Just chewed out a Trumpet

[zipplewrath]

Went to a monthly lunch with retirees. I'm still working but it's nice to seem them once and a bit. Sat next to one of my lesser favorites. Trump was shown on ESPN at the bar and most didn't know about him wanting to pardon Ali. So I told them, making a joke of the whole thing. Several people laughed, even though it's the biggest collection of moderate republicans around. This guy says "God I love Trump. He's my hero". At first I just said "you need better heros". But then he started in. And I couldn't restrain myself. I kept trying to make it a joke, mostly for the others, but it was just too much. As I brought up item after item and he had no response other than "none the less I like the guy" I just got more and more pissed. Strangely, I saw alot of nodding heads around the table. I don't think most of them like him much either. The Trump lover asked me "who would have been better". The guy across from us said "anybody". So he challenges "name one". I said, "anybody else in the GOP primary, well, maybe not Cruz, but anybody else". I didn't even bother mentioning Hillary, that'da just blown everything up.

[lkinwi]

1. I'm visiting some Republican relatives tonight.

An evangelical church, along with Fox News, has had its hooks into them for a number of years. I’ve decided not to start anything, but will definitely correct any lies that I hear. I just have to try and stay calm, which will be quite difficult.

[zipplewrath]

3. Self righteous victimhood

Ya know, what actually gets me is that tone they get real fast. That "I'm better than you but you're being mean to me and I'm a victim, oh and you're so dumb" tone that they wear. Look, you like the guy, whatever. Like I said to this whack job, he needed better hero's. I stopped there. But ya'd though I said his baby was ugly or something. I generally don't go looking for these confrontations and to some extent seek to avoid them. But they get ugly so fast it isn't funny.

[lkinwi]

8. Exactly, you never know what will set them off.

[lunatica]

7. In order to stay calm and focused try doing something to remind you.

Do something physical like pinching yourself so part of your mind is aware of it even as you feel your anger coming on. Or making a fist they can’t see.

And for goodness sakes if you know what they’re going to say practice some comebacks. Practice saying some facts so you aren’t just being reactive. Go for logic and don’t be afraid to correct them with it.

If nothing else they will avoid engaging in political discourse with you in the future.

[lkinwi]

9. I will have my trusty iPad with me.

They’ve learned from past encounters to not tell me to prove it anymore. 😈

[lunatica]

10. There you go!

No one can stand up to a prepared DUer! Kick ass! Take no prisoners!

[pangaia]

12. You do NOT need to stay calm.

If you can manage it. :&gt ) get right in their face and shake them.. shake them good.

STUN them.... Nothing else will work...

[gibraltar72]

2. I think there are more on our side than we think.

Shopping this morning my wife said Hi to an old high school classmate. I didn't recognize her even though I had known her longer. My wife and I were a few steps apart so she saw my wife first. We live in a Ratpublican hellhole hard by Hillsdale College. This gal is rabid Ratpublican Free Methodist. When she recognized me she said Hi then said I love your letters to the editor. I replied I try. She then went on to say really I love every one of them. Even when I write about something local I always jab the Ratpublicans. I was shocked to hear this. My wife said she was amazed.

[zipplewrath]

5. Women of a certain age

When you get into that Christian wife place, there is a generation of women who grew up looking to their fathers/husbands for the basis of their opinions. It's not that their lock step, but they often try to incorporate them into their own. But lately I've been seeing many of them quitely starting to create more distance. Nothing to overt, but there are hints in the questions they ask me, without objecting to the response. The GOP has drifted so far right even the wives know it.

[Tipperary]

4. Did you point out that the dotard is so stupid, he did not even know Ali's conviction was overturned

in 1971?

[zipplewrath]

6. That's where it started

Someone else pointed out the whole "Canada invading the US" schtick. From there we went on to how he couldn't decide what the meeting with the Russians was about.

[gratuitous]

11. Good for you for speaking up

As much as ever nowadays, keeping quiet only boosts the bad guys. You don't have to be disagreeable (and it sounds like you weren't), just keep adding facts as long as the Trump partisan will stay engaged. If all he's got is "none the less I like the guy," it doesn't sound very persuasive to the other folks at the table.

And who can say? Maybe in a month or two, you'll go to the lunch and the Trump fan will say, "You know, I thought about what you said about Trump's record." Perhaps a better conversation will be the result. And, by not bringing up Hillary Clinton, Trumpfan might give you a listen where if you had mentioned Clinton, he would have just shut himself off.

[Tipperary]

16. Good post.

[Ilsa]

13. Please dont use "trumpet". A trumpet is a beautiful, regal instrument.

Shouldn't be associated with assholes.

[zipplewrath]

14. Different Pronunciation

I played it as a child. (Braces kinda put an end to that).

But I pronounce it trumpET. I've thought about spelling it "trumpette"

[Ilsa]

15. I like trumper and trumpette if we need to distinguish gender.

He is so gross that I am still flummoxed by how any woman can stand to vote for him.