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appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 07:46 PM Jun 2018

*HUD PLAN Raises Rents on Poor, 26% on Ave., 8.3 Mill. Most Vulnerable, Homeless Risk

Last edited Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:23 PM - Edit history (3)

The Trump administration’s latest attack on housing assistance would boost rents by an average 26 percent for millions of financially vulnerable Americans and increase the risk of homelessness, a Center on Budget and Policy Priorities analysis found.

Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary Ben Carson claimed the “Make Affordable Housing Work Act,” which he announced on April 25, would create a path towards self-sufficiency for low-income Americans receiving housing assistance.

Under the plan, which still needs Congressional approval, people receiving housing assistance would see the percentage of their total income they are required to pay towards housing increase from 30 to 35 percent. It would also raise the minimum monthly rent on the 712,000 most financially vulnerable families from $50 to $150 per month, eliminate deductions for medical care and child care, and allow housing authorities to impose work requirements.

However, according to the Associated Press, the analysis shows the rent increase would put low-income residents in the country’s 100 largest metropolitan areas, even those with jobs, at risk of homelessness.

Wages in those areas have not grown at the rate of housing expenses, meaning the nearly 20 percent increase they would pay for rent under the plan is six times higher than the growth in hourly earnings, according to the AP.
READ MORE, https://thinkprogress.org/trump-administration-plan-would-raise-rents-on-poor-people-64ed95618e96/



MIAMI, FL - APRIL 12: U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson speaks to the media during a visit to the Liberty Square apartment complex on April 12, 2017 in Miami, Florida.

*IMPT. TO READ: IN DEPTH AP NEWS ARTICLE with the full Analysis of this HUD plan, linked in the above article.
https://apnews.com/d084d718ddda4fe087219825bad0fcbd

UPDATE: WXYZ, *Ben Carson Backs Off HUD Plan That Would Increase Rent, in Detroit at Press Conference*, June 7, 18
https://www.wxyz.com/news/new-proposal-would-increase-rent-by-20-percent-for-people-living-in-hud-housing

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*HUD PLAN Raises Rents on Poor, 26% on Ave., 8.3 Mill. Most Vulnerable, Homeless Risk (Original Post) appalachiablue Jun 2018 OP
But...but... poverty is a state of mind! Been sez so! muntrv Jun 2018 #1
Attitude adjustment! Raising rents will create 'self sufficiency' too, appalachiablue Jun 2018 #2
Bitterly cruel at a time when historic income inequality is at record levels Arazi Jun 2018 #3
As the article notes most people won't make it, jobs don't exist to appalachiablue Jun 2018 #4
FO to that Fucking GasLighting Stupid GReedy POS. Cha Jun 2018 #5
... Vile predators & Greedheads are really thriving lately, something has to change. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #6
And....Fox "news" hate radio and prosperity preachers workinclasszero Jun 2018 #26
Until lately and fortunately I was fairly limited to the appalachiablue Jun 2018 #27
This was back in April, has there been an update? MariaCSR Jun 2018 #7
In the original Think Progress article at the link below the excerpts appalachiablue Jun 2018 #9
Is the thing about the elderly and disabled being exempt from this still apply? MariaCSR Jun 2018 #11
I saw that too and wondered. Can't tell, but hopefully it exempts appalachiablue Jun 2018 #13
So when is this "congressional approval" supposed to take place? MariaCSR Jun 2018 #8
If not in the AP News article I posted, I don't have an idea. Someone else might though. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #10
When they can slip it through without much attention Hortensis Jun 2018 #14
That's exactly right MariaCSR Jun 2018 #17
Kards not on my radar, so just googled. Hortensis Jun 2018 #28
This is just so sick, cruel and evil. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #12
He expresses some strange ideas & should no way be in govt. with appalachiablue Jun 2018 #23
I just heard this morning that this was rescinded BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #15
Thanks, that's good. IF they don't revisit it, esp. after the Nov. elections. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #16
I love Joe Madison. MariaCSR Jun 2018 #18
Madison lives in D.C. BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #19
Thanks for that because it was hard trying to find the confirmation! BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #20
If they maintain control of Congress, we'll see cuts to every aspect of the social safety net. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #22
Absolute truth. The Next Election is it: *VOTE, YOUR LIFE DOES DEPEND ON IT!* appalachiablue Jun 2018 #24
And yet another example of how there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. honest.abe Jun 2018 #21
Correct. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #25

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
2. Attitude adjustment! Raising rents will create 'self sufficiency' too,
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 09:20 PM
Jun 2018

not to mention more profit. If this proposal passes look for even more homeless in the US.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
4. As the article notes most people won't make it, jobs don't exist to
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 10:07 PM
Jun 2018

support harsh increases and new rules. RE owners will gain and private for profit prisons with more inmate labor in 21st c. Workhouses/Debtors Prisons which existed in early America and elsewhere. ~ As boys, both Charles Dickens and Charlie Chaplin labored in workhouses in Victorian England because their families were in debt and impoverished.
___________

-New Records Cast Light on Life in Victorian Workhouses, 19 August 2010.

1601- the Poor Law marked the beginning of state-sponsored relief for the poor in Britain.



-Dinner time at a workhouse

The records recount instances of family breakdown, poverty, greed, violence and neglect of the poor. Previously unseen records shedding new light on life in Victorian workhouses have gone online for the first time. They include thousands of untouched 19th Century letters, memos and reports between the Cardiff and Llanfyllin Poor Law Unions and the boards regulating workhouses in London. The documents have been pieced together by volunteer groups, including several in Wales...https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-11015965

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
6. ... Vile predators & Greedheads are really thriving lately, something has to change.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:40 AM
Jun 2018

How did the US spawn this? 40+ years of RW, Ayn Rand nutty libertarianism & raw laissez faire exploitation like it's 1895.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
26. And....Fox "news" hate radio and prosperity preachers
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:20 PM
Jun 2018

After all, God wants you to be rich so if you are poor why you must be a dirty rotten God hater and deserve to die homeless and penniless in the nearest ditch.

And everybody said Amen

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
27. Until lately and fortunately I was fairly limited to the
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jun 2018

popularity of the RW's "prosperity gospel," widespread hate of the poor and less fortunate and the extent of insanity from mass propaganda on the right. FOX SUCKERS. F&F are mainly liberal, none hard RW or fundie Xian. But now I'm woke and it's ugly out there..

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
9. In the original Think Progress article at the link below the excerpts
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:40 AM
Jun 2018

in the body of my Post/OP, there's an *underlined part, "*analysis," at the end of the first sentence: "The Trump administration’s latest attack on housing assistance would boost rents by an average 26 percent for millions of financially vulnerable Americans and increase the risk of homelessness, a Center on Budget and Policy Priorities *analysis found."

When you click on that link, it opens this *lengthy AP News report from yesterday with the analysis study of the proposal.
https://apnews.com/d084d718ddda4fe087219825bad0fcbd

*The AP article also notes Carson's appearance at an event YESTERDAY in Detroit where he commented on the plan.
This is likely why the article with analysis was done yesterday, even though the Plan was announced in April by Carson/HUD.

"At an event in Detroit on Thursday, Carson said the proposal is the result of budget constraints. He said the plan could
change based on funding for the agency, adding that HUD has already begun working with Congress.."

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-administration-plan-would-raise-rents-on-poor-people-64ed95618e96/

There's also another post on DU from yesterday with the straight AP News report, somewhere, I glanced at it last night.

NOTE: Always a good idea to click and read the full original article at the link, where there's much more info. usually and highlighted internal links appear. Due to copyright restrictions, posters are only allowed to post the first 3-4 paragraphs of a breaking news article- a small amount-- from an original published article.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
10. If not in the AP News article I posted, I don't have an idea. Someone else might though.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:43 AM
Jun 2018

Keep checking the news, or contact the HUD agency is all I can say.

**Edited to Add: I just noticed this part in the AP article, but read the entire piece--some info. seems conflicting.

"Roughly 4 million low-income households receiving HUD assistance would be affected by the proposal. *HUD estimates that about 2 million would be affected immediately, while the other 2 million would see rent increases phased in after six years.
The proposal, which needs congressional approval, is the latest attempt by the Trump administration to scale back the social safety net, under the belief that charging more for rent will prompt those receiving federal assistance to enter the workforce and earn more income. “It’s our attempt to give poor people a way out of poverty,” *Carson said in a recent interview with Fox News."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. When they can slip it through without much attention
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:08 AM
Jun 2018

is my guess.

Back around the same time Trump asked for a huge budget cut to the CHIPS program that Repubs were reluctantly forced to fund a few months ago, but it was felt congress wouldn't dare do that until after November 6. That'd get the wrong attention for sure, especially coming on top of their atrocities toward immigrant children.

 

MariaCSR

(642 posts)
17. That's exactly right
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:34 AM
Jun 2018

when they think we're not looking (which most of us won't be because we're too busy talking about Kardashians)

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. This is just so sick, cruel and evil.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:53 AM
Jun 2018

Carson is one fucked up dude. "In keeping with his Seventh-day Adventist faith Carson announced in 2014 his belief, "that the United States will play a big role" in the coming apocalypse. He went on to say, "I hope by that time I'm not around anymore."

In an interview with Katie Couric, Carson said that Jesus Christ came to Earth to redeem the world through his atoning sacrifice and that all people are sinners and need his redemption.

Another one who does not care about suffering here on earth. I just can't understand how people like this are allowed to hold such power in our nation.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
23. He expresses some strange ideas & should no way be in govt. with
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:11 PM
Jun 2018

that high level of responsibility. He lacks the qualifications, like others, clearly.

"Sinners, suffering, the apocalypse, redemption, Jesus.." wow.

Lol.


Ten years ago I recall Carson on programs like CSPAN when he was still surgeoning, receiving many work accolades and promoting his biography with education, career and background. He emphasized his rather poor but hard working upbringing, seemed quite 'worldly' and very much into wealth and status to me then. None of the 'after I'm gone' stuff, although he mentioned his religion.
(I can't follow much hard rt. news, it would do me in!).

- Carson's NoVa. home with paintings, honors and trophies has been featured much in the news.



BumRushDaShow

(129,118 posts)
15. I just heard this morning that this was rescinded
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jun 2018

Found a link (had heard this on Madison's show this morning) -

Ben Carson backs off HUD plan that would increase rent in Detroit press conference

12:48 PM, Jun 7, 2018
5:18 PM, Jun 7, 2018

DETROIT (WXYZ) - HUD Secretary Ben Carson backed off of a controversial plan that would have increased rent for HUD housing. If implemented, the proposal would have raised rent by 20 percent.

The purpose of the proposal was to get people to be less dependent on the system, something Cassandra Crutcher who lives in Detroit HUD housing does not understand. “We staying in this community, first of all, because we don’t have, you know, a lot,” said Crutchner.

7 Action News was able to track down Secretary Carson during a press conference announcing new HUD initiatives. “The key thing to remember is everything that we’re doing is aimed at elevating people, at giving people an opportunity of removing some of the perverse incentives that have kept people in dependent positions,” said Carson.

However, Carson is now backing off, saying other funding has come through, so there is no need to increase rent. If something changes and the plan is revisited, HUD estimates two million across the nation would be immediately impacted, with another two million impacted over the next six years.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/new-proposal-would-increase-rent-by-20-percent-for-people-living-in-hud-housing

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
16. Thanks, that's good. IF they don't revisit it, esp. after the Nov. elections.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:30 AM
Jun 2018

The HUD plan recall is also suggested in the AP News article from yesterday, (I think) but glad to know WXYZ and Joe Madison picked it up. And regardless, gutting the Safety Net and punishing the poor and vulnerable is in their sites for decades, like the Louisiana nursing home people who were sent eviction notices over Mother's Day, the cuts to the CHIP program and more.

AP News: "At an event in Detroit on Thursday, Carson said the proposal is the result of budget constraints. He said the plan could change based on funding for the agency, adding that HUD has already begun working with Congress.

“The reason that we had to even consider rent increases is because we’re working with a specific budget,” Carson said. “And in order not to have to raise rents on the elderly and the disabled or to displace people who are already in programs, that was the only option.”

“The original rent increases were to make sure we didn’t have to raise rents on elderly and disabled people,” Carson said. “Now we have some increased funding, we’re not going to” have to, he said."

https://apnews.com/d084d718ddda4fe087219825bad0fcbd

 

MariaCSR

(642 posts)
18. I love Joe Madison.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jun 2018

I love that dude. I actually met him when he was here in DC for some sort of journalist conference. I saw him at the grocery store.

BumRushDaShow

(129,118 posts)
19. Madison lives in D.C.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jun 2018

He's been there for awhile now (probably around 20 years or so since he used to be on WRC and on WOL for a bit). I first heard him here in Philly back in 1989 when he was doing the graveyard shift on WWDB FM. He still talks about that story where he had moved to Bala Cynwyd, (just outside of Philly) with his then-young family back then... but was still commuting to Detroit where he earlier lived and was still hosting a show there as well. After about a month or so on the air here, he was fired. I have been following him around whereever he was broadcasting ever since.

Used to travel down to D.C. metro a lot and would listen to him down there on WRC when he had a show in between Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy. He would be bombarded by the crazies who listened to those two. One of the stations here also used to pick up his syndicated feed for awhile as well (I think back in the late '90s/early 2000s).

I happened to be watching CSPAN early morning one time back in 2007 and saw him when CSPAN used to do simulcasts of political talk hosts and that's how I found out he was on XM radio. I immediately subscribed (they eventually became SiriusXM) and have continued to listen to him on that ever since! Next year will be 30 years. Yikes!

BumRushDaShow

(129,118 posts)
20. Thanks for that because it was hard trying to find the confirmation!
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:51 AM
Jun 2018

At least from a "national" source although the local source obviously scooped them.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. If they maintain control of Congress, we'll see cuts to every aspect of the social safety net.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:10 PM
Jun 2018

This gets said a lot, but this next election is the most important of my lifetime.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
21. And yet another example of how there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jun 2018

If I ever hear that comment again think i will puke.

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