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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 07:57 AM Jun 2018

Iowa student killed after being deported to Mexico

BY MORGAN GSTALTER - 06/07/18 06:29 PM EDT

An Iowa high school student was killed three weeks after he was deported from the U.S. back to Mexico, the country he left when he was 3 years old.

The Des Moines Register reported Thursday that Manuel Antonio Cano Pacheco was scheduled to graduate from high school last month but died just after being deported by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

His mother told the newspaper that Pacheco was once a recipient of President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which protected young people who were brought into the country illegally as children.

President Trump announced his administration was ending the program last year and Congress has been scrambling to come up with a solution for the so-called Dreamers, recipients of the DACA program.

Pacheco, 19, was deported back to Zacatecas, Mexico, on April 24 at the border in Laredo, Texas under an ICE escort.

Pacheco’s throat was slit, the Des Moines Register reported.

A friend described the murder as being at the “wrong place at the wrong time,” in a northwestern state of Mexico that is plagued by deadly violence and drug cartels.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/391275-iowa-student-killed-after-being-deported-to-mexico
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Iowa student killed after being deported to Mexico (Original Post) workinclasszero Jun 2018 OP
Horrible. Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #1
It makes me sick workinclasszero Jun 2018 #3
His blood is on Trump's hands. I hate this bastard so much!! secondwind Jun 2018 #2
I had to dig through 3 articles to figure out why he was deported Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #4
Yeah cause kids never do stupid things when they are young right? workinclasszero Jun 2018 #5
The DUI was the big deal Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #6
Like I said teenagers never do stupid things workinclasszero Jun 2018 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #26
DUI first time offense is not recorded. People get diversion Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #10
What state is this in? Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #12
Oregon. nt Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #17
I just checked- what you posted isn't true in Iowa Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #15
It's not a crime until you get a 2nd. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #18
That's just plain not true Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #19
It is true. It's an infraction but not a crime for the 1st one assuming diversion is complete Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #20
This guy was in Iowa. Oregon statues are totally irrelevant to his case Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #21
oh ok, Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #22
It happens a lot jberryhill Jun 2018 #27
Really? Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #28
Now there's a better slogan jberryhill Jun 2018 #29
... Tipperary Jun 2018 #31
Dude... Tipperary Jun 2018 #32
Doing exceptionally stupid things tends to end like this fella's story did. n/t Decoy of Fenris Jun 2018 #9
Exactly Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #16
I'm not surprised at all you minimize and ignore his death while focusing on only his failings. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #23
His death was tragic. But his choices led to to that chain of events Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #24
I'm just glad he managed to not kill anyone christx30 Jun 2018 #30
I think you've missed the point. He came to the U.S. at 3 years old ecstatic Jun 2018 #11
Had his family brought him here on a green card it still wouldnhave happened Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #14
dropping these folks in countries they have absolutely no recollection of, many without contacts bigtree Jun 2018 #33
oh my god bdamomma Jun 2018 #7
Fucking Trump. Vinca Jun 2018 #13
Kick ck4829 Jun 2018 #25
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
3. It makes me sick
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 08:07 AM
Jun 2018

what these so-called "pro-life" republicans are doing to this country.

We tried to warn the people in this country what would happen if the republicans took over but Hillary's emails, you know?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
4. I had to dig through 3 articles to figure out why he was deported
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 08:27 AM
Jun 2018

His DACA status was revoked for violating the terms due to a traffic conviction and a misdemeanor drug conviction. He was on immigration parole awaiting a hearing where his DACA status likely would have been reinstated if he showed he was complying with the courts sentencing and was still in school, etc. it was a close call but he almost certainly would have had his DACA status restored with maybe some additional restrictions placed on him by the immigration court.

However while awaiting the hearing where his DACA status would have been reinstated had he kept his record clean past what he already had he was arrested again- for DUI and obtained several other misdemeanor charges as well.

That DUI arrest pretty much sealed the case that he wasn’t going to get his DACA status renewed. In fact had he even been here on a geeen card a DUI would be grounds for revocation of legal status, the immigration courts don’t take kindly to things like that. They will revoke H-1B visas and all other kinds for DUI arrests also. A drug conviction, multiple misdemeanors and a DUI all in a years time would cause a green card holders status to be in serious jeopardy as well, so it wasn’t just because he was a DACA recipient, under any immigration status short of citizenship he would have been facing possible or likely deportation.

So he requested to be voluntarily deported before the hearing, because that would give him a better chance of later getting a visa to return.

It sucks that he got killed in Mexico. But I can’t say his return was not mostly his fault. He was handed a great opportunity in the form of the DACA program by President Obama. He knew the rules and almost blew it with his drug convictions. Wether you disagree with drug laws or not, if you know that Poseidon will risk your DACA status just don’t do it. Then when it was at risk waiting for the court to hopefully let him stay he blew it entirely by getting a DUI. And there is no sympathy from me for anybody DUI, everybody knows better and there is no excuse for it.

The lesson here- if you are fortunate enough to get into the DACA program don’t go do a bunch of stupid shot and blow it.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
5. Yeah cause kids never do stupid things when they are young right?
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 08:32 AM
Jun 2018

Smoke some pot, get a death sentence, you bet.

Happens to white kids in the suburbs all the time right?

Oh wait...

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
6. The DUI was the big deal
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:05 AM
Jun 2018

Had it just stayed at the misdemeanor charges he likely would have had his DACA status renewed by the court at the hearing.

But DUI is a big deal.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
8. Like I said teenagers never do stupid things
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:13 AM
Jun 2018

He is dead now with his throat cut ear to ear, be happy, I guess.

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #8)

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
12. What state is this in?
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:18 AM
Jun 2018

Definitely not the case in most states.


And for immigration purposes the standards are different.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
15. I just checked- what you posted isn't true in Iowa
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:31 AM
Jun 2018

First time DUI is an offense that carries a minimum 2 days in jail, and is definitely an offense that goes on your record.

It is possible there to plea to a charge called “wet reckless”. However immigration courts don’t care what the resulting charge for a plea deal is, they care about what the actual conduct that lead to the arrest was.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
20. It is true. It's an infraction but not a crime for the 1st one assuming diversion is complete
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:00 PM
Jun 2018
https://dui.findlaw.com/dui-cases/dui-diversion-programs-what-they-are-and-how-they-work.html


Oregon - Offered statewide (uniform among the counties); may not have a prior DUI in the past 15 years; court decides who is accepted into the program; must plead guilty or no contest; court will dismiss the case after successful completion of the program and a one-year probationary period, during which time an ignition interlock device (IID) must be installed.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. It happens a lot
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:01 AM
Jun 2018

The Oregon Visitors and Convention Bureau is doing pretty good with their new slogan: "Experience the Other Iowa".
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
16. Exactly
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jun 2018

He was handed a chance by President Obama and shit all over the opportunity he was given by a series of stupid decisions.

DUI is stupid enough.

DUI when you know that an arrest for DUI will result in your loss of any chance to stay in the country legally and get you sent back to a dangerous country where you don’t have any real ties= 1000x more stupid.

He made his choices. He was given a great opportunity and squandered it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. I'm not surprised at all you minimize and ignore his death while focusing on only his failings.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:08 PM
Jun 2018

"He was given a great opportunity and squandered it..."

I'm not surprised at all you minimize and ignore his death while focusing on only his failings.

You'll of course rationalize otherwise. But in this case, it is what it is, regardless of how it's painted otherwise.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
24. His death was tragic. But his choices led to to that chain of events
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jun 2018

Let’s be real.

The United States is not to blame for what happened to him in Mexico. What happened there, whatever it was, was a mix of his choices, the people around him, and the failure of the Mexican Government to provide a secure environment for its citizens.

While crime is bad in Mexico, most deported individuals don’t end up murdered.

His deportation was a result of him violating the terms of his legal status on multiple occasions. It’s entirely his fault. He knew the rules, he made the decisions on multiple occasions to violate them.

The people claiming somehow the US is responsible for his unfortunate death are off base here. He chose to commit multiple crimes on multiple occasions while in an immigration status he was well aware would be revoked if he did so, and did it anyway. He is responsible for his deportation.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
30. I'm just glad he managed to not kill anyone
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:24 AM
Jun 2018

while driving under the influence. If he had stayed in the US, and kept committing DUI, it was just a matter of time before someone died at the result of his poor choices. The judge probably saved a life here.
I think very poorly of anyone that does it. I had a friend killed by a drunk driver about 10 years ago. Sweetest person I've ever met, snuffed out because of some idiot. I wish he had died instead of her. But he walked away without a scratch.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
11. I think you've missed the point. He came to the U.S. at 3 years old
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:43 AM
Jun 2018

and should not have been deported to a place he didn't know. PERIOD!

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
14. Had his family brought him here on a green card it still wouldnhave happened
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:24 AM
Jun 2018

That’s how immigration standards are- if your in the country on a Visa or guest status of any sort the standards of conduct that you are held to are strict.

And if you are here in that status you know that.

If you want to have the laws changed so people here on Visas or DACA or other immigrant status’s don’t have their criminal bahavior considered when receiving or maintaining that status then that’s a discussion to have. But the law now is what it is, and he knew it.

And that standard was put in place for DACA recipients by the Obama Administration. Had he done the same then while we still had a real President he still would have lost his legal status.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
33. dropping these folks in countries they have absolutely no recollection of, many without contacts
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:47 AM
Jun 2018

..jobs, homes.

It's incredibly cruel and inhumane. The punishment does not fit the crime. It's simply heartless to conclude that, "he should have known." But, hey, you go with that.

On a Democratic discussion board, you go with that.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
7. oh my god
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 09:07 AM
Jun 2018

the news on DU today is horrendous. This is horrible 19 years old and murdered.

read above article very sad posted by DU'er Lee Lee

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