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The Trump Department of Justice submitted a brief asking the courts to kill the preexisting provisions of the ACA. My wife's difficult pregnancy (from 12 years ago) and resulting condition go back on the table.
There's no time to fight over superdelegates.
We don't have the luxury of chasing candidates who have no chance in November.
Perfection is not an option.
We have to win THIS year.
Our lives depend on it.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)They want to lose 100 and the Senate
The pre existing condition requirement was the most popular part.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Winning is all that matters here and now.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Enabled by the right wing propaganda machine.
Billionaires, liars, and propagandists using hate an division to get votes: the modern Republican Party.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)existence. This is the straw the will break the Republican backs
RandySF
(58,911 posts)when she said that a Trump election would bring the revolution. I don't feel like taking that kind of chance.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)Who would die in this one? Pregnant women, like the OP's wife. School children, in school shootings. The elderly. The poor.
Fuck off, Susan. I don't want your kind of revolution.
RandySF
(58,911 posts)But she developed a condition just before our son was born.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)You all never understood...the ACA was a precursor to universal coverage without it...we are back to the drawing board and it won't happen for years.
walkingman
(7,628 posts)that that will not happen anytime soon. Sadly almost everyone I know is a Trump fan and I don't see that changing anywhere in the South. Something in the water, I guess?
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)courtesy of Thread Reader https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004897703401312256.html
BREAKING: The biggest health care news of the year.
The Trump DOJ tonight just told the courts to dismantle pre-existing conditions protections and other consumer protections.
This may seem predictable, but these actions are unprecedented.
More coming. Follow if interested.
Before I get into it, I have to stop and just repeat this another way:
The DOJ, responsible for upholding the rule of law, is not defending the people in a frivolous lawsuit to say that wi5out the mandate, the rest of the ACA cant be enforced. 2/
This collusion between the conservative plaintiffs and the defense would make pre-ex protections and age rating protections unconstitutional.
In an active of savage cynicism, the Trump Administration doesnt want this to go into effect until after the election. 3/
On the phone now with experts. Give me a minute. 4/
I am going got try to cover what happened and what is likely to happen next.
A gift for insurance companies and the infliction of harm on the lives of 130 million Americans w pre ex conditions or older Americans.
So what happened... 5/
Two really destructive instincts have combined: a desire to turn back the ACA and hurt the millions who benefit from it (not through the exchanges but through the protections) AND an unprecedented move by the Justice Dept. not to defend the rule of law in a frivolous case. 6/
FOR AMERICANS WITH PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS: This is game on that the Administration is against you. Same if you ever may get sick.
(Excuse all CAPS for looking like Im yelling. But Im literally in a restaurant in DC and feel like I should probably be yelling.) 7/
Legally, this is the justice department laying down and refusing to do their jobs for political reasons.
Three career Justice Department officials quit the case today, presumably in protest. Amazing.
Unbelievable details c/o @nicholas_bagley 7/
Texas Fold 'Em | Take Care
The Trump administration has asked a district court to wipe much of the ACA from the books, starting in 2019. The brief represents an enormous blow to the integrity of the Justice Department -- and a
https://takecareblog.com/blog/texas-fold-em
So what happens now: it is up to other states (who filed tonight) to do what the Federal government wouldnt and argue on behalf of the public. 8/
Experts tell me the following.
Frivolous lawsuit will attract every conservative lawyer to get this o the Supreme Court.
Even though conservative experts point out how frivolous this is. 9/
There are chances this ends up past the crazy judge who has the case now, the 5th(?) circuit and on the Lap of Chief Justice Roberts.
Only imagine a USOC case with the Solicitor in cohorts with the defendant.
Sound unprecedented? Probably why career lawyers walked out. 10/
This could hit the Supreme Court in 2019 earliest or more likely . . . 2020.
And who knows what the make up of the court is by then? If Trump us a chance to replace a liberal judge, it may even be out of Roberts hands. 11/
More important than ever...
-A loud public outcry
-Educate the public what could happen after the election
-Support for states preventing this
-A Dem Senate for the USOC
-A press and an electorate that makes every R who voted to eliminate the mandate account for this 12/
I will close with this: people who care about public health dont do this. People who care about the rule of law dont do this.
The people responsible must come to regret it when they face the electorate. /end for now Im not going anywhere.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)about the LAWLESSNESS of this move, and what it protends.
https://takecareblog.com/blog/texas-fold-em
I for one am concerned. No, Im frightened. Not so much about the ACA: I still regard it as extremely unlikely that the Supreme Court will adopt an argument as far-fetched as the one that the states have advanced. And, so far as I can make out, the Trump administration will continue to enforce the ACA while the litigation progresses.
No, Im frightened for what this says about the rule of law. I dont like being an alarmist about the rule of lawtheres a risk Ill come off as unhinged and naïve. But Im serious. The Trump administration has just announced that it doesnt care that a law was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President. All that matters if that it hates the law and has a (laughable) argument for casting it aside.
Thats not a rule of law I recognize. Thats a rule by whim. And it scares me.
central scrutinizer
(11,652 posts)Remember the sanctions against Russia overwhelmingly passed by both houses of Congress? The maladministration has refused to implement anything.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)and forcing people to suffer.
I don't believe in heaven/hell, but I sure hope there is a hell, and hell is perfect place for them.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)"Vote like your life depends on it!"
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,522 posts)By raising rents 25 percent or more. These "people" are perfectly ok with creating homelessness, tearing babies from mothers arms and, yes, letting people die from lack of healthcare. Yes, lives (and our democracy) do depend on the November elections. We have to vote for every Democrat - even ones we don't like - in order to stop this growing cancer on our country.
Cha
(297,323 posts)haele
(12,660 posts)And pretty much that's all this is.
Rule of thumb for dictators, mob bosses, small town "Big Daddies" and oligarchs in modern times - one jackbooted thug can typically control no more than up to 22 independent/responsible adults (i.e., no dependent adults, adults who have abjured their individuality, or children) at a time - about as many people as can be shot with one semi-automatic weapon before said individual enforcer might be overwhelmed.
Any more than 22, the chances of at least one independent person gaining a leadership position of the controlled group and initiating acts of defiance begins to go up.
So, if a "boss" doesn't want to go to the expense of bribing more bullies to control the rest of the households and their businesses on his or her "turf", the only other option is to reduce the number of marks or civilians to control. And get rid of the "troublemakers" and less profitable ones first.
All one needs to do is observe what happens in small towns, religious "enclaves" - and third world countries. Like any rancher, the bosses are always trying to cull the herds they control to maintain both uniformity and compliancy so those herds are easier to manage and profit off.
Welcome to Americha, the home of the bosses.
Haele
Cha
(297,323 posts)everybody who wants to see trumpFraud GONE gets that.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)Most of us have been aware for a long time that perfection is not an option. Good luck to you and your wife and I hope they are not allowed to get away with this.
We may think Republicans are stupid (and many are) but they did know that they had to vote for trump to get judges on their side and to get some of the things they wanted. Obviously some who are supposed to be on our side (liberal/progressive) still haven't learned that lesson.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And America voted in total republican control of the government.
Now two years in the results are going to start killing the poor, sick and elderly.
Wait till Trump's tariff war starts biting into the little a lot of us have or a sickness or accident strikes.
And Bone Spurs still has two whole years to ramp up a war with Iran.
This country and many innocent poor children and adults are going to pay heavily for the sin of electing Trump and the republicans into power.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)was given up to promote a revolution that would never happen. And it will forever be the worst thing that's happened to our country to this point in time.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)This is madness. It has to stop.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)If its this bad now it will be infinitely worse in a very short time. The longer we wait the harder itll be.
We have to vote because our lives depend on it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What the fuck is going on there?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)In the biggest blue state in the country, democratic apathy abounds.
This country will be a fascist hellscape forever if democrats don't get off their asses and VOTE in the midterms.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)they will stop at nothing now.
House Republicans eliminate funding for Children's Health Insurance Program
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210708151
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)What have these guys have against healthy people?
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)on us, to get as much from us as possible for their greedy needs, they want all of it, no matter what.
We need to think the same way, if they (repigs) keep pushing there will be push back no American will stand for this shit.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)His action on the Courts will poison everything this country has accomplished since it's founding.
They want to return to a virtual monarchy, how long before they declare First Night privileges?
OMGWTF
(3,959 posts)Fla Dem
(23,691 posts)But while "all or nothing" crowd holds out for everything on their demand list, everyone else loses those thing we might have achieved. We all suffer for their recalcitrance.
citizen blues
(570 posts)At least insurance thats worth a damn. I know I wont.
Not a surprise. Trump is the type of scum-sucking slime to have cut off insurance to his own disabled niece over a family dispute. If hes capable of doing that to family, hea Capable of doing far worse to the rest of us. No conscious!
sixsixsick
(10 posts)DUAC!!
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Since she was 5. This would have been death sentence for her if her parents hadnt either had employer insurance (which I did) or Obamacare.
CanonRay
(14,104 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)GOTFV
sellitman
(11,607 posts)I could be out on the street if it reoccurs.
God Dam him!
Time to ratchet up the vote!!
We don't need a wave...we need a Monsoon.
We need to get people fired up again. Remind them what is at stake.
klook
(12,157 posts)What is wrong with these fuckheads?
Nitram
(22,822 posts)immigration reform.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)The GOP just cut CHIP out of the budget. Early deaths are okay for GOPers, too. In fact, the more deaths (especially to minorities, kids, and women), the better.
Raster
(20,998 posts)appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)montana_hazeleyes
(3,424 posts)Bluesaph
(703 posts)Idiotic Sarah Palin and her ilk!
Hows about insurance company being your damned death panel!!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)populistdriven
(5,644 posts)independents to do exactly as the OP states!
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)are slated to go, also. The insurance companies have bought the gopee.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Prof.Higgins
(194 posts)Rupert Murdoch's FoxNews propagandists, dumbass Global Warming deniers, greedy oligarchs (ours and Putin's), rabid warmongers, lizard-brained racism/sexism/bigotry hatemongers, NRA's gun-nutters etc. to annihilate America's mutual-care social safety net and our rule of law for two more years aided and abetted by this diabolical Republican Congress.
Don't boo. Vote!
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)honest.abe
(8,678 posts)The only thing to focus on now is winning in November... period.