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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRenewed respect for the USA ? Hmm... not quite the same sound in Europe, by far...
A bit long, but really interesting...
Jeffrey Gedmin & Joshua Muravchik
Interviews with dozens of European opinion leaders reveal how the President is shredding American credibility and alienating allies in Europe.
While nurturing relations with some allies in Asia and the Middle East, President Donald Trump has treated our European allies, the countries that we are most clearly sworn to defend with our own lives, more cavalierly than has any President since World War II. True, the Cold War crucible in which these links were forged is now a relic, but Russian dictator Vladimir Putin strives to restore Russias status as a great power rival to the United States. This lends new urgency to Transatlantic relations, since Europe is the foremost theater in which Putin bids to transform the balance of power, mining opportunities presented by Trumps manifest ambivalence.
Polls tell us that Europeans reciprocate Trumps scorn. A Pew poll last year asking how many trust Trump to do the right thing in world affairs recorded positive responses from 25 percent of Italians, 22 percent of Britons, 14 percent of French, 11 percent of Germans, and all of 7 percent of Spaniards. For the latter three countries, Putin recorded higher scores than Trump; in Germany, more than twice as high.
We worry that this mutual disdain could send Atlantic relations into a downward spiral. To gain a closer feeling for European reactions to Trump and assess where they might lead, we have visited half a dozen European countries over the past six months and interviewed dozens of European opinion leaders. The good news was how little anti-Americanism we encountered, compared to, say, 25 years ago, when Europeans were chafing to break free of their Cold War dependence on the United States, or 15 years ago, when Europeans were aghast at Washingtons decision to invade Iraq without the authorization of the UN Security Council.
In other words, our interlocutors were willing to draw distinctions between America and Trump. About him, for the most part, the views we encountered were unsparing. The French defense intellectual Bruno Tertrais captured the general view, judging him unfit for office, not in any legal senseI have no judgment on thatbut unfit to govern a major Western liberal democracy. Yet, though harsh, the criticisms we heard were for the most part more substantive and less visceral than much of the anti-Trump rhetoric that abounds on this side of the ocean.
The thing people are most alarmed about is the unpredictability, said British author and former think tank head David Goodhart. Many of our conversations substantiated that assessment. Alain Frachon, a columnist and editorial writer for Le Monde, offered this example: After [his] extraordinarily anti-Chinese campaign, Trump receives Xi Jinping in Florida [and comes away saying], He is a fantastic guy. He is my friend. Even a cynical French Foreign Minister would never say something like that.
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/06/05/the-trump-effect-in-europe/
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,741 posts)Except that amoebas aren't so damned mean.
syringis
(5,101 posts)I spat my tea out by the nose
The British Parliament owes me a keyboard
Now seriously, I would have never expected a day will come, where a US president is openly mocked.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)if Trump had to go before Congress on a regular basis like the Prime Minister in England does.
He wouldn't last 10 seconds.
syringis
(5,101 posts)He wouldn't last 3 seconds... And still, only if he's at his best !
This Is What European Diplomats Really Think About Donald Trump
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/this-is-why-european-diplomats-think-donald-trump-is?utm_term=.coM9vz7wN#.nw6zv3Ppq
Renewed respect uh ?
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)It's a curse of the internet age. Lack of real ability to use adjectives and adverbs properly and artistcally. Add in that Trump is basically a salesman, for whom there are no middlin' descriptors. Everything has to be "best" "outstanding" etc. Or, of course "worst" "crappy" etc when referring to the other guy's "product."
We elected an internet troll used car salesman.
DBoon
(22,370 posts)And that is the only part of Europe Trump cares about.
It is an Eurasian country. Only +/- 25% is in Europe.
Very often, "Europe" refers to EU, Russia is not an EU member.
DBoon
(22,370 posts)oh well
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Was living in Germany in 2002 and our local friends were great fans of Americans and were willing to view Bush as an aberration that they were sure the US would rectify. Their faith in our people was fractured by the 2004 reelection, how could Americans be so blind?
Moved back to Germany in 2008 just before the election and Americans were once again welcomed at all turns. Obama was beloved and wounds were healing.
My son is still in Germany. Luckily his German is very good so he doesn't have to give away his origin of birth. Feelings are so toxic and coupled with the rise of the AfD, the dread is almost physical.
syringis
(5,101 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 8, 2018, 03:51 AM - Edit history (1)
Unfortunately, the world judges the country as a whole. While a slightly more detailed analysis shows that each time the US aroused a feeling of rejection, it was the Republicans who ruled.
Relations are much less strained and the world is much better off when the Democrats are in power.
Republicans project an image of arrogance and impose the idea that they rule the world. Therefore, only their will matters and the rest of the world is asked to kneel to the Master.
They do not understand that the world has changed profoundly and that their interference around the world, often under smoky pretexts, is totally inappropriate and frankly counterproductive to American interests.
This is very unfortunate, because US history shows that America have (has ?) contributed much to the world and that they could still do so. On the condition that others are granted a status other than that of vassal.
That said, the situation has never been this bad.
Trump has done considerable damage which unfortunately may not be completely rectified.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)syringis
(5,101 posts)In short, Trump's hair ?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Sometimes I wish Europe would declare war on us under the premise of regime change. You know, kind of like we have done so many times before.
Hope you are well Syringis!
syringis
(5,101 posts)I'm doing better, thank you.
Why should I needlessly harm you ?
I'd like the Republicans to be dismissed permanently, or at least as long as they persevere in their mythical beliefs!
We now have clear evidence their vision is harmful both to their fellow citizens and to the rest of the world.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I don't think Europe would purposely harm us, but I wouldn't mind if they forcefully removed our current government!
Or at least drag them before an international court of law.
He is not only a danger to Americans, but to the entire world. This is something that should concern us all. Trump is a madman and has the potential to not only create havoc economically, but he could literally get us all killed if he doesn't control himself. He needs to go by whatever means possible.