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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow in the world do we recover from this administration???
I have no other thing to say.. I am just so aghast at where we are.. pushing off our allies.. isolating ourselves.. breaking our trade agreements..ripping the constitution to shreds .. When it is time for another administration.. Democratic, Republican, Independent.. whatever..how will they pick the pieces up now that Humpty is breaking it all too pieces..
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,489 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)Right now.. its more like the glass is empty..
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Take either the house and we can at least slow down the carnage.
Take both and we can have some control of the agenda.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)but it is still going to be such a god awful mess
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)bdamomma
(63,870 posts)will be hurt. Can he just go to the Hague???? Please
dubyadiprecession
(5,714 posts)"Operation blow it again"!
CountAllVotes
(20,875 posts)Hopefully that is!
One day at a time comes to mind, not one DIME at a time which is where this fraud is at!
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)that Trump touches turns to lead so to speak..
Exotica
(1,461 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,875 posts)He is what is known as a con man, Don the Con. !!
Exotica
(1,461 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)why he is so hell bent on destroying them is a mystery to me
Exotica
(1,461 posts)Plus he is helping Putin deconstruct the post-WWII Western/Asian alliances and re-grasp lever of control all over the former Warsaw Pact nations.
He is a bull in a nuclear china shop.
RockRaven
(14,972 posts)quite frankly, a lefty demagogue won't cut it. It isn't enough to swing the pendulum -- that won't balance things out. Trump has broken so many things, and will continue to do so, so we must have someone who will root out all of the broken things and do the hard work of repairing them, even when the results are slow in manifesting.
We need a cerebral, rational, evidence-based thinker with strong personal integrity.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)as well as majority in the House and the Presidency.
We will need to fire everyone that the Trumpazees hired... and impeach and convict every last one of their judges they placed into the court system.
and pass laws for single payer health care and to go further than the Paris agreement close all the coal mines restore to public ownership all of the land sold off by this misadministration
We can't give back the lives that were lost by aggressive policing or people killed directly or indirectly by ICE... but we can grant immediate citizenship to all of the DACA kids, no matter where they got deported to... and possibly establish a rational immigration policy with guest worker status.
However, this is a pipe dream... we aren't going to get 67 Senators... and changing the rules of the Senate (unless they do it first in an attempt to establish a theocracy) is not likely in our best interest.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)that ends up dividing us.. that we can move as one.. to try and help a new Democratic President.. even then.. yikes.. we are going to be is such deep stuff.. financially.. because once again.. the republicans are doing it on the card..
mythology
(9,527 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)Once Trump is gone, the problem doesn't go away. The tens of millions of Americans that have fallen to conservative propaganda will still be here.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)how people can fall for such a charlatan
bdamomma
(63,870 posts)and horribly they feel they are being threatened by minorities, blacks, gays, women.
Unfortunately they do not believe in diversity. oh and right wing propaganda media (Fox noise) Hopefully Hannity will get his too.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,924 posts)Some things can be fixed fairly quickly. But the most lasting damage is the Federal Judiciary and Supreme Court. He has already appointed dozens of Federal judges at various levels and he and mcturtle are prepping to jam more through this summer. Gorsuch will likely sit on the bench for another 30-40 years and he may get another 1 or 2 picks before he is gone. Yea I know, remember Garland, no nominees since this is the last year of Trumps presidency, etc, etc. Bullshit, like the GOP gives a damn. If they still control the senate and presidency, they would ram through a SCOTUS nominee 5 minutes before swearing in the next Congress, if necessary. The courts are about to take a big rightward lurch, once these appointees start ruling, and that damage won't be fixed for decades, if not longer.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)of damage he will have inflicted..
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)If US can end up in a better / more evolved place after this administration?
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)the lying that is done now is so overwhelming .. and people know they are lying but prefer the lies to the truth.. that is something that has gone to the bone in our society..
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)for this...
kentuck
(111,102 posts)Unfortunately.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)Never ever thought I would see something like this..
vlyons
(10,252 posts)When Buddha became enlightened, he didn't say that "Life is Great!" No, first thing he said was, "There is suffering." We will put this country back together bit by bit, and in the face of the obstinate resistance of the racists and corporate thieves and neo-Fascists, who will still be out there. We all must become warriors in the fight to create an enlightened society. The best thing that each of us can do is to keep calm and not get discouraged. We shall have much opportunity to practice compassion, and make a positive difference.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)I do not worry so much about myself.. I am on the ending phase of my life.. but for my son.. and his future and his family.. whew.. and what might have been.. and what is.. but you are right... getting too discouraged is not productive either..
mcar
(42,334 posts)Too bad some voters didn't need that warning.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)most people concentrate on the Supreme Court.. but it is the locals courts that do most of the court decisions..
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)This is from the POV of my union leadership, as we await the Janus decision. Janus is not Trumps fault, but its the fault of anti-labor assholes like him
I accept that I probably wont live to see it. Im middle-aged, not old just yet. I plan on staying pissed off.
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kimbutgar
(21,161 posts)Everyday I am appalled and ashamed that Twitler is president. I cant stand that our country has become a mean, racist, cruel place. And that an alternate media is telling lies everyday and no one is calling them out.
Who will trust America when we break treaties and agreements and no longer is a role model to the world. Its amazing in 2 years we have fallen this low.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)We are being destroyed by a person that has done this kind of damage to others for years, and just walked away. The banking rules that just changed shows us, the Dems are not quite against destruction of protections for the masses. I guess when money talks they all listen! Turn the telescope around and take a good look at the USA, and it is slipping fast you better look quickly!
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)and there is no turning back and nothing will ever be the same.
Hugin
(33,163 posts)Unless, our Allies see substantial changes in our system of checks and balances insuring that one individual can't come in and disrupt the system, they are unlikely to have any trust in any alliances or treaties the US may try to form in the future.
I don't see any of this changing any time soon or even anyone talking about making changes.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)is getting hotter, but still swim around waiting to boil to death.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)frogs who've had their brains removed. Normal frogs do jump out at some point.
This is one of those stupidly wrong "facts" that I wish people would forget.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)we moan and wring our hands and complain on the internet, but we are still stewing in the pot.
TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)Well, what Trump means depends on your perspective. He is a symptom of a broken and corrupt system, but... he's also a harbinger of things to come.
Because every country on the planet got the memo: America is weak. It is unserious. It is easy to manipulate. It's justice system is easy to corrupt and incompetent.
Tell me, what happens when a foreign power manages to install a President, not for money, but for war, like happened in 1954? What happens if China managed to get the US into a ground war somewhere, just to watch it defeat itself, like the Russians in Afghanistan?
If the US was a bank, it's been robbed, the robbers all got rich, and there's no meaningful consequences for their behaviour, AND the whole criminal underworld knows.
What are the chances someone else won't try?
Zero.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Because the US has Done much worse
TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)That's not even vaguely debatable.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)But it doesn't make it untrue.
And I do think Russian interference was important, but I also find it ironic that many Americans only care about what their country has done to countless others when it happens to them.
If you're known around the world for punching babies in the face, but then try and make the whole world outraged when someone punched your baby in the face, well... You're gonna get some sympathy, as will the baby, but pretending you're not a serial baby puncher complaining about baby punching is...not gonna get you very far.
It's also another example of blowback... If you think and behave like you're above the law, eventually that's gonna bite you in the ass.
procon
(15,805 posts)The double whammy of incalculable damages to both foreign and domestic matters seems like an insurmountable barrier on all fronts. How can future governments not only put a stop to the multiple catastrophes that Trump has caused, but roll them back and restore the norms that we expect from any modern and functional democracy?
From the economy, to social services, taxes, financial, environmental, energy, transportation, communication, education, etc., etc., there is nothing that Trump hasn't fucked up. It will take years to unwind it all.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)We go to FULL INVESTIGATIONS. No more of this turn the other cheek crap like we did when Bush left office. And we make sure the media repeat adnauseum "corrupt" and "republicans"
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)of congress to go along with us the people.
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)that you would be on your way to DC to sit there until they do. I'll join you.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)if we have the right leadership. From a global and national economic perspective I think the damage is going to be long term. What ally is going to trust the American people again? Our citizenry has proven to be quite ignorant.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)That represent the people, not the wealthy and corporations. They should reverse the tax cuts and add a lot more to their taxes to repair the damages they're partly responsible for.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Snackshack
(2,541 posts)...and very hard to answer.
It is going to take at the very least holding people accountable. This admin will end at some point and anew admin will be in office. If they do what President Obama did and say we need to look forward not backward we will never recover. Also another hard question is how do we over come the divide between progressive and conservatives. Trump supporters that are widely viewed as being unable to work with are still Americans and will still be Americans after all of this passes.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)Even if Trump only serves one term and the best possible Democrat is President for the next 8 years, it will not be possible to undo very much. So many regulations have been rolled back. The tax cuts to the rich and corporate welfare will be very difficult to undo. So many terrible judges are now in place. So many agencies have lost hundreds, sometimes thousands, of qualified employees, so institutional memory is gone.
I have no hope that things will get better in my lifetime. I'm nearly 70, so I only have a relatively short time left -- 30 years if I live to 100 -- but that won't be long enough. In the past year or so I've become very grateful that I will never have grandchildren, because I would not want to think about the world they and their children will have.