I am afraid. I am VERY afraid.

[qwlauren35]

The hatred that is being stoked against Latinos is equivalent to how the Nazis turned people against the Jews. The facilities that Latonos are being put in are no different than concentration camps. If we as American citizens don't stand up for Latinos, we are opening the doors to a repeat of Nazi Germany. The second thing that comes to mind is that all of the people who aren't standing up for Latinos run the risk of becoming the next alienated group. Not just other minority groups, but also people who think a certain way, i.e. liberals and progressives. Yes, the "deplorables" may be in the minority, but if the number of people who are silent when they act is sizable enough, then we will see a horrible outcome.

We have to draw the line. We have to stand up for the seized immigrants. We have to recognize their humanity first and foremost, and not accept an administration that incarcerates them like animals.

There is a war going on against people of color. The war against black people is ugly and vicious. We are being incarcerated and killed. And no one is stopping it because too many people believe "they brought it on themselves". There is now a war going on against Latinos. There is a rabid assumption that Latinos are here illegally. No, most of them are NOT. Most of them are US citizens, or have a green card. But that assumption is causing unspeakable damage, because it gives people an excuse not to care. Black people deserve incarceration and death because they are criminals. Latinos deserve incarceration because they are here illegally. And don't forget Muslims. Muslims deserve to be turned away from our countries because they are ALL terrorists.

Who will be next? I promise you, it will be a subset of white people who hold "subversive" views.

Liberals and progressives, you are not safe. You are next.

[guillaumeb]

1. And this is how it started in Germany.

Recommended.

[Trek4Truth]

2. What the US Gov't is doing to these children is literally keeping me up at night. nt

[keithbvadu2]

3. Jews are still in the crosshairs of the Trumpeteers.

Jews are still in the crosshairs of the Trumpeteers.

"The heat here is nothing compared to what you're going to get in the ovens," shouted Robert Ray, a writer for white supremacist site Daily Stormer.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40909547
.

[RandomAccess]

4. I agree with you wholeheartedly

I am HAUNTED by Rev. Niemoller's words with ever story about how our immigrants are being treated. And the roundup of the children into these "kinder, gentler" concentration camps is beyond belief.

We have to stop this. We must.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

[qwlauren35]

6. I'm not sure how to stop it.

I'm open to ideas. I think we have to tell everyone who will listen that this is Nazi Germany all over again.

Average white Americans are akin to the "Aryan Race".

Deplorable wypipo are akin to the "Nazis".

Latinos, African-Americans and Muslims are equivalent to "Jews".

Because of widespread propaganda, the average white American does not identify with or sympathize with Latinos, African-Americans or Muslims. I'm not talking about wypipo. I'm not talking about racists or deplorables. I'm talking about AVERAGE WHITE AMERICANS.

I would add that the divide and conquer technique is working. Black people often have no sympathy for Latinos or Muslims. Latinos often have no sympathy for Black people or Muslims. Muslims often have no sympathy for black people or Latinos. Even the minorities hate other minorities.

I really don't know what to do.

[Blue_true]

11. The far left need to stop fighting the rest of us and join forces to rid us of the scourge.

If democrats take control of Congress after January 3, 2019, Trump is neutered and we can take him and Pence out in 2020. But if the far left keep up the "I'm being told to vote, then sit down and shut up bullshit", the horrors will get worse after November, because if democrats fail to take over Congress, Trump will have no reason to fear ANYTHING going forward to 2020.

[murielm99]

24. I agree with you.

It seems if anyone is being told to vote, then sit down and shut up, it is POC. THAT is what needs to end. They are our base. If the far left wants to be a part of the base, then they need to stop being divisive!

[RandomAccess]

32. This is precisely and totally counterproductive

Move. The. Fuck. On.

If YOU think people are "fighting" -- Stop! Disengage! Move on! Find more fertile fields. Or simply save your energy for the next time.

OR, you can Stop, Snipe, and Tear that scab right off.

I can also share with you -- let's pretend it's a secret -- most of you are IMAGINING things.

[Blue_true]

40. It would have worked to have included one example with the string of insults. nt

[RandomAccess]

52. fOR REAL?

You'd be hard-pressed to open General Forum any single day without encountering a thread that mentions Bernie WITHOUT descending into Bernie-bashing and, by extension if not directly, Bernie-supporter bashing.

[Locrian]

53. +1,000,000 n/t

[RandomAccess]

54. And how do YOU feel about them

when you see them?? How warm and fuzzy about Democratic Party in general and your fellow Democrats here at DU does it make you feel?

[Locrian]

57. I ignore as much as possible

It seems there are a few with a grudge that spend way too much time stirring shit.

It. just. needs. to. stop. It's counterproductive, and plays right into the hands of the powers that be.

[certainot]

25. the driving force on this is rw talk radio and artificial intelligence will destroy rw radio soon

it just got a lot easier faster and cheaper to transcribe talk. and much more accurate in the last year.

record any talk station anywhere, drop it in the box at sonix.ai and in minutes not hours get a transcript in their text editing function where it can be corrected and searched for anything, or downloaded to your own text app.

searching for "dot" will get most local and national advertisers and they can be listed easily.

in a 3 hour limbaugh show i was able to get advertisements for 2 universities, which is really fucked up, and about 40 advertisers. most of them provided websites to find emails. limbaugh averages nearly one "trump" every minute in making excuses for him.

as soon as americans decide it's really easy to stop being fucking stupid by ignoring 1500 radio stations, advertisers and ad agencies will get the message and trump's biggest support and enabling group, the talk radio monopoly, led by russian ally limbaugh, will fall apart.

as talk radio gets the condemnation it deserves the right's most important tool and enabler of teabags, fox, and trump will reduce to a few hundred stations in the swamps.

force advertisers to declare their allegiance to trump.

this will destroy the rw radio monopoly when advertisers and ad agencies realize how easy it is to list advertisers - without listening, so they can be directly associated with the anti- american crap these stations are selling.

4 easy steps

1) Record

Quicktime, on every Mac, can record audio streams. While playing the stream turn on Quicktime, go to 'File' and 'New Audio Recording'. Just turn on the recorder and when you're done save it. With Quicktime I believe it's necessary to have volume on.... Not sure the best way to do that with a PC but there are numerous recording apps that will allow do the same. Some allow recording multiple streams at the same time and pre scheduling.

2) Transcribe

Sonix.ai maybe the cheapest, quickest, and easiest transcription service. Just drop the audio file straight into their 'box'. Sonix transcribes for $5 per hour and they send an email when it's done, with a link to the transcription in their editing program. It took minutes and was generally very accurate. The transcription can be downloaded as is or be tweaked and corrected on their site as you listen. It can also be stored there. The monthly subscription is $15 but they offer a 30 minutes free trial.

3) Search for "DOT" to identify advertisers

Live recording of radio streams will include advertisements. Most advertisements announce web sites which are usually transcribed as "so-and-so-company dot com". There were a few ads that escaped but I found most advertisers by searching for the word "dot". Sometimes the ads provided phone numbers. That's fast. The Sonix text editor allows you to highlight and add notes. Each company or quote can get a note that is listed and numbered. The notes can then be copied and pasted.

4) Contact

Websites provide phone numbers and email addresses specifically for contact by potential customers. Complaint emails may get further up the chain of command than a phone call, and there's a lasting written record for employees to pass around. It may also be easier for sympathetic staff to pass on a comment to a boss in email form than personally.

Many talk radio hosts and politicians are leaving a trail of podcasts and even Youtube video that can be found with searches. Some radio stations archive podcasts. For example GOP Rep Devin Nunes has about 50 interviews with talk radio hosts dating back over 5 years on his .gov website. Interviews of other Republican politicians can be found. They say stuff in those friendly interviews they wouldn't elsewhere. Some podcasts can be downloaded without listening.

I'm writing an email to send, something like this:

Your advertisement was found in a transcription of the Blowhard X show on station KKxx along with more than x other companies.

I want to thank you.

Thanks a lot for Trump and his incompetence, corruption, and treason. Thanks for the global warming denial, racism, defunding of public schools, tax breaks for billionaires and their mega-corporations, increasing health care worries for me and my family, school shootings, and all the other ignorant un-American crap.

Here are some quotes from the shows you help sponsor:

xxxxxx

Sincerely....…

[lunasun]

30. Thanks again for highlighting this .

[Hortensis]

36. Good post. Good info.

People with more time than money they want to spend (not that this is expensive) could listen to the shows to get the advertiser info and proceed as suggested.

[certainot]

47. paying a bit for a stream recording app allow pre scheduling and simultaneous

multi stream recording.

snowtape used to do that and was free but is no longer supported and had trouble with some imposting.

it seemed to get worse so it may be they're trying to hide their streams, trying defense

[Hortensis]

48. Oh, really? Well, suggests it's hurting. :)

[RandomAccess]

33. How often in the last week or month have you

contacted your Congresspeople -- all 3 of them -- to STAND UP TO TRUMP?

How often have you contacted the major MSM to complain about their coverage??

If you're not doing these 2 things, you don't need to think about all those other "problems" either.

[notdarkyet]

34. I agree. Once a week.

[FirstLight]

5. yep

I am right there with you!

So much to fear, so much to worry about...
I used to think that maybe I could eeeke-out this term relatively unharmed because I live in a rural California area. Now I see there are MANY ways this Admin and it's minions can fuck me and my life...

[qwlauren35]

16. Please tell me.

I have a lot of cousins on Facebook, and many are not progressive. One in particular went to great lengths to remind me that our administration is simply following the law, and if we object, we should get the law changed, but not try to defeat the enforcement of the law.

It may be that this is what is needed. We have to change the laws.

But, this is not what I wanted to ask you.

My cousin went on a rant against the California Governor for diverting funds to make a "Sanctuary State". According to my cousin, the diverted funds have left numerous public works unfunded, and at risk. I would like to hear your opinion on this. I will also do some digging, but since you are liberal AND live in CA, I figure you can give a counter perspective.

Thanks much.

[FirstLight]

17. I am actually pretty unschooled in that whole angle

I haven't seen anything hit my City, or heard of it impeding services anywhere like Sac or the Bay area...I'm thinking it's just a bunch of spin.

Though I am sure I can do some digging too...just be careful because sometimes even the news outlets we think we can trust could be owned by one of the oligarchs... IMO

[qwlauren35]

23. So far...

my digging on the Internet hasn't turned up anything about budget and funding issues. I asked my cousin to cite his sources. I did notice that a handful of cities, more conservative, have challenged and sued California over being a "sanctuary state". One town that did it had people come from out of town and out of state to back the measure. And there was a lot of hostility toward minorities, including racial slurs.

I don't like this.

I look at this as I look at the Sit-ins and the Freedom Riders. First we must change public opinion, then we have a chance at changing the laws. A path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants would put an end to this madness. And it won't happen until we have a Democratic Congress and Senate. Strong enough to override a presidential veto.

Elections matter this year.

Immigration needs to be on the platform.

[Stonepounder]

37. From what I have read, this is hooey.

I am working from memory here, not looking up the sources, but IIRC, California actually voted to raise taxes, went from a large deficit to a pretty good surplus in their budget due to the increased revenue from the higher taxes. I don't believe that they 'robbed Peter to pay Paul' for their increased spending on 'public good' projects.

Also, bear in mind that California's central valley is one of the largest sources of fruit and nuts in the country and the farmers depend on migrant workers (illegal aliens) to come in at harvest time to work the fields. Without the migrants, there is not enough cheap (or even not so cheap) labor available to get the harvest completed and the crops end up rotting in the fields.

And...remember that the Southwest (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas) was originally Spanish and a fair proportion of the latinos living there are descended from people who were living there before the territory became part of the US. They were there before the almighty white folks.

[trixie2]

7. Agreed!

[smirkymonkey]

8. I am horrified by it as well. I live in a pretty liberal area of the country, but even we have our

racist yahoos. It amazes me how emboldened they have become since Trump took office. Like they have a mandate to be openly racist and hateful. It's sickening.

[Blue_true]

9. Amen. nt

[Ferrets are Cool]

10. I agree. I just don't know what to do except try to get people out to vote.

Calling my so called "representative" is a waste of time in Alabama. I do it anyway.

[lastlib]

12. "Liberals and progressives, you are not safe. You are next."

THIS!! A RW talk jock (not sure who) once said that eventually liberals would be hunted down with dogs, with no bag limit. It's coming to pass if we don't GET OUT THERE AND FIGHT! This is for survival--of ourselves our ideals, and our country.

[AlexSFCA]

13. absolutely; this is alt right white supremacy government now

it is one thing when hate if coming from RW radio but it’s a totally different level when it comes from the president and a new generation of kids are growing up influenced by this...
People keep saying how CA is a blue state, technically yes but look at 2016 election map and it’s mostly red excet the coastline. I can drive less than 100 miles from SF inland and it’s all trump country there. Also, CA has the largest number of neo nazi hate grouls

[dgibby]

39. I have known

since before Trump was selected that being a liberal was dangerous, and I think about it every time I post on DU, FB, and Twitter. I have no doubt they'll come for us some day. Having said that, I made a conscious decision to resist, as I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC when I joined the Navy. That oath never expires, so at 72, I will do what I can to honor it, and I will not go quietly if or when they come for me.

[DBoon]

51. Have you seen the liberal hunting license

This is not funny, they are dehumanizing a mainstream political philosophy

[YOHABLO]

14. I'm not worried. I'm not a liberal, I'm a PROGRESSIVE. I'm also Irish decent. WE FIGHT LIKE HELL

[Lifelong Protester]

15. K & R!

[pnwmom]

18. Maybe it's time for a March for the Children.

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The children in undocumented families.
The children in the CHIP program.
The children who are threatened by gun violence.
The young adult Dreamers.

All the innocents who are being used as pawns and scapegoats.

[DemocracyMouse]

20. YES. YES. and YES. A March for the Children.

They are the weakest of the weak, and PRECISELY what cowards (i.e. fascists) would attack first. If we don't do everything we can to liberate them, then anyone is eventually next. The rollout of fascism has begun and we MUST nip this in the bud long before our "panacea", Muellar, gets the leader of these goons.

Basta.

[notdarkyet]

35. Yes.

[basta]

19. I agree with you, this is the end,

if it continues, of the ability of anyone not to understand we are slipping into compete facism. Here are the details that rebut the republican spin that this is legislation originated by the Democratic Party.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/30/fact-checking-immigration-spin-on-separating-families-and-1500-lost-children/?utm_term=.cc7438399592

"But none of these legal developments requires the Trump administration to separate children from their families. Instead, separations are rising in large part because of a “zero tolerance” policy implemented by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. In April, Sessions directed prosecutors to charge as many illegal entry offenses as possible."

[DemocracyMouse]

21. When do we put Sessions in a cage for perjury?

[basta]

31. I believe we need both Mueller to reveal what he has and a blue wave in the midterms to have any

chance at saving this Democracy. the republicans are steamrolling so many right wing judges through (who will wreak havoc for years) rolling back so many epa, financial, oversight regulations and assistance for that took years to implement and otherwise undoing every progressive measure designed to help people that it looks like we are skipping down the road into fascism -- if not already there.

[blue-wave]

22. I can't argue against your point

Things are scary. Apathy brought on by societal conditioning appears to be winning. Then include the anger, sometimes vitriolic hatred that some people spew forth and we are headed for a catastrophe. Our country and all Americans are in grave danger, even if at present they are blinded to the danger. We need well known, strong willed leaders to step up now more than ever. They need to shout from the hilltops for a renewed decency and morality in America. Our intelligence communities and Mueller must move forward at a quicker pace. Lives and our country depend upon it.

[Lithos]

26. I do not agree with you...

I see too many comparisons with the Irish of the 1840's than with the Jews. This was the time of the "Know-Nothings" (describes Trump to a "T" ). Jews were never immigrants - they were viewed more a "deep state" bent on conspiratorial machinations. Latinos are viewed by Trumpistas as uneducated/uncultured, breeding faster than rats and coming in to take over and change the fundamental (WASP) way of life. Same as the Irish - when there were signs up saying - "No Dogs or Irishmen allowed" )

[underthematrix]

27. I'm enraged.

[lunamagica]

28. As a Latina, I have been living with fear since November '16

I knew things were going to be horrific, but it's even worse that I imagined it. I din't know how much more of this anguish I can take.

That's why when I hear that someone needs to be "motivated" to "persuaded" to vote Democratic, my blood boils...

[lunasun]

29. I wonder if the unaffected will ever realize this until it's thier turn . More whites should have

been vocal when he came down that escalator to announce his run for president and called Mexicans rapists and murderers but they said nothing
Then Muslims all banned must be terrorist and not enough spoke
AA unpatriotic and criminals . He will,pay legal bills if his supporters beat blacks protesting and again majority whites were not outraged enough to silence such hateful talk and in the end he won the WH with R congress silent
Again not all whites but yes a subset will be coming if not already with deplorables commenting on purging all liberals including white ones
Too many "good Germans" were the same way for too long
Who was it that said 1/3 of the population wanted to kill another 1/3 of the population and another 1/3 watched and didn't really care? Seems like what is occurring .

I believe part of thier silence just like with Germans is greed - they want it all and 'others' out of the way . They may not be the active deplorables, but what's happening isn't hurting them and they may believe their silence and letting it happen will benefit them in the end , or at least can not hurt them . Many have always been rich republicans and will never vote against thier party no matter how murderous and facist it becomes

[qwlauren35]

56. Actually

It looks like some of the rich Republicans are turning against Trump. I can only hope.

[Hortensis]

38. Qwlauren, first, I believe Hispanic and black CITIZENS are mostly safe.

There are too many of you to be a good victim group; Hispanics are a larger group but don't vote in high numbers, blacks fewer but have developed real political power. In comparison Jews in Germany were closer to 1% of the population; most people didn't know any Jews. Groups targeted by these right-wing creeps must be vulnerable; they love to hunt in packs, but they don't want a fight, they just want blood. It's no accident that they're targeting vulnerable undocumented immigrants. But many Hispanic citizens are conservatives themselves; some of them are at best divided about undocumented migrants but emphatically would not be if the right came after them. Same for black conservatives.

You spoke of liberals "and progressives." Progressive just means a belief in using government to advance society and tackle problems too big for individuals and private groups, almost all liberals believe in progressivism, and some moderate conservatives also to varying degrees. Now, capital-P Progressives are a left-wing, somewhat anti-establishment political group; not all are liberals; read the box and the article for why I mention this distinction, not for this year, but to be aware of for the future. Leaders and purposes can change with time, to what we can't know.

Electoral signs so far suggest that what's happening today has gone too far (before the atrocities began against the children) and we will tamp this down, and of course get those children back to their parents. But of course the big threat of a legal right-wing takeover through elections and control of the courts remains.

In addition to what the right is capable of now, I think we all need to also watch out for is an attempt to take over our government by uniting destructive populist and other negative waves from both right and left in an electoral majority. Some frightening event could also enable them to pick up some support from less committed and easily frightened Democrats. That's how they could put together a majority that could kick aside our liberal democracy to create an authoritarian regime. It has happened in other nations.

In 2016, we had two significant populist movements, a large one on the right that was joined by the rest of the right and a small one on the left that was limited and not joined by the liberal left. But, although perhaps 1 in 10 or 12 from the left did move to the other group, the two groups didn't unite.

VOX: Populism, defined in 170 words

Pippa Norris is a political scientist at Harvard University and a scholar of populism. I spoke with her recently about the roots of the global surge in populist politics. Our conversation covered a lot of ground, but her definition of populism is both clarifying and useful:

"Populism for me has three dimensions.

* One of which is an appeal to popular sovereignty over and above liberal democracy. The argument is that moral virtue and power should be with the ordinary people and not the elites.

* The second dimension is anti-establishment, and this is opposed not just to political and economic elites but also to other perceived power-holders, like intellectuals or journalists or other groups at the top of society.

* And then thirdly, even though it's about popular sovereignty, in practice there aren't that many mechanisms. Mechanisms like public opinion polls or other forms of democratic referendum are typically weak. So in practice, what happens is the power is seen to reside in the individual leader, the charismatic leader who represents the voice of the ordinary people.

So those three elements come together but they don't tell you a lot about what populists stand for. And here what you get is a variety of populists — from authoritarian populists to progressive populists, and they differ in their actual values. (ME: Their leader decides what they stand for.)

So we shouldn’t think of populism as an ideology or a worldview; it’s not really an “ism” at all if “ism” implies a specific relationship to ideas. Populism can manifest in myriad ways, and in very different contexts."

As Norris emphasizes, there are three basic features that any populist movement shares: a rejection of representative democracy in favor of direct rule; a criticism of the prevailing power structure (i.e., the “elites”); and a single charismatic leader who personifies the movement.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/30/15078176/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-europe-populism

[Politicub]

41. The greatest dem president said that

The only thing to fear is fear itself.

I get afraid sometimes. But I try to find strength in my fellow travelers and the passion that was funneled into primary votes.

Liberals have cultural power on our side. We have each of our votes. We the people are the fourth check on government.

It is this collective energy that we must fully release to resist the demonization of Latinos by the GOP. The blue wave is building.

[jimlup]

42. Oh I think they already have it in for us

The only reason we are currently protected is existing law.

This is why it is ESSENTIAL that we take back congress THIS YEAR

[trickyguy]

44. Don't forget that the homosexuals were one of the first

groups that the Nazis targeted for extermination.
We even had our own special marker to wear on our sleeve - a pink triangle.
And it is still a symbol of the horrors we were subjected to.

So I ask you here at DU. Will anyone stand with me - a progressive gay Democrat
when they come for me? Because I know I will be one of the first to go.

[pwb]

45. Just call yourselves Democrats. Unite this divide of Trumputin.

We democrats have your back! There is not one republican that is on your side, not one.

[zentrum]

46. They are not like concentration camps.

They are concentration camps.

They are here.

Nazism is happening.

The majority of Germans, in retrospect, said they realize they sleepwalked into what happened.

[Initech]

49. The sooner this nightmare ends and these fuckers are locked behind bars the better.

What will it take for that to happen though?

[BlueJac]

50. This is by the BOOK ...

That Hitler wrote. For the life of me I can not figure the lame American public. The media not reporting the insanity of Trump is like being in the Republican Party. The party of NO BALLS or PATRIOTISM! I am looking at other living options if this continues to far!

[KPN]

55. If you have ever been to the Holocaust Museum

I'm guessing you will agree with the references and analogy to early stages Nazi Germany in the OP and upthread. I have and I do. The actions our government is taking, the media's less than strident reaction to those actions, and the apathy being shown by many of our citizens -- clear signs of normalization -- remind me very much of what I learned walking through the introductory halls of that unbelievably impactful museum about the genesis of Nazi Germany. We are all seeing and living firsthand what may well be an extraordinarily dangerous era for humankind.

[kcr]

58. This is why I push back so hard when someone here claims a Trump story is fake news

Trump is scary, and that hole in the sand seems so safe and snuggly. But I won't let them go there without a fight because it normalizes his administration. I don't know if it's the Meuller investigation seeming like it's going nowhere, or merely the effect of him being in office at all, but some people seem to be slipping into a self-soothing denial mode. Pretending Trump isn't as bad will make him more tolerable somehow. They rationalize this by labeling themselves more reality-based while smearing everyone else as believers of conspiracy theories.