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H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 11:28 AM Jun 2018

Showdown

“Remember, the best defense is a hellova offense, and catching your opponent coming into your strength always results in that man being hurt.”
Rubin “Hurricane” Carter; Thursday, September 27, 1973; 3:35 pm


There is a showdown coming in America. The “main event” features Robert Mueller versus Donald Trump, of course, in a battle that represents a much larger conflict raging within our country. As the tension builds, we see Trump engaging in an increasingly out of control attack on Mr. Mueller, which reminds me of the above line from one of Rubin's letters advising me on boxing strategy 45 years ago.

The majority of the crowd gathered for the fight favor Mr. Mueller. They see Trump as more than just an obnoxious blowhard: they recognize him as a toxic threat to our constitutional democracy. They see a cheap, dirty fighter – willing to break any rule – who is as controlled by the mob as in boxer was in history. Only this time, it's the Russian mafia calling the shots.

They have seen that many “officials” – with the republicans in the House and Senate serving in roles similar to a boxing commission and referee – are unwilling to enforce the rules. Instead, they reward him for his flagrant fouls. In this case, though, it has to do with the Rule of Law, and their failure to address Trump for his openly corrupt behaviors.

Thus, unless Trump's corner throws in the towel, saying their guy has had enough, and has lost this fight by TKO, the majority of Americans have to hope that the judges – in this instance, federal court judges – render a just decision in favor of Mr. Mueller.

There is also, of course, a minority of Trump fans watching the bout. They view Trump as a hero, and their champion. They would prefer that the fight be called off before it actually starts, and Trump be declared the winner. Being unfamiliar with the rules, they support any dirty tactic Trump resorts to, and every crime he commits. They threaten the commissioner and referee for even considering enforcing the Rule of Law, in terms of their next primary. Republicans court and fear these unstable “fans.”

Despite the fact that the outcome of the fight will likely go to the scorecards of the judges – most of whom were appointed by the republican commission – the Trump fans are not going to accept it, if their decision goes against Trump. In their minds, the federal courts will be viewed as part of the “deep state.” It's a plot, don't you know.

Trump's fans do not allow “facts” to interfere with their perceptions. And it is a fact that Trump has not been wildly successful in the court system, be it with his “university” or his Muslim travel ban. He will face far more significant and humiliating defeats when the judges announce their decisions in the Trump vs Team Mueller competition.

Now, I'm familiar with more than boxing. In the past decade, for example, I've witnessed a stark increase in “fans” acting out – sometimes violently – at a variety of school sports competitions. The two things that have led to the majority of violent outbreaks have been when one of their players gets called for a foul, or when a non-white athlete on the opposing team scores points. These have resulted in fights in the stands, and in parking lots. There have been men and women taken away in handcuffs. There was even what law enforcement has called a riot, in a small town where local police had to call for back-up from county and state police.

Not all republicans will be upset when Trump loses his attempts to avoid speaking with Team Mueller. It appears likely that he'll continue to avoid doing so, and will thus get an invitation from the grand jury. His legal team will try fighting that, and lose. It's possible Trump will still refuse. But, either way, he won't survive long. And, at that point, fewer republicans will support him.

Those who will still support him are largely of the same stock as those who start fights at high school sports or boxing matches. Their actions are rooted in emotions, as opposed to the intelligence required to engage in rational thought. In the deep recesses of their minds, they will view the Rule of Law as a threat to the Constitution and Old Glory. This is largely due to their never reading more than the Second Amendment, and mistaking a piece of cloth for the concepts it symbolizes. In Freudian terms, they are the American Id.

Expecting these sad people to behave beyond impulse would be like expecting your dog to meow, or your cat to bark, or Trump to be honest. It's not in their nature. Yet they remain a minority. There are more of us, than there are of them. Some are at the Ego level, and others represent the Super Ego. Thus, it's a matter of combining those two forces, and not just come November. We need to be more than silent spectators of this fight. And that requires the best efforts of every individual.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Showdown (Original Post) H2O Man Jun 2018 OP
Sigh Me. Jun 2018 #1
Hello, Me! H2O Man Jun 2018 #6
Hello To You Sir! Me. Jun 2018 #8
Beautifully done malaise Jun 2018 #2
Thank you. H2O Man Jun 2018 #7
You're right about Don King and Don the Con malaise Jun 2018 #9
Thank You!!!! spanone Jun 2018 #3
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2018 #11
as usual, good post and thanks yonder Jun 2018 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2018 #12
Fantastic post... dhill926 Jun 2018 #5
Thanks, dhill926! H2O Man Jun 2018 #13
The reason Deplorables don't change lunatica Jun 2018 #10
Right. H2O Man Jun 2018 #14
I know you are right coeur_de_lion Jun 2018 #17
Okay. H2O Man Jun 2018 #20
We All Have Reptiles Somewhere Or Another Lion Me. Jun 2018 #27
I hope so! coeur_de_lion Jun 2018 #28
I feel like it's getting into the late rounds... kentuck Jun 2018 #15
I agree. H2O Man Jun 2018 #21
Too much of the big money lives on the right eleny Jun 2018 #16
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2018 #22
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #18
Thanks, Uncle Joe! H2O Man Jun 2018 #23
Mueller Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #25
kick 🇺🇸 voteearlyvoteoften Jun 2018 #19
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2018 #24
Brilliant writing skills, saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #26

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
6. Hello, Me!
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 01:27 PM
Jun 2018

Trump is moving into Mr. Mueller's range of power now. I think that he is going to be sorely surprised in the upcoming weeks.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
7. Thank you.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 01:30 PM
Jun 2018

The sport that I'm most familiar with is boxing. I think it serves as an interesting sociological model in terms of groups, and psychological model per individuals. It's curious that a coward like Trump used to promote boxing in Atlantic City, along with his twin parasite, Don King.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
9. You're right about Don King and Don the Con
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 02:23 PM
Jun 2018

They were and are only interested in exploiting boxers for profit.
On the other hand, the morons who fight at boxing events (not the boxers) are idiots who are making sport - a Caribbean phrase for imitating/ making) as if they are in the league of those who trained for years.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
10. The reason Deplorables don't change
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 02:45 PM
Jun 2018

is because their mental abilities are weaker than their emotional passions. They live immersed in the tsunamis of their emotions which simply overtake and drown the small island of their rational ability to think. One must use thought to override their roiling passions. Expecting them to change the inbalance of their mental and emotional natures so they can think their way through life is to expect the impossible. They must consciously choose to do so even to attempt it. Unfortunately strong emotional passion, especially hatred and rage is addictive and as every former addict knows choosing the cold light of reason doesn’t feed or soothe the gnawing craving.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
14. Right.
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jun 2018

They are captives of the reptilian portion of their brain. At this point in time, it would be a waste of valuable time to try to engage in a rational discussion with them. Rather, we should focus our efforts on preparations for the November elections.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
17. I know you are right
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 10:29 PM
Jun 2018

but it makes me so sad that some of my relatives are reptiles!

God. How will we ever survive this as a country? We're like a giant dysfunctional family.

Tell me H, how will we ever reconcile? Are we doomed to live out the Civil War over and over?

I have been really sad and anxious about this all week. As you know.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
20. Okay.
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:10 PM
Jun 2018

Being that you are from a large extended Irish family, we can start by saying your relatives that are right-wing aren't all reptilian. We could safely identify them as Amphibia of the Urodela order. (I have several crawling about my family tree, as well.) I hope this valuable and insightful information helps you to accept them for that which they are. It's not their fault.

We will survive by putting forth our best efforts. It really is that simple -- and exactly that frustrating, as we are all sad and weakly human. All of us.

How to reconcile is a bit more difficult. We may find that is putting the bar a bit too high. Just as in extended families, there are people we might be best avoiding in anything beyond the most surface of polite conversation -- or, perhaps avoid interacting with at all -- there are people who live in our communities that we will never like, agree with, or reconcile with. That, too, is part of the human experience. Yet, we can have the Rule of Law, which to paraphrase Martin Luther King, may not induce someone to like us, but can prevent them from inflicting damage upon us.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
27. We All Have Reptiles Somewhere Or Another Lion
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 03:56 PM
Jun 2018

what's going to happen is what is predicted, they are dying out and the new seeds are pushing through the ground

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
15. I feel like it's getting into the late rounds...
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jun 2018

And Mueller is starting to look for the knockout punch. He might win on the scorecards but it is never a sure thing. He feels like he needs a knockout. We may be closer than people think?

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
21. I agree.
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:18 PM
Jun 2018

I think that Mr. Mueller is digging in some body shots. Not all fans understand what these do. They aren't as flashy as a punch to the head. But, based upon personal experience, I can say they do greater harm, for by their very nature, a body punch inflicts temporary organ damage that often determines the outcome of a fight.

I had been under the impression that things would be further along than they appear to be. Yet I appreciate that the only reason they are not, is because Team Mueller is uncovering more information than I anticipated. These are the body shots that are landing on fellows like Manafort, and in the SDNY investigation of Cohen, etc.

Thus, I expect that things will appear to be staying on course for a bit, before the shit hits the fan(s) -- with all of it landing in the Trump section.

Strange days!

eleny

(46,166 posts)
16. Too much of the big money lives on the right
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 07:45 PM
Jun 2018

But I'm encouraged by the recent results and by the numbers who voted. So our resolve has to grow stronger as November approaches. In other words, shoot for the moon. Anything less will put us behind.

It's so nice to see a post from you. Hope you're doing much better.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
22. Thanks!
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jun 2018

The big money is indeed a significant issue. You are absolutely right about that. What I find encouraging is that, over the years, several good Democrats -- starting with Howard Dean -- showed that smaller, grass roots donations, can do battle with the corporate beast. And I've seen outstanding candidates, such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in NYS's 14th District, accessing that power.

(My doctors tell me to be patient with myself, which isn't particularly easy most of the time. But I think that both balance and memory are improving. The issues with memory are most frustrating. But I'm rather happy to be alive! My youngest daughter is always helping me out, and days like yesterday, working in our garden, I realize that I am mighty lucky.)

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
23. Thanks, Uncle Joe!
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jun 2018

I think Trump's presidency ranks as "the worst of times." I'm confident that Mr. Mueller will deliver "the best of times," by taking that shithead out.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
25. Mueller
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 03:21 PM
Jun 2018

reminds me of Ali in Manilla.

Trump keeps throwing crude but powerful political punch after political punch with his demagogic tweets and pronouncements.

Mueller; as a true professional should maintains his silence absorbing the public blows while relying on the ropes of faith and integrity to let his legal works do the talking.



(snip)

Special counsel Robert Mueller on Friday filed a new, superseding indictment against former Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort that also charged Russian citizen Konstantin Kilimnik.

(snip)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2078994



Peace to you H2O Man

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
26. Brilliant writing skills,
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 03:32 PM
Jun 2018

I hung on every word, actually thought you might be a professional journalist.

I will forward this to everyone I know, completely agree with everything you said. Bravo

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