The most important polling numbers to look at are...

[louis c]

...the strongly approve vs. the strongly disapprove numbers for Donald Trump.

That' s the real Trump base ranges from about a quarter to a third of the electorate.

Surprisingly, the anti-Trump "strongly disapprove" numbers remain a very high 40% to 41% (latest Rasmussen, Fox, Survey Monkey and You Gov.). Those people will vote rain or shine, cold or warm, through thick and thin against Trump or anyone who supports him. His strong support ranges more dramatically according to polls perceived biases. You Gov. has Trump at 23% strongly approve to the high of 33% who strongly approve from the phony Rasmussen Poll.

Let's use the right leaning Fox News Poll as an example, certainly no anti-Trump bias here. Their strongly approve is 27% and the strongly disapprove is 41%. Those numbers are dramatic, as the "soft" for and against voters are persuadable. The anti-Trump, can never get under any circumstances is 41%, yet the hard core base seems to be 27%.

Those numbers are the ones to watch, not the overall approval, which may fluctuate, but not be very important until the week of the actual election in either 2018 or 2020.

41% of the registered voters in this country will not vote for Trump or miss the election. Only 27% can be counted on by the other side.

Link to 538 and all latest polls referenced here:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

1. Please stop

with the daily what ifs. If the votes aren't counted right, we can speculate to infinity, and none of it means shit except heart ache. When we get one man one vote and it's counted right. We win...every time. Reports like this everyday are pablum for the masses to not get the voting boxes secured.
Any stories on revamping or securing computer voting boxes? How's about one or two of those a day. Voter rolls secure? Maybe a story or two on that? It's all speculation with the types of polls you present, and frankly, it's sominex. Respectfully.

[louis c]

3. Until then, what should we do?

Give up?

Boy, I'm always skeptical of low post, non-donating newbies telling long time DUers what to do.

Your opinion suppresses our votes and dooms us to defeat.

Respectfully.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. Brother/sister..

I don't know. Maybe stories on what I pointed out. The polls have reamed us so many times. Seems like they're used to stop us from action. Being old, I have seen this story before...and before...and before...and we have dt.

[louis c]

6. Those stories surpress the vote.

If people think their votes don't matter, they stay home.

Those stories are planted by the other side. There is real voter suppression in registration and gerrymandering. We link articles to that real voter suppression all the time (although I defer to other long time, well informed DUers to take the lead on those issues). Paper ballot back up to electronic voting machines are an issue brought up by other, long time DUers, dating back to the 2004 Kerry election and Ohio.

If you had been here at DU longer than 2 months, you'd know these facts. However, for a 2 mother to tell me what and when to post, I find quite insulting.

And you can save your condescending "respectfully".

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

8. Ok.

been at DU longer than 2 months. Just registered. Been alive a longggg time and FOOT SOLDIER in many elections. You? Knocking on doors...etc. The poll stories are a particular pain in the ass because they all are created by someone...with an angle. And they tend to be just reading material. Get a yard sign...better yet...distribute yard signs. I know it's hard to get off the computer though. You are entitled to your opinion, and myself, mine. Im a Democrat, and I belong here regardless.


What's your angle on finger on the scale of the vote count? What good do daily polls do us if they cheat? The poll stories are deceptive in themselves often bc people don't know the origin of the politics of the origin of the "poll report."

[louis c]

9. Please

If I went through my political, union and community service it would make you cry. I go back to knocking on doors in New Hampshire for Eugene McCarthy in 1968 and I haven't stopped for 50 years.

Your opinions, even if well intention, encourage people to not get involved in elections, since they're all fixed (according to you).

Those are very dangerous opinions on this web site and contribute to the voter suppression that helps the other side.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

11. Good to hear.

Cry? I'd be cheering bc there's not enough foot soldiers who actually leave their computer. If true, you should value the angle and the things i've said.
Lets start the weekend being nasty to each other...that helps. Feel better DU old timer?. See you at the polls.

[louis c]

15. I do not support surpressing our vote...

...and will challenge anyone who does.

My paid job actually includes my participation here, since I do politics all the time now, in behalf of a labor union.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

10. EXAMPLE

"Polls show Hillary to be elected by landslide." Followed by cheating. Now dt and the end of our country. It's not just a premise...it's a reality. I'm not sure what we do, but, doing the same thing without any deviation seems to be setting us up for dt 2020. I made a comment..on something you posted. If the "old time' Du'ers are the only ones who get to comment...good bad or indifferent...maybe better put it in the rules etc. Your condescension is noted. The block button is an answer as well I suppose. I wasn't aware I wasn't allowed...but...NOW I DO. Thanks for straightening me out Louie.

[louis c]

12. You are allowed to do anything you like...

...but expect to be challenged.

And your years here and monetary contributions add to your credibility.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

14. You too.

It's an open platform it seems...but wth...I'm only 2 months old eh? TTYL Louie.

[louis c]

16. That's right

Your opinion here needs to be weighed, in my humble opinion, and if it appears you are helping the other side by trying to discourage voting, you will be challenged.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

17. THATS BULLSHIT LOUIE

And a sad attempt to run people out of DU w some lame Anti voting horse-crap accusation. You posted, I commented from my point of view. What you just said is a hatchet job and I hope folks are watching bc I will be in the future to see how you react to others who dare have another view. The 'post counts' don't mean people are saints and it's one reason why after years of reading this stuff that I registered and comment now. That was uncalled for dude. Walk away, we're fighting about a simple angle about polls. An angle I've heard on the news since Vietnam. Really disappointing thats the tact on something you said Louie.

[louis c]

18. Convincing people that elections are fixed

depresses our vote, especially if you are arguing that it's fixed for the other side.

That's a fact and far from bullshit.

Trump and his allies do enough at suppressing our votes by changing laws and making it harder to register without aiding their cause with some sort of conspiracy theory.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

19. I'm sorry man

I can't even read your post. I'm on to positive things. Keep up what you SAY your'e doing in real life, I will too, and hope for better outcomes. At this point it feels like your'e baiting me.

[louis c]

20. You don't need baiting...

...you have the negative position.

part of my real job, in real life, is registering voters and convincing them to vote in their, and the union's best interest. I have posted a link to that speech here.

Link;
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210603786

I confront those in the audience who make your point, that our votes don't matter and elections are fixed. That attitude only discourages registration and voting. I combat that attitude by saying that we would never have elected Obama if that was the case. Voter suppression is done in broad daylight and that attitude that the individual is espousing plays into our opponents' hands.

You sound like one of those people in my meetings.

[Demsrule86]

7. That is what we do...speculate...it is called discussion. And I for one had reached the same

conclusion...the House is looking good and maybe the Senate...bit dicier that.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

13. That seems to be

what we're doing. AND chewing. (Wasn't 'The Chew" not re-signed for another year?)

[Demsrule86]

21. Don't know never watched it...are you insinuating that we will be 'cancelled' ?

I doubt it.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

22. Youre seemingly reaching and spoiling for a fight.

the joke was in chewing on each other...a morning show. I haven't watched it either.
In typing that the second piece of information struck me. I wasn't suggesting anything. My original post was in exasperation of yet another daily poll w commentary (it seemed.) It was one post in close to 1000 I've made, and Im pretty sure if you go back and LOOK at the actual posts, the answer to all the above may be clearer regarding a persons political loyalties. I dunno. I don't know how to clear your confusion anymore than that. I do remind everyone that as Liberal Democrats...we are mindful that EVERYONE is human. One post does not a person make. Picking a fight w a participant seems like the feeling is...be perfect...or get out, on a post someone just sent worldwide on the internet. And the implications of that are just as chilling as this fool family on tv, bc it's where we come for political support. I'm just a person...and this conversation seems like it's becoming a personal thing.
I've moved on from the above conversation that stirred this, and now i'm kindly going to ignore this one. I'm not the enemy.
See signature please.

[exboyfil]

2. The sickening thing is the jump for

Bush at 9/11. You have to wonder if the powers that be are going for something like that prior to the election. They will if they think they can get away with it.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

5. so true.

Did folks jump for him, or, did the war powers get the media to say so, and then the finger on the scale of the voting booth make it a reality? As I recall MOST of the country wanted no more war.