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RandySF

(58,911 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 11:53 PM Jun 2018

This is it, people

The Trump Department of Justice submitted a brief asking the courts to kill the preexisting provisions of the ACA. My wife's difficult pregnancy (from 12 years ago) and resulting condition go back on the table.

There's no time to fight over superdelegates.

We don't have the luxury of chasing candidates who have no chance in November.

Perfection is not an option.

We have to win THIS year.

Our lives depend on it.

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This is it, people (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2018 OP
No more fucking around ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #1
K&R... spanone Jun 2018 #2
Apparently they don't want to lose 50 seats grantcart Jun 2018 #3
These premeditated murderers must be stopped NOW K&R Guilded Lilly Jun 2018 #4
Beyond all doubt, this is it, now is the time for action defacto7 Jun 2018 #5
All for tax cuts for billionaires sharedvalues Jun 2018 #6
Need some more info on this. Doesn't sound right. What court in what case? Pepsidog Jun 2018 #7
Here RandySF Jun 2018 #8
They are all but guaranteeing single payer if they mess with pre-existing. They will be voted out of Pepsidog Jun 2018 #11
That sounds a little too much like Susan Sarandan RandySF Jun 2018 #12
People die in revolutions. murielm99 Jun 2018 #18
Formerly pregnant :) RandySF Jun 2018 #19
I'm gonna slap myself for that Pepsidog Jun 2018 #50
No, we get nothing. We would need a super majority...we are years perhaps decades away. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #24
I totally agree but we are indeed decades away from a supermajority. As a Texan I can tell you walkingman Jun 2018 #51
Here's the whole thread - RandomAccess Jun 2018 #30
And here's an important article RandomAccess Jun 2018 #31
Nothing new here central scrutinizer Jun 2018 #40
Fuck the CEO's/CFO's of these middleman insurance companies that are destroying lives C Moon Jun 2018 #9
As my sign for the marches states Heartstrings Jun 2018 #10
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2018 #13
Add in that HUD wants to throw people out of Section 8 housing Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #14
Yes, Thank You, Bradshaw! Cha Jun 2018 #16
A smaller society with fewer people is easier to play "king" in. haele Jun 2018 #45
Thank you, RandySF.. and I hope Cha Jun 2018 #15
I thought it was critical back in Nov 2016 radical noodle Jun 2018 #17
It was, OMG, it was workinclasszero Jun 2018 #28
Everything we had radical noodle Jun 2018 #42
K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #20
We have no choice but to rid this country of them lunatica Jun 2018 #21
California turnout was only 22% of eligible voters this week. ehrnst Jun 2018 #22
This scares me to death workinclasszero Jun 2018 #25
Hell the republicans just voted to kill sick kids so yeah workinclasszero Jun 2018 #23
and the Repugs have just voted to defund CHIP B Stieg Jun 2018 #26
this is an assault bdamomma Jun 2018 #27
This is why McTurtle is the most evil one of the bunch bigbrother05 Jun 2018 #29
It's not only Democrats who have pre-existing conditions OMGWTF Jun 2018 #32
Agree, wholeheartedly. We will never get the whole loaf. Nobody does. Fla Dem Jun 2018 #33
Most of us will never have insurance again. citizen blues Jun 2018 #34
DUAC!! sixsixsick Jun 2018 #35
My 21 year old daughter has been Type 1 diabetic SCantiGOP Jun 2018 #36
Keep this thread going...it is damned important. CanonRay Jun 2018 #37
If the GOP maintains control of Congress, we'll see cuts to every aspect of the social safety net. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #38
My oldest had 2 Brain Tumors removed. sellitman Jun 2018 #39
Good Soxfan58 Jun 2018 #41
The freedom to have no health insurance - Yay! klook Jun 2018 #43
A lot of Dems are running on health care, along with gun control, infrastructure repair, and Nitram Jun 2018 #44
Trumpy is evil and he's running a death cult. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2018 #46
Kick for visibility! Raster Jun 2018 #47
Kick, November: VOTE BECAUSE YOUR LIFE DOES DEPEND ON IT! appalachiablue Jun 2018 #48
Yes, yes they do! jimlup Jun 2018 #49
K&R montana_hazeleyes Jun 2018 #52
But but but ... death panels!!! Bluesaph Jun 2018 #53
Right.... Perfection is not an option. WINNING is what we need to do. WIN. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #54
Yes and that includes DUers twisting Sanders words when he is in fact calling on populistdriven Jun 2018 #55
From what i read, consumer protection regarding age and gender Ilsa Jun 2018 #56
I'm with you, RandySF! Lifelong Protester Jun 2018 #57
We can't allow the Trump worshipers, looney end-timers, Koch-owned critters, Prof.Higgins Jun 2018 #58
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2018 #59
Also no time to criticize Democrats for not being "progressive" enough. honest.abe Jun 2018 #60

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
3. Apparently they don't want to lose 50 seats
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:05 AM
Jun 2018

They want to lose 100 and the Senate

The pre existing condition requirement was the most popular part.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
6. All for tax cuts for billionaires
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:09 AM
Jun 2018

Enabled by the right wing propaganda machine.

Billionaires, liars, and propagandists using hate an division to get votes: the modern Republican Party.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
11. They are all but guaranteeing single payer if they mess with pre-existing. They will be voted out of
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:47 AM
Jun 2018

existence. This is the straw the will break the Republican backs

RandySF

(58,911 posts)
12. That sounds a little too much like Susan Sarandan
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:50 AM
Jun 2018

when she said that a Trump election would bring the revolution. I don't feel like taking that kind of chance.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
18. People die in revolutions.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 01:51 AM
Jun 2018

Who would die in this one? Pregnant women, like the OP's wife. School children, in school shootings. The elderly. The poor.

Fuck off, Susan. I don't want your kind of revolution.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
24. No, we get nothing. We would need a super majority...we are years perhaps decades away.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jun 2018

You all never understood...the ACA was a precursor to universal coverage without it...we are back to the drawing board and it won't happen for years.

walkingman

(7,628 posts)
51. I totally agree but we are indeed decades away from a supermajority. As a Texan I can tell you
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 04:02 PM
Jun 2018

that that will not happen anytime soon. Sadly almost everyone I know is a Trump fan and I don't see that changing anywhere in the South. Something in the water, I guess?

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
30. Here's the whole thread -
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:07 AM
Jun 2018

courtesy of Thread Reader https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004897703401312256.html

BREAKING: The biggest health care news of the year.

The Trump DOJ tonight just told the courts to dismantle pre-existing conditions protections and other consumer protections.

This may seem predictable, but these actions are unprecedented.

More coming. Follow if interested.
Before I get into it, I have to stop and just repeat this another way:

The DOJ, responsible for upholding the rule of law, is not defending the people in a frivolous lawsuit to say that wi5out the mandate, the rest of the ACA can’t be enforced. 2/
This collusion between the conservative plaintiffs and the “defense” would make pre-ex protections and age rating protections unconstitutional.

In an active of savage cynicism, the Trump Administration doesn’t want this to go into effect until after the election. 3/
On the phone now with experts. Give me a minute. 4/
I am going got try to cover what happened and what is likely to happen next.

A gift for insurance companies and the infliction of harm on the lives of 130 million Americans w pre ex conditions or older Americans.

So what happened... 5/
Two really destructive instincts have combined: a desire to turn back the ACA and hurt the millions who benefit from it (not through the exchanges but through the protections) AND an unprecedented move by the Justice Dept. not to defend the rule of law in a frivolous case. 6/
FOR AMERICANS WITH PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS: This is game on that the Administration is against you. Same if you ever may get sick.

(Excuse all CAPS for looking like I’m yelling. But I’m literally in a restaurant in DC and feel like I should probably be yelling.) 7/
Legally, this is the justice department laying down and refusing to do their jobs for political reasons.

Three career Justice Department officials quit the case today, presumably in protest. Amazing.

Unbelievable details c/o @nicholas_bagley 7/

Texas Fold 'Em | Take Care
The Trump administration has asked a district court to wipe much of the ACA from the books, starting in 2019. The brief represents an enormous blow to the integrity of the Justice Department -- and a…
https://takecareblog.com/blog/texas-fold-em
So what happens now: it is up to other states (who filed tonight) to do what the Federal government wouldn’t— and argue on behalf of the public. 8/
Experts tell me the following.

Frivolous lawsuit will attract every conservative lawyer to get this o the Supreme Court.

Even though conservative experts point out how frivolous this is. 9/

There are chances this ends up past the crazy judge who has the case now, the 5th(?) circuit and on the Lap of Chief Justice Roberts.

Only imagine a USOC case with the Solicitor in cohorts with the defendant.

Sound unprecedented? Probably why career lawyers walked out. 10/
This could hit the Supreme Court in 2019 earliest or more likely . . . 2020.

And who knows what the make up of the court is by then? If Trump us a chance to replace a liberal judge, it may even be out of Roberts hands. 11/
More important than ever...

-A loud public outcry
-Educate the public what could happen after the election
-Support for states preventing this
-A Dem Senate for the USOC
-A press and an electorate that makes every R who voted to eliminate the mandate account for this 12/
I will close with this: people who care about public health don’t do this. People who care about the rule of law don’t do this.

The people responsible must come to regret it when they face the electorate. /end for now— I’m not going anywhere.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
31. And here's an important article
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:23 AM
Jun 2018

about the LAWLESSNESS of this move, and what it protends.

https://takecareblog.com/blog/texas-fold-em


I for one am concerned. No, I’m frightened. Not so much about the ACA: I still regard it as extremely unlikely that the Supreme Court will adopt an argument as far-fetched as the one that the states have advanced. And, so far as I can make out, the Trump administration will continue to enforce the ACA while the litigation progresses.

No, I’m frightened for what this says about the rule of law. I don’t like being an alarmist about the rule of law—there’s a risk I’ll come off as unhinged and naïve. But I’m serious. The Trump administration has just announced that it doesn’t care that a law was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President. All that matters if that it hates the law and has a (laughable) argument for casting it aside.

That’s not a rule of law I recognize. That’s a rule by whim. And it scares me.

central scrutinizer

(11,652 posts)
40. Nothing new here
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:31 PM
Jun 2018

Remember the sanctions against Russia overwhelmingly passed by both houses of Congress? The maladministration has refused to implement anything.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
9. Fuck the CEO's/CFO's of these middleman insurance companies that are destroying lives
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:41 AM
Jun 2018

and forcing people to suffer.
I don't believe in heaven/hell, but I sure hope there is a hell, and hell is perfect place for them.

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
14. Add in that HUD wants to throw people out of Section 8 housing
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 01:20 AM
Jun 2018

By raising rents 25 percent or more. These "people" are perfectly ok with creating homelessness, tearing babies from mothers arms and, yes, letting people die from lack of healthcare. Yes, lives (and our democracy) do depend on the November elections. We have to vote for every Democrat - even ones we don't like - in order to stop this growing cancer on our country.

haele

(12,660 posts)
45. A smaller society with fewer people is easier to play "king" in.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 02:02 PM
Jun 2018

And pretty much that's all this is.

Rule of thumb for dictators, mob bosses, small town "Big Daddies" and oligarchs in modern times - one jackbooted thug can typically control no more than up to 22 independent/responsible adults (i.e., no dependent adults, adults who have abjured their individuality, or children) at a time - about as many people as can be shot with one semi-automatic weapon before said individual enforcer might be overwhelmed.
Any more than 22, the chances of at least one independent person gaining a leadership position of the controlled group and initiating acts of defiance begins to go up.
So, if a "boss" doesn't want to go to the expense of bribing more bullies to control the rest of the households and their businesses on his or her "turf", the only other option is to reduce the number of marks or civilians to control. And get rid of the "troublemakers" and less profitable ones first.

All one needs to do is observe what happens in small towns, religious "enclaves" - and third world countries. Like any rancher, the bosses are always trying to cull the herds they control to maintain both uniformity and compliancy so those herds are easier to manage and profit off.

Welcome to Americha, the home of the bosses.

Haele

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
17. I thought it was critical back in Nov 2016
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 01:45 AM
Jun 2018

Most of us have been aware for a long time that perfection is not an option. Good luck to you and your wife and I hope they are not allowed to get away with this.

We may think Republicans are stupid (and many are) but they did know that they had to vote for trump to get judges on their side and to get some of the things they wanted. Obviously some who are supposed to be on our side (liberal/progressive) still haven't learned that lesson.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
28. It was, OMG, it was
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jun 2018

And America voted in total republican control of the government.

Now two years in the results are going to start killing the poor, sick and elderly.

Wait till Trump's tariff war starts biting into the little a lot of us have or a sickness or accident strikes.

And Bone Spurs still has two whole years to ramp up a war with Iran.

This country and many innocent poor children and adults are going to pay heavily for the sin of electing Trump and the republicans into power.

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
42. Everything we had
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jun 2018

was given up to promote a revolution that would never happen. And it will forever be the worst thing that's happened to our country to this point in time.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
21. We have no choice but to rid this country of them
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 02:45 AM
Jun 2018

If it’s this bad now it will be infinitely worse in a very short time. The longer we wait the harder it’ll be.

We have to vote because our lives depend on it.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
25. This scares me to death
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:34 AM
Jun 2018

In the biggest blue state in the country, democratic apathy abounds.

This country will be a fascist hellscape forever if democrats don't get off their asses and VOTE in the midterms.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
23. Hell the republicans just voted to kill sick kids so yeah
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:31 AM
Jun 2018

they will stop at nothing now.

House Republicans eliminate funding for Children's Health Insurance Program
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210708151

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
27. this is an assault
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:40 AM
Jun 2018

on us, to get as much from us as possible for their greedy needs, they want all of it, no matter what.

We need to think the same way, if they (repigs) keep pushing there will be push back no American will stand for this shit.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
29. This is why McTurtle is the most evil one of the bunch
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:55 AM
Jun 2018

His action on the Courts will poison everything this country has accomplished since it's founding.

They want to return to a virtual monarchy, how long before they declare First Night privileges?

Fla Dem

(23,691 posts)
33. Agree, wholeheartedly. We will never get the whole loaf. Nobody does.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:29 AM
Jun 2018

But while "all or nothing" crowd holds out for everything on their demand list, everyone else loses those thing we might have achieved. We all suffer for their recalcitrance.

citizen blues

(570 posts)
34. Most of us will never have insurance again.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jun 2018

At least insurance that’s worth a damn. I know I won’t.

Not a surprise. Trump is the type of scum-sucking slime to have cut off insurance to his own disabled niece over a family dispute. If he’s capable of doing that to family, he’a Capable of doing far worse to the rest of us. No conscious!

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
36. My 21 year old daughter has been Type 1 diabetic
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:51 AM
Jun 2018

Since she was 5. This would have been death sentence for her if her parents hadn’t either had employer insurance (which I did) or Obamacare.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
38. If the GOP maintains control of Congress, we'll see cuts to every aspect of the social safety net.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jun 2018

GOTFV

sellitman

(11,607 posts)
39. My oldest had 2 Brain Tumors removed.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jun 2018

I could be out on the street if it reoccurs.

God Dam him!

Time to ratchet up the vote!!

We don't need a wave...we need a Monsoon.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
44. A lot of Dems are running on health care, along with gun control, infrastructure repair, and
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 01:59 PM
Jun 2018

immigration reform.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
46. Trumpy is evil and he's running a death cult.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 02:04 PM
Jun 2018

The GOP just cut CHIP out of the budget. Early deaths are okay for GOPers, too. In fact, the more deaths (especially to minorities, kids, and women), the better.

Bluesaph

(703 posts)
53. But but but ... death panels!!!
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 05:00 PM
Jun 2018

Idiotic Sarah Palin and her ilk!

How’s about insurance company being your damned death panel!!

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)
55. Yes and that includes DUers twisting Sanders words when he is in fact calling on
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jun 2018

independents to do exactly as the OP states!











Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
56. From what i read, consumer protection regarding age and gender
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 06:40 PM
Jun 2018

are slated to go, also. The insurance companies have bought the gopee.

Prof.Higgins

(194 posts)
58. We can't allow the Trump worshipers, looney end-timers, Koch-owned critters,
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:03 PM
Jun 2018

Rupert Murdoch's FoxNews propagandists, dumbass Global Warming deniers, greedy oligarchs (ours and Putin's), rabid warmongers, lizard-brained racism/sexism/bigotry hatemongers, NRA's gun-nutters etc. to annihilate America's mutual-care social safety net and our rule of law for two more years aided and abetted by this diabolical Republican Congress.

Don't boo. Vote!

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
60. Also no time to criticize Democrats for not being "progressive" enough.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:11 PM
Jun 2018

The only thing to focus on now is winning in November... period.

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