Anybody still watching CNN?

[Backwoodsrider]

I tried watching the 11 am slot this morning and was surprised to see Jeffery Toobin still on. He carries water for the Trump that's been obvious from 1st day of Trump campaign. I think Toobin has been trying to get positive strokes from Trump is why each time he times he shares on CNN I see him building up Trump then digs on Trump a little in middle of talk but then he ALWAYS discounts what he had just said leaving Trump in a good light. That's no legal analyst that's a shill.

Another service Toobin was providing for many of us progressive viewers these last couple years has been as a kicking dog, that has not changed.

Toobin is no legal analyst and I cannot understand why CNN still has him as a daily guest. He shows the signs he has caught the Trump bug. Maybe he knows something we don't know are they getting on the side of the Don knowing Don is not going to step down regardless of election results?

Either way CNN every time you carry water for Trump you folks are rolling in his shit. Smell it you helped create it.

[hlthe2b]

1. Rarely watch, but this Toobin v Dershowitz exchange was pretty dramatic...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/03/22/jeffrey_toobin_vs_dershowitz_why_have_you_been_carrying_water_for_trump_this_is_not_who_you_used_to_be.html

[empedocles]

6. bit of light on the right

Surprised no one here, on cable news all morning, has mentioned arrest of former cong intelligence staffer for leaking

[janx]

17. Holee cow. n/t

[Sherman A1]

2. I disagree

I have listened to Toobin and frankly don't find that he "carries water for Trump". I do try to avoid CNN anymore as I do most cable news shows as I have tired of the breathless 24/7 breaking news blather yelling at me about what they believe to be their great analysis of the rehash of something I read online hours ago, spaced in between stacks of commercials for medications that I never knew I needed.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

5. Well said.

I'd die to see a toy commercial. Even one for those game systems kids use. All medications...all the time, and if you don't have insurance...none of it applies anyway.

[janx]

19. Yes, the cable news shows are watched by older people.

All of the commercials are geared toward them. I hate advertising and cut the cable years ago.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

3. Boy

I wish they'd do stories on something other than him. Especially the weekends if he's not going to be indicted. There's 340 million of us and he's a crook. Toobin? He seems to be better than before the election, but, I agree w you on toting H2O. Trying to pay his bills like the rest of us figures in I'm sure. I dunno.

[madaboutharry]

4. 20 minutes ago Toobin was slamming Trump

Toobin was attacking Trump for setting everything up so he can pick fights with black people. How is that carrying water?

[Backwoodsrider]

9. "yes and you dont need to be convicted to receive a pardon" Toobin said this morning

really?

than he went on to tell the Trump crew they don't need to flip

Toobin is driving a semi truck full of Don water

[madaboutharry]

11. That comment was in response to Trump

not understanding how pardons work. It is correct that you can be pardoned before you are convicted, or even charged. Ford pardoned Nixon before he was charged with anything.

[gratuitous]

14. That's true; Nixon wasn't convicted, and Ford gave him a blanket pardon

As abusive as he is with the power of his office, it's pretty plain that anyone on the Trump crew has a reasonable expectation of being pardoned. All the more reason to expect a pardon if they have damaging information that can be used against Trump. I don't think that's anything more than a clear-eyed assessment of the out-of-control nature of the Trump administration. Trump will do anything and say anything, regardless of custom, precedent, or the law. Saying that out loud is a recognition of the situation.

[DrDan]

16. he is correct - Carter issued pardons for Viet Nam draft evaders even

though many were not charged or convicted.

Ford pardoned Nixon who was not charged.

[tblue37]

28. Nixon was pardoned without being indicted or convicted, so that point is a simple fact. nt

[drray23]

31. he is a legal analyst. its his job to comment on legal issues.

He was pointing out rightfully that somebody does not have to be convicted to get a pardon.

Its hardly tipping off Trump and his crew.

Besides Giuliani who is not making sense at all, they do have real lawyers (like emmett Floyd ) who obviously know that.

What Trump says does not reflect reality as we all know. He does not have a clue and came up with this answer on the spot when asked about pardons for Manafort and Flynn.

[kentuck]

10. I watch CNN...

I have not seen him carry water for Trump??

[Awsi Dooger]

12. Every day, and the opinion of CNN around here is pure wacko

Fantastic network that defines Trump in devastating methodical accurate fashion every day. That's why right wingers hate and fear the network while they basically don't give a damn about MSNBC. Jeffrey Toobin denounces Trump and everything he stands for time and again. Yet around here it's like the world in reverse.

MSNBC has a few good hosts but CNN towers above in stature and content.

[OliverQ]

27. You are quite mistaken.

CNN is quite easy on Trump most of the time, especially during the day. All they care about is ratings. The nonsense prime-time crap full of nothing but Trump sycophants arguing with other panel members is unwatchable. The fact that they still pay Santorum, Jason Miller, David Urban, Paris Denhard, etc. for the Trump cult trash they spew makes CNN unwatchable a lot of the time.

MSNBC is superior.

[mcar]

13. I disagree

I watch CNN most days from 5-7. Toobin is frequently on. He most certainly does not carry water for the maladministration.

[DrDan]

15. I still watch CNN daily - and I like Toobin

"no legal analyst"?

He is a Harvard-educated lawyer. I do not get the sense he is a trump-fan.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Toobin is anti-Trump

And he's more than qualified to discuss legal matters , especially federal investigations, as he is a Harvard educated lawyer who was the youngest member on Lawrence Walsh's Iran-Contra staff.

[Backwoodsrider]

23. wow he has sure turned then

Maybe Toobin was a great attorney when he was Iran Contra but he has sure switched sides since then. Sure my perspective is off the cuff and the letters after my name have not been recertified in a few years but I am confident of my clinical perspective of Mr Toobin.

Sure he has official letters after his name and went to one of the rightest of rightwing ideology pushing schools Harvard, that's 2 strikes by the way, now he has be bought out those in power. Toobin knows who is buttering his bread and it sure aint Pelosi or Schumer and any on the left. The past means little in this case I watch Toobins presentation on CNN NOW. What does Toobin say and how does he say I?. I will repeat his speal again; Toobin usually presents by opening with a proleft sounding statement then spends rest of talk shooting down the left giving his SUBJECTIVE perspective with attitude that cuts on the left. Then usually Toobin closes by little jabs that promote the Trumpian right and discount any lefts ideas with the subjective Toobin perspective.

We are at a time of big change right now. I am trying to remove my old judgements and stereotypes and look at life with a fresh awareness. I have been hard on Toobin for a reason please suspend your old conclusions for just a second the next time you see Toobin and other secretly right promoting soul sellers and look at what they are REALLY saying.

thanks for your time DemocratSinceBirth

[drray23]

26. glad to hear you dont like people who are educated in top universities.

Maybe this makes me a bad person. I went to Stanford university . Is that on your list of schools who produce "elitists" and therefore right-wingers ?

I thought, this attitude was only found amongst republicans. Apparently, I was wrong.

[Backwoodsrider]

30. What?

Not sure where you got I was anti education, you project much?

I did mentioned how Harvard promotes the thinking of those in power...….. ready...….that's the thinking of the REPUBLICANS.

I am not very fond of the other Ivy league schools either but I do love western Universities and colleges like the one I got my degree from

As far as Stanford that's a little Ritzy for Pac 12 schools but they are alright I got no problem with that school wish I could of afforded to go there.

[Orsino]

20. No, except the occasional clip from elsewhere documenting CNN fuck-ups. n/t

[Hortensis]

21. So much of the MSM and talking heads are serving the right

that I'm really starting to wonder how much of it is the "normal" effects of executive ideology and how much either secret sell-out to/conspiring with the ultrawealthy and/or compromised talkers by Russia.

I'm not thinking frivolously here.

When you think of it, why would Russia's attempt to subvert and corrupt other nations NOT include subverting its press and the "experts" who appear on almost every show?

Why would ultraconservative billionaires bent on restructuring our nation NOT enlist heads of networks and other major media? And talking heads who crave more exposure?

People like Toobin and Dershowitz are taking strange, questionable positions that shock people who knew them before.

How about Jeff Zucker of CNN, who created Trump as a national figure and devoted CNN to the service of Trump's campaign in much the way Fox now serves Trump's presidency?

The NYT and AP both punctuated months of negative coverage of Democratic candidates with subversive lies launched as journalistic bombs, much the same as the director and assistant director of the FBI abused their power.

[HAB911]

22. Wow, I don't see that at all

[ksoze]

25. You have him mixed up with someone else - he hates Trump

[tblue37]

29. Toobin is the former student of Dershowitz who slammed him for carrying Trump's water, so I can't

imagine Toobin carrying water for Trump. I don't watch TV news, so I only know about his comments from reading about them, though.

[Backwoodsrider]

32. look at who Toobin studied under fruit does not fall far from the tree

Toobin said, “I actually think the president has been more effective than we’re giving him credit for here. If you look at the polls, for better or worse, Republicans now have a much more negative view of Robert Mueller than they did when he was appointed. You know, the president has succeeded in politicizing this investigation, and that means that Mueller is seen, at least by more people than previously, as someone who is sort of part of the political maelstrom in which we live instead of an independent actor. This will serve as an opportunity to attack him if he takes even more direct action against the president. I’m not saying the president was right to do that. But I think we need to acknowledge that there has been a change of perception, at least by the Republican base.”

He added, “The fact that there are people in the Justice Department who have previously expressed political views is nothing new. It’s not disqualifying. But it’s being used here by the president and his allies to create the impression that there is something wrong with this investigation, and that’s false, but a lot of people believe it.”

See in this statement he doesn't even throw a positive left point out but starts building up Trump in first sentence and continues on to this fabulous closing "something wrong with this investigation, and that’s false, but a lot of people believe it.”

[NanceGreggs]

34. Everything you've quoted here ...

... is factually correct. Trump and his enablers have been very effective in politicizing Mueller's investigation, and the numbers show that.

Pointing out facts is not "carrying water". Toobin has been extremely clear about his contempt for Trump from day one.

I'm beginning to think that the problem is not with CNN - it's your own lack of comprehension of what is being discussed.

[Squinch]

33. Yep. I watch CNN a lot. I guess I'm not one of the cool kids.

[NanceGreggs]

35. Not for nuthin' ...

... but you must be watching a different CNN and hearing a different Jeffrey Toobin than the rest of us.

Seriously, dude - you're not making any sense at all.

[Backwoodsrider]

36. Sorry you I am not able to better communicate to you what I see NanceGreggs I will try to do better.

I am far from perfect but I been studying the manipulation of MSM since late '80s. I have finally reached that age where I don't give an f what people may think of me or my behavior, I got to speak the truth.

DU is a great source of the latest news though I miss Skinner and a few others. Its our role today to speak our truth and let fate happen.and let some truth seep in. Toobin is NOT on the side of progressives and unfortunately neither are some who work under CNN. Toobin knows who is in power right now and he either willingly or subconsciously seeks to promote their agenda.

[NanceGreggs]

37. I watch CNN very night ...

... and what Toobin says regularly is completely the opposite of what you claim to be hearing.

He has never "promoted an agenda" that could be construed as even remotely supportive of Trump. He despises him, and has often been downright brutal in expressing his opinion of him.

As I've said, you don't seem to understand his remarks. Saying that Toobin carries water for Trump is like saying Sean Hannity carries water for the Democrats.

[Iggo]

38. I don't watch any 24-hour news channel.

When I did, it made me stupid.

[Backwoodsrider]

40. I tried but the current events draw is too strong

so I nit pick

[Backwoodsrider]

39. I submit this as further evidence

I picture Toobin saying this from a piece in the Daily Caller with the snide 'I told you so attitude' he seems to enjoy tossing out there especially when another of the CNN guests sides too much with a left point.

The Daily Caller:

CNN chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said there is a “general consensus” President Donald Trump will not be indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller while he’s still in office, on “New Day” Thursday.

“This is one of the gray unanswered questions of constitutional law. The Supreme Court has never addressed this question. No prosecutor has tried to indict a president,” Toobin said. “There is Justice Department guidance going back to the 1970’s that says a president cannot be indicted. That seems to be the general consensus view. But we don’t know that for sure.”

[Hekate]

41. What the hell is "a kicking dog"? And just to be clear, is CNN "fake news"?

[Backwoodsrider]

42. 'kicking dog' might be local lingo

And no I don't think CNN is fake news. I watch a lot of news both on cable tv and the internet and CNN is one of them. In the evening I usually catch Lemon after Rachel then final it out with Brian.