage name isn't gender specific

Stormy Daniels could be a male or female name.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

22. Or actor-producer-director-writer.

[spooky3]

25. Another good point.

[John Fante]

59. That would almost come off as sarcastic.

Why pretend Stormy is something she's not? She's an adult film star, not Orson Welles.

[samir.g]

26. Has she acted in non-porn roles?

I know she was in 'The 40 Year Old Virgin', but she was still playing a porn star.

IMDB doesn't show any non-porn roles.

[spooky3]

29. It doesn't matter, IMHO. The fact that she's spent her career

In porn vs non porn films seems irrelevant, or worse—included to dismiss or denigrate her.

[jberryhill]

30. Why aren't pastry chefs just called chefs?

It’s like the old saying...

You bake one cake, and nobody calls you a baker.
You fix one toilet, and nobody calls you a plumber.
You paint one room, and nobody calls you a painter.

But, you just suck ONE cock, and....

[janx]

31. She is not a porn actress. She's a porn STAR!

The genre is not irrelevant to her case, "believe me."

[Solly Mack]

32. I think of her as a really funny person.

I've read some of her quips. She's funny.

Her occupation means nothing to me.

That she slept with Trump is a huge minus though.

Sorry. It just is.

[jberryhill]

37. But she is bravely fighting for the right to tell you she had sex with Trump

[PoliticAverse]

48. I would call that an "overshare" but that's just me. n/t

[Solly Mack]

50. But that makes Trump uncomfortable and I can't disagree with that.

She's a thorn in his side.

[jberryhill]

33. Why aren't dairy farmers just called farmers?

Why aren’t deep sea divers just called divers?

Why aren’t grave diggers just called diggers?

Why aren’t truck drivers just called drivers?

[janx]

42. Yer killing me here,

again.

[jberryhill]

49. Every profession has its specialists.

You need heart surgery, you go to a heart surgeon.

[janx]

54. Yes, she chose her specialty.

She may change her mind shortly. And what about male porn stars? Long Dong Silver? Is a guy like that denigrated? What about Sylvester Stallone, who got his start in the porn industry?

These are specialties, at least initially.

[jberryhill]

56. Ron Jeremy, John Holmes

I never saw a piece about either of them that didn’t include the word “porn”.

[janx]

62. So why are they not delicate flowers?

Why is no one standing up for them regarding their labels as porn stars?

[GoCubsGo]

35. I'm guessing it's because a significant segment of society considers porn to be bad and sinful.

On one hand, that just gives them an excuse to judge Ms. "Daniels" in a very negative manner, and unworthy of being taken seriously. But, it also SHOULD make Spanky just as bad in their eyes, since he had an affair with her, and obviously consumes the product she produces. Being the hypocrites they are on the right, most of them most likely only look down on the female half of this relationship, However.

[spooky3]

38. Good points nt

[Honeycombe8]

40. I don't think she's a member of SAG. She refers to herself as a porn star or actress.

Acting is someone who takes a variety of roles, in different types of movies, on screen and/or on stage. She did one thing, and apparently did it well.

IMO it's not misogynistic to call her a porn star. It's distinctive work that is unlike what actresses normally do. But if anyone wants to call her an actress, that's fine.

[Hekate]

41. Trump is often referred to as a former reality tv star, so you are wrong there. Also the "porn star"

...moniker for Stormy is much more about him than it is about her. She is out and proud about her profession -- he, otoh, funneled money her way to shut her up.

She is a woman in a career I never would have chosen, but she is quite frank about it, open and unashamed, and it is legal. Stormy is a porn actress, or adult film actress, whichever.

[janx]

44. Yep. She doesn't have a problem with it.

It wouldn't be my choice or the choice of my daughters, but she chose it. She may have chosen it out of ignorance as many women do. She continues to make appearances at strip clubs, etc., but I will be willing to bet that once she realizes she doesn't have to do that, her life will change.

[Kaleva]

43. Sir Ian McKellen is often described as being a "Shakespearean actor" and not just "actor"

[jberryhill]

47. How is he at shaking his spear?

[YOHABLO]

45. Within the last month, I believe it was 'Showtime', has been running old S.Daniels movies.

Honestly, what she has going for her, are humongous breasts. Huge. Other than that, as far as being an 'actress' or a 'porn star', it's debatable. But then Daniels herself has said, that people in porn are not necessarily there for their acting abilities. Listen, people can make a lot of bucks in the 'adult film' industry. If it pays the rent and it's legal, I have no qualms.

[TomSlick]

46. I'm not qualified to opine on whether adult film stars are actors.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Lee-Lee]

52. I would say because that's where she came to public attention before Trump

Just like they call a famous football player a “Football Star” and not “Sports Star” or a famous race car driver a “Racer” or “Race Car Driver” and not just “Driver”.

Her entire public persona before this lawsuit was based on her adult film career, so it’s an accurate description.

[samnsara]

53. I've wondered the same thing

[edbermac]

55. She's an actor. Saw her video Dripping Wet Sex #4(2002)

Nicole Kidman won Best Actress that year for The Hours.

Stormy wasn’t even nominated....she wuz robbed!

[jberryhill]

60. But did Nicole Kidman win "Favorite Breasts" even once?

Because Daniels won it THREE TIMES!

Check out the awards on her Wikipedia page.

[edbermac]

63. Well Nicole is all natural.

I hate plastic boobz.

[jberryhill]

69. Nothing that marries Tom Cruise is "all natural"

[ProfessorGAC]

71. She Did Leave, Though

So, at least she came to her senses.

I'm a huge Kidman fan, but i always thought something was off when she committed to that dweeb.

[brooklynite]

57. Perhaps because she self-identifies as a "Porn Star"?

[Beartracks]

61. Trump cheating with a porn star is more salacious, and...

... it should shame his holier-than-thou, self-righteous, conservative fan base... if they had any shame, that is.

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[Raine]

64. Because that's the kind of acting

she's done. Apparently she's alright with the title, she doesn't seem outraged about it.

[Texasgal]

65. Your OP begs the question:

What is shameful about being a Porn Star?

[Blue_true]

67. It is a different type of acting that has it's place. nt

[PJMcK]

70. Two thoughts about your question

You make the distinction in your OP between "actress" and "actor." With 40 years in the entertainment world, I can assure you that female actors bristle at the word "actress." The profession is called "acting" and its participants are actors. That's just the way it is.

Interestingly, she's almost always called by her stage name and not her given name. Why is that? By now, anyone paying attention knows who she is.

As far as your question goes, do you find her credibility in question? I absolutely do not. Frankly, I doubt she gives a shit what we call her as she seems to be pretty confident about her life and accomplishments.

[DrDan]

72. I think it says more about trump than about Stormy