PUTIN! PUTIN! PUTIN! Why does the press not see that all things are being orchestrated by PUTIN!

[Liberal In Red State]

dRump starts an argument with NKorea insulting Kim as little rocket man and we are suppose to believe that kind of diplomacy got him to come to the table? Then Kim stops the talks and dRump starts getting bad press at home and all of a sudden talks back on!?!?!? dRump starts to pick fights with Germany France Britain Canada Mexico long standing allies . . . and now he wants Russia back in the G7? WAKE THE F#*K UP AMERICA! This is PUTIN’s world and we are just playing in his sand box!?!

[procon]

1. Probably because speculation and conjecture isn't the same thing as

verifiable proof. Rumors and conspiracy theories are the meat and potatoes of Fox New, but let's keep it there rather than join them in creating fake news rather than insisting on good journalism.

[Liberal In Red State]

4. Pure speculation? Really? With tweets meant to aggravate allies and headlines like this . . .

DONALD TRUMP IS DOING PUTIN'S WORK IN RUINING U.S. ALLIANCES, SAYS EX-ENVOY TO MOSCOW

I hardly think we are in the domain of Fox News.

[procon]

5. Not "we", you.

In your OP you claim that Putin is some great, Svengali mastermind, orchestrating all things, but some second or third hand opinion or commentary is not the same as a fact. Provide the evidence to support your claim instead of trying to shout down a criticism of your conjecture. Don't spread conspiracy theories when there are other plausible reasons that are more easily perceived as the core Trump's madness because they at least have some grounding in provable explanations.

[Liberal In Red State]

6. Got it. Thought general discussion was a place to express thoughts, ideas about the news.

Seems I see everyday comments on how “Mueller getting closer” etc with no basis of facts being recited. My mistake. Will not do so again.

[procon]

10. Why would you think the discussion was limited only to your POV?

No, don't plea to victimhood if your theory doesn't hold up. In trying to make an additional false allegation against Mueller, asserting there is no "basis of facts", you seem unaware of current events.

The Mueller investigation is proceeding apace, by example, Manafort just got hit with a new indictment in addition to the charges of witness tampering that came a few days ago. Just this week, Trump's "Spygate" theory has been shot down by multiple sources. Mueller will get the majority of records seized from Trump’s personal lawyer. Mueller ordered witnesses in the Russia investigation to hand over their personal phones to avoid a subpoena.

[Liberal In Red State]

11. Not pleaing to anything. I made a statement of how I have viewed events. That was it. I see

statements made everyday in this form that merely express a viewpoint and do not itemize the reasons for their opinions. I expressed an opinion . . . I have seen 7 articles today alone and one op-ed on TPM all expressing essentially the same viewpoint . . . that Putin has been orchestrating events. Others responding to this thread merely stated what they thought . . . without providing a checklist for their statements. Just wanted to start the discussion. Didn’t realize all general decisions had to be source written to get a topic discussed. Again apologies will not happen again.

[ecstatic]

2. Its stunning and frustrating AF. Treason and collusion in plain sight

I guess the only smoking gun they'd accept is Putin strolling out from the White House at 7am, after a series of selfie pics uploaded to dump's Twitter.

But even then, they'd default back to accepting dump's lie and acting shocked when a leaker told the real (obvious) story.

Rinse and repeat.

[triron]

8. About right.

[malaise]

3. Sorry - they are being orchestrated by your lunatic President because he wants

the Russian money

[triron]

7. They don't want to; pure and simple.

Our 'democracy' has been hijacked by Putin and some other players.

[spanone]

9. the media makes moola off of the horse race