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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 06:09 AM Jun 2018

What the NBA Finals say about our Political situation

I know the NBA, and Indeed, all professional sports, are often just a means to confuse the masses and keep their focus off the way politicians, tycoons and clergy manipulate them. That does not mean they are not earnest expressions of civi pride, and often clues to tuths about ourselves, the same as anything we produce. Now, before either the Cavaliers or the Warrriors win, it is time to look to see what we can actually learn from this.

Lebron James is a perfect example of one ugly fact; emay seal the deal ven great superstars need a TEAM. Yes he is great: the fact the discussion about if he is the greatest player of all time rages, and regardless of this year, if he manages to somehow keep most of his current ability, he still may seal the deal. Hey, the NFL's Tom Brady is eight years older than him, and does not seem to be going anywhere soon. YET, here he is, in danger of an embarrassing sweep, which will follow a pattern that repeats and repeats again and again so much that Basketball might as well be "the sport where Lebron loses to the warriors." Just like we in this party, after all the effort and scored points, find ourselves wondering "what the hell happened." We know what happened, and so does Lebron; we do not work as a team. We do careless things like that fool who wasted his timeout at the last second, because he thought the team was winning. Let's not mince words, whether it was the primary in 2016, or what almost happened in California this week, the fact is we democrats need to play as a cohesive, coordinated unit, because when you just depends on some rock star to save your behind, you LOSE.

Now, let's take a look at the Golden state Warriors. On paper, this should be wonderful, the bastion of one of the more liberal area of the country, and a place that is rich because of creative, brainy, wealthy labor, where people who have great talent and admittedly warm fuzzy personalities that seem incapable of being offensive (imagine Steph Curry riding to work in a nice Eco-friendly car. The image of him driving a sports car was so goofy that they literally made a commercial about it.) Teamwork, a lack of egos, and a coach that looks like the white midwest males we were all trained in school to obey; giving orders and never being questioned, because he picked people that would just do their jobs.

Well, lift the plastic and this stinks on TWO levels, but both of them are variants on hypocrisy. Let's take Northern California: wonderfully liberal, with virtues the rest of the country would envy; but the area also suffers from people mistaking a lot of money for being liberal. Every day, with every WAY overpriced house, that working and middle class families get kicked out of so that a way way overpriced condo could be built on it, it helps to ruin the American dream. The fact this is done with a kind face does not hide the fact that money is king, and that more money is God, and that whenever this is brought up, they say "but we are liberal, indeed without our money, the rest of you hayseeds would be broke!" And lest you think I am going to just make a Bernie statement about civil rights vs economic justice, there is a LOT to say about race.

Let's be honest, any of you think Steph Curry would be taking a knee? The white coach can say a few things, but the image the Golden State Warriors is that of African Americans being rewarded by the system for just taking orders and doing what the nice white coach says. They are rewarded for not being showy, unlike that nasty Lebron who WILL insult the president, who will turn down the chance to make easy money on a rich team so that he can focus on social programs in his native Cleveland.

Cleveland, who needs THAT place, except we expect them to win every election year for us by beating turning a purple state blue. Not like we would ever think of having Lebron campaign in that plce every year, after all, our slick professionals have a strategy, like we way they were so right about that "blue wall" of Midwestern states like Ohio and Wisconsin, and michigan...opps, pay no attention to that folks, criticize the people that made that screw up and the juries at certain liberal sites will say "get out of here and shut up!"

SO, both team have some genuine virtue: only hateful people would deny that Lebron, if he has not done so already, could be the greatest, but more importantly, in a world where community is cheap, he values it. He had stood by his hometown much more than Michael Jordan did his carolinas, which he bolted out of for more money. Yes, the warriors are the example of how a selfless, coordinated team can win consistently. On the other hand, they also reflect an area where self righteous hypocrisy and worship of money (like the money it took to build that team in the first place, can hide toxic things that need to be lanced like a boil, and the fact that both civil rights and economic justice tend to get swept aside when the run of winning trophies just feels so good we glare at anyone that questions it.

however, for all it's use, sports is NOT the real world. For us to win, we need to cultivate the political equivalent of lebron James, and make a Team that will support victory without ego clowns handing victory to the Red team. OH, don;t think I was going to leave out the third party types and those that would use Bernie because they think he could score wins that take time and disciple to do. They are the ultimate bane of Politics and Sports, the Armchair Quarterback, who, full of cheap beer, think they know everything.

Oh, what does Jill Stein symbolize? Steriods meant to cheat, the way that the Russians never seem to avoid Steroid scandals

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What the NBA Finals say about our Political situation (Original Post) DonCoquixote Jun 2018 OP
The only thing I would clarify Docreed2003 Jun 2018 #1
As you probably know, Steve's history is remarkable. Born in Beirut. His father was murdered. underpants Jun 2018 #2
Yes...an incredible story Docreed2003 Jun 2018 #3
A Few Errors ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #4
"What the NBA Finals say about our Political situation ? " DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #6
And We Know That To Be True ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #7
a retort DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #9
You Said He Went To Chicago To Chase Money ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #10
Here let me Google that for you mythology Jun 2018 #11
admittedly I did not knwo he did anythign in charlotte.. DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #12
Why the hate on the Warriors? mcar Jun 2018 #5
It's sports, both teams are pretty appealing IMO BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #8

Docreed2003

(16,864 posts)
1. The only thing I would clarify
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 06:15 AM
Jun 2018

Steve Kerr, the coach of GSW, is an unapologetic liberal and has blasted Trump and this administration many many times; yes...that comes from his place of privilege but it is important to note.

underpants

(182,830 posts)
2. As you probably know, Steve's history is remarkable. Born in Beirut. His father was murdered.
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 06:37 AM
Jun 2018

Yes it's Wikipedia but the link to his father Malcom is there too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kerr

Docreed2003

(16,864 posts)
3. Yes...an incredible story
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 06:53 AM
Jun 2018

Funny, but unrelated story that exposes my bias in more ways than one....when I was in college, my roommate for the entirety of undergrad was was a guy from Guiana who came to the States as a teenager. He had a Super Nintendo and we would stay up into the night playing the current NBA game...it was the height of the Bulls dynasty and he always played as Jordan and I preferred to play as Kerr, that guy was always clutch from three. So I've always had a soft spot for Steve based off those memories.

Thanks for sharing his story!

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
4. A Few Errors
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 07:32 AM
Jun 2018

First, Curry was the one last year that was vocal about not going to the WH. That's why PINO withdrew the invitation. So, you got that wrong.

Second, Curry's shimmy wrankles the haters, so the idea that they aren't showy is just silly.

Third, when LeBron made his comment that nobody wanted to go to the WH, Curry said, same day and i quote "I agree with Bron." So, you got that wrong.

Last, when Jordan was drafted, there was no team in the Carolinas. Charlotte didn't have a franchise for 4 years after the Bulls drafted Jordan. Then he played there for 15 years. So, he didn't chase after more money by leaving home. He moved because that's where his job was, directly out of college.

There's a lot of merit to your post, but your position is based on some pretty significant flaws and that weakens the overall message.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. "What the NBA Finals say about our Political situation ? "
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:21 AM
Jun 2018

It says the winner of the Finals, which ever team that might be, will not be visiting the White House because they have irreconcilable differences and do not like or respect the current resident. Everything else is commentary.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
7. And We Know That To Be True
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:24 AM
Jun 2018

Because the team leaders of both franchises said so. That's pretty much a done deal.

The humorous thing to me is that the Warriors have 9 guys with their degrees, and the Cavs have 6, and every one of them is rich. So we have 24 rich people, 15 of them college educated, yet, they have total differences with PINO.

Rich people 'sposed to dig him, right? Not so much.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
9. a retort
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 10:51 AM
Jun 2018

yes the hornets were not yet there...but hat stops Mike from going to the Carolina now to do some good work? What stops him from coaching/doing charities along ol tobacco road? If he wanted it, he would probably be a governor of that state.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
10. You Said He Went To Chicago To Chase Money
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 10:58 AM
Jun 2018

Now you're moving the goalposts.

Also, you have no idea whether he was doing charity work without fanfare. It is a fact that he did it in Chicago when he lived here.

There are poor kids in Chicago too.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. Here let me Google that for you
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 11:46 AM
Jun 2018
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article177764871.html

Rat bastard donating a paltry 7 million to help fund health clinics for poor people in Charlotte.

2 million to help relations between police and minorities in Charlotte.

He also decided to reinstate the Charlotte Hornets community outreach program that the previous owners had done away with. That's the arm of the Hornets that donated half a million to literacy programs in Charlotte.

Jordan donated his lawsuit winnings over his image/endorsement to 23 different charities, but that was in Chicago and thus doesn't count for reasons.

Your claim is unsubstantiated.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
5. Why the hate on the Warriors?
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:14 AM
Jun 2018
Let's be honest, any of you think Steph Curry would be taking a knee? The white coach can say a few things, but the image the Golden State Warriors is that of African Americans being rewarded by the system for just taking orders and doing what the nice white coach says. They are rewarded for not being showy, unlike that nasty Lebron who WILL insult the president, who will turn down the chance to make easy money on a rich team so that he can focus on social programs in his native Cleveland.


This is very insulting to the team, and just wrong.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
8. It's sports, both teams are pretty appealing IMO
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:48 AM
Jun 2018

They could be total assholes and it wouldn’t cost them a dime, but they aren’t. Lots of good works by the stars of each team, both teams are telling Trump to stuff it and Steve Kerr is a pretty incredible guy if you ask me. His father was whacked by terrorists and he still maintains a reasoned perspective on that event in particular and the Middle East in general, not to mention everything else he’s asked about. I wish we had an army of him in power.

It’s late-stage capitalism and a shitstorm IS coming so I get the money portion of your comment. But I see a lot of consciousness on an individual level with guys like James and Durant and Curry which is refreshing.

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