The military base that called ICE on a pizza delivery man gets boycotted by area restaurants

[Soph0571]

After Pablo Villavicencio was detained by ICE while delivering a pizza to a Brooklyn military base, restaurants in the area are thinking twice before sending their delivery people.

Speaking to The Pluralist, Rafi Cohen of ​Orders2.me says that many restaurants in the area are requesting that no food orders be processed for the base.

“I can’t comment or list any specific restaurants. I can say that we have received several calls…with request to…remove the Fort Hamilton Army Base from their delivery zones,” Cohen said, adding that the the establishments will “no longer deliver food there.”

On June 1, the 32-year-old Villavicencio was delivering food to Fort Hamilton military base in Brooklyn, New York. Upon entering the base, he was asked for identification. When he could not present the identification the officer asked for, Immigration and Customs Enforcement were called and he was arrested.

[link:http://deadstate.org/the-military-base-that-called-ice-on-a-pizza-delivery-man-is-being-boycotted-by-area-restaurants/|

Heh, karma can make you very very hungry!

[Sherman A1]

1. Guess they will have to brown bag it

Or do there own pick up.

[mitch96]

59. MRE's on toast??? nt

[onethatcares]

2. I'm kinda torn on this one

apparently he had no drivers license, no state i.d, no nothing. So, he was driving without a license and insurance. Military bases and LEO frown on that. Should they have taken the pizzas and kept them at the gate telling each orderer to come pick them up?

If I knew him personally I would have told him that "It's a military base and they have signs posted saying so and also signs saying you could be arrested for not presenting proper i.d. and anything else the army deems unlawful. Are ya nutz?"

I really don't understand what the MPs did wrong here.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. ICE was called, not the local LEO.

[onethatcares]

6. Sadly, it all begins with the E-3

at the gate.

He makes the first call as to whether you pull over or pass thru. He does have a protocol and passes it up the line.

It probably went something like, "I.D. please", "Sir will you move your vehicle to that area&quot pointing to holding area), the Duty NCO then makes the call on whether to inform the O.D., the O.D. probably said to the NCO, "Well hell, what are we going to do with him?"
and decides to call the locals who then see the Hispanic name, the no i.d., and decide to call ICE.

Should they have just said, turn around and go away? As I said, I'm torn on this one.

[HopeAgain]

7. Not torn at all

No ID, no entrance, go away. Why call ICE? Bad protocols result in consequences. Time to boycott ALL the bases if that is the case.

[left-of-center2012]

11. "No ID, no entrance, go away."

That would require common sense.

[Shipwack]

23. Common sense isn't very common; this is why we have procedures.

As pointed out above, no thinking required on this one. No ID, no entrance. Period.

I stood guard duty many times, and this sort of situation would occur. I’d be courteous, but refuse entry, no matter how important the person appeared or claimed to be. If they protested, I’d give them the option of waiting while I called for guidance.

I suppose if they were “suspicious”, I would have told them to wait while I quietly notified people. That being said, appearing to be Hispanic would not be a reason to be suspicious.

[onethatcares]

77. I fully understand

at one time a person very close to me was in charge of a squad of military police. He has tales that are sometimes amusing, some times, not so much.

[brooklynite]

10. "The locals" would be NYPD, which under City policy doesn't notify ICE about immigration status

[Lee-Lee]

66. Under NYC policy ICE still would have gotten him

This isn’t a case where they ask about his status or they question his status and notify ICE.

In this case he had an active Federal Warrant. Even the most progressive sanctuary cities will still turn someone with a warrant over to ICE. They have to. It’s an order from a Federal Judge.

Sanctuary city means they don’t send info about people’s status to ICE and they don’t coopywith voluntary detainer requests from ICE. But they can’t ignore a warrant from a Federal Court.

[LuvNewcastle]

12. I go to a local military base several times a week.

I'm not surprised they called ICE, really. If he had no ID (which is illegal for a driver) and if his English wasn't very good, it doesn't seem like a stretch to think that maybe he is in the country illegally.

People have to have some sort of base-issued ID or a military ID to get on base down here. Why did the restaurant send him out to deliver if he didn't have his ID with him? Does he have an ID and he just forgot to bring it to work with him? They should have told him to always bring his ID to work. I guess the people at the gate should have figured he was here legally if a restaurant was sending him out to deliver orders, but you never know for sure about what people are doing until you investigate it.

It's pretty normal for people on a military base to overreact to unusual situations. I'm not surprised by this story and I'm not sure they really did anything wrong to the driver. Would they have called ICE if a white or black driver had failed to produce ID? Probably not, as long as the person spoke English well. They called ICE on this driver because of a combination of circumstances. They weren't picking on him.

[Demsrule86]

15. Fuck the military base...now they get shitty pizza which is better than they deserve...he had a city

ID...these bozos should be discharged...no doubt careers are over.

[LuvNewcastle]

19. What is a "city ID?"

Is that a legal form of ID? Most people only accept state-issued IDs or military IDs. I didn't know cities even made IDs for people. You might not like the military, but if you have to deal with them, you generally have to follow the rules. That's just the way they operate. I can understand if other drivers don't want to deliver there anymore, but the base didn't really do anything wrong.

[Demsrule86]

29. I don't want to hear it...and ICE has access to the system...they could have checked him out but

instead acted like the brownshirts they are. I am sick and tired of this shit. I hope these assholes never get another pizza.

[bearsfootball516]

39. You're not answering his questions and just ignoring the logic of the situation here.

[Lee-Lee]

65. He had an active warrant

They were legally obligated to call ICE at that point.

[yardwork]

20. Depends on how you feel about calling ICE on anybody.

I live in a sanctuary city and I'm proud of it. I don't like the gestapo.

[LuvNewcastle]

27. I wouldn't call ICE on anyone personally.

I'm not a bit surprised, however, that the military did. It's the typical kind of dick move they usually make. I expect them to do things like that, which is why I don't try to get on base without a legal ID. Most people expect that from the military, which is why the people on base got suspicious when someone tried to get on their base without ID. They probably thought, 'where in the world is this guy from? Why doesn't he know better?'

[yardwork]

38. So it's reasonable for restaurants to refuse to deliver to the base.

[LuvNewcastle]

54. If they don't have drivers who can go on base,

then they shouldn't send them out there. The restaurants need to know the legal status of their drivers. You would think they would anyway, just because of the liability issue. Restaurants frequently decide not to send their drivers into certain areas or drivers refuse to go to certain areas. It's legal for them to do that here.

[LisaL]

56. And it's probably a good idea for someone working in delivery to have a valid driver's license.

I am just saying.

[LuvNewcastle]

57. Exactly.

I don't understand why that would be controversial at all. If people drive on the streets, they should be licensed and they should have their licenses with them. It's elementary.

[Lee-Lee]

58. Most places near bases hire reservists and military retirees just because they get on base easy

Delivery drivers, taxi drivers, so many others near military bases will be almost all military dependents, reservists or retirees because they have an ID and get on base easily.

[Betty88]

72. In Brooklyn as in much of NYC he was probably on a bike nt

[Sailor65x1]

32. Of course they did nothing wrong

The guy had an open warrant.

[DVRacer]

24. You have most of it

What I read via a DOD memo
He approached the gate with only a NYCID
He was sent to the pass office
In the course of issuing a pass they ran him thru NCIC
He popped on a warrant for deportation in 2010
Once that happens they were Required to call the issuing authority as he was listed as a fugitive from justice
ICE shows up and the rest is where we are now

Reading further into this
He consented to a voluntary order of deportation in 2010 in hopes it would allow him a chance to return legally but found out his girlfriend was pregnant. The court didn’t allow him to revoke his plea deal and he skipped out on it. To take care of his family here. Now the harshest among us would say then they all should have left ,but his girlfriend now wife is an American citizen. Which complicates matters because she can’t just arbitrarily live in another country either.
Hopefully this family will get a good attorney and get a compassionate ruling from the court.

[Demsrule86]

30. Your interpretation unless you have a link you didn't present is misleading.

"On June 1, the 32-year-old Villavicencio was delivering food to Fort Hamilton military base in Brooklyn, New York. Upon entering the base, he was asked for identification. When he could not present the identification the officer asked for, Immigration and Customs Enforcement were called and he was arrested.

According to BuzzFeed, base spokesperson Cathy SantoPietro said in a statement that ICE was called because Villavicencio tried to make a delivery “without valid Department of Defense identification.”

“Commanders are authorized to take reasonably necessary and lawful measures to maintain law and order and protect installation personnel and property,” the statement from SantoPietro concluded.

Villavicencio, who has a wife and two daughters who are American citizens, is an undocumented immigrant with a pending green card application."

[DVRacer]

33. Here you go

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/07/us/ice-undocumented-immigrant-arrest-pizza-delivery/index.html

I obviously can’t post a DOD memo but here is the gist of it from CNN

[Demsrule86]

45. Fine...what a criminal ...so glad they go him...just wow...this indicates why

our system is fucked up...a guy with an American wife and kids deported...

[Sanity Claws]

8. Was he driving?

A lot of delivery people use bicycles in New York. Traffic is so bad that it is easier to use a bike.

He didn't have a state id but had a city id.

When his employer tells him to deliver something somewhere, do you think he can just say no? I suppose he could but he would be fired.

As you can see, I think a lot of your assumptions are wrong.

[LisaL]

16. Restaurant is reportedly 26 miles from the base.

So it would have taken him couple of hours to get to the base with the pizza.

[Sanity Claws]

25. That doesn't sound right.

Pizza places in Brooklyn are practically on every block.
Most restaurants restrict deliveries to within a certain area. I have never heard of a restaurant delivering to some place 26 miles away.

[LisaL]

26. I can only go by what is being reported.

Restaurant is reportedly " in College Point, Queens — a 26-mile drive from the base.'

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/pizza-delivery-man-turned-over-immigration-authorities-after-stop-nyc-n880881

[JHB]

70. Still, it's so nuts that either it was a special delivery, or the report has it wrong

College Point and Fort Hamilton are almost as far apart as you can get and still be in Queens and Brooklyn. It's an hour drive even when traffic is ok.

There are quite literally dozens of pizza places closer to the base.

ON EDIT: Appears to be no mistake. Somebody at the base just really like's Nonna Delia's stuff.

https://qns.com/story/2018/06/07/driver-college-point-pizzeria-arrested-ice-brooklyn-delivering-food/

He Delivered Pizza to an Army Base in Brooklyn. Now He Faces Deportation.
By Liz Robbins
June 6, 2018

Food delivery. Sanctuary. Those are often the anchors for the more than half a million undocumented immigrants who live and work in New York City.

But an incident at the United States Army base in Fort Hamilton, Brooklyn, last week has called those foundations into question, and provoked new tension in the city’s battle with federal immigration authorities over protections for immigrants without legal status.

Pablo Villavicencio Calderon, 35, an undocumented immigrant, was making a delivery from a brick-oven pizza restaurant in Queens to the Army base next to the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge on Friday before lunchtime.
***
A manager at the restaurant, reached by phone on Wednesday, would say only that Mr. Villavicencio “is a good guy,” but did not want to comment further because “the family is suffering.” The restaurant is nearly an hour away from the base, and the manager acknowledged that it had delivered there in the past.

[Maraya1969]

13. And why did they ask him for his license unless he was the wrong shade of brown

and had an accent? Would they have asked to see the license of a white kid with blue eyes and a southern drawl?

[LisaL]

17. To enter military base, everybody is asked for an ID.

So, yes, they would have asked an ID from a white kid with blue eyes.

[brush]

28. Just turn him away. Why get ICE involved?

[LisaL]

34. Because he didn't have a valid ID he was told to get a daily pass.

To get him a daily pass they had to do a background check. So presumably he could have left once they told him he didn't have a valid ID.

"Fort Hamilton officials said in a statement that at about 11 a.m. on June 1, a visitor attempted to gain access to the base to make a delivery without valid Department of Defense identification. He was told to get a daily pass, which prompted a background check showing an active ICE warrant on file. That prompted personnel to contact immigration authorities and turn over the visitor to ICE, officials said."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/pizza-delivery-man-turned-over-immigration-authorities-after-stop-nyc-n880881

[Maraya1969]

49. OK so that is a point. But they wouldn't have called ICE for a white kid with

blue eyes, who was delivering a damn pizza.

[Lee-Lee]

67. If that kid had an active immigration warrant for him they would

[Maraya1969]

73. They wouldn't have looked. eom

[Lee-Lee]

74. That's not how it works- yes they would

When you go to get a pass for a military base they check you for warrants in NCIC.

That one system is a clearinghouse for all warrants- local, state and federal. Including immigration warrants. That one check is the same for everyone and pulls up any warrants they have. It’s the same one a cop checks you for warrants on when you get pulled over. It’s part of the system used when you go to buy a gun, etc. So when they check you it will pull up if you have any kind of warrant for you- for a crime, for a missed court date, for not paying child support, for deportation because you blew off your court date for immigration court or any other warrant. One check finds them all.

So yes, they would have. It’s the exact same check for every single person requesting a pass. Your claim they wouldn’t have is 100% categorically false.

You are accusing people you never met of being racists and acting in a racist fashion with absolutely zero proof and only your ignorance of how things are done as your evidence. Baseless accusations of racism like this, unfounded in any evidence at all, are what make it harder to push and spotlight actual incidents of racism.

[onethatcares]

18. oh hell yes.

I'm an older white guy, I need an I.D. to get on base. Hell, I need to go in and get a pass to go on base. I need to show my drivers license, and insurance card to get on base. In fact, I have to have a certain person I know come to the gate and sponsor me in order to get on base.

It has nothing to do with race.

Here's a thought. Not knowing what demographic you belong in, go to the nearest military installation, pull up to the gate, tell them you don't need an i.d. to get in and see what happens. If you can't do it yourself, send one of your friends of any demographic.

This is starting to lean toward being a sovereign citizen and the laws do not apply. That definitely does not apply to military installations.

[tazkcmo]

48. There is also a notice

A sign is posted at the entrance to Army bases (I can't speak for other branches) that basically says your Constitutional rights don't apply on base.

[Jake Stern]

61. When I would go with my auntie to (then) Andrews AFB for her doctors appointments

I had to show ID and that's with many of the gate personnel knowing me by name.

A pasty white pizza delivery guy would have also had to show ID.

[Demsrule86]

14. They called ice on the guy because he is brown...and I am sick of living in a papers please country.

Unless you have broken a law you should not be required to produce identification...what are we Nazi Germany?

[Sailor65x1]

35. No. They called ICE because he had an open warrant.

But hey, let's blame somebody else!

[Demsrule86]

41. link?

The OP said he is married to an American citizen and has a kids who is a citizen and is in the process of getting a green card...no warrant mentioned. But defend the brownshirts...go for it.

[Sailor65x1]

51. It's stated in almost every story available online

But here's a link anyway.

As you are certainly aware, the OP and its associated link were formulated specifically to support s narrative. That narrative is BS.

Brownshirts? Grow up.

[bearsfootball516]

40. If you're entering a military base, you should absolutely have to produce identification.

This is common sense.

[mercuryblues]

76. What kind of business would hire

a delivery driver that does not have a valid license and a clean record? Then sends him to the base where they know the check your license to get on?

I'll tell you one thing, those businesses need the base, more than the base needs them.

[DFW]

3. The base can send out their Delta Unit to score some food and bring it back safe and secure.

Meanwhile the idiot who called ICE deserves a dishonorable discharge. I sure don't want anyone like him on the front lines if he is that bad at telling friend from foe.

[yardwork]

21. +1.

[Sailor65x1]

36. The driver was already wanted

Had the guard NOT called, then he/she would have been derelict and deserved punishment. But in this case, no way.

[DFW]

63. Point taken

I was not aware of the responsibility of the base entrance guards. One has to assume the driver had no idea what a precarious situation he was in, or he would never have agreed to the delivery at the base. It was then too late when he realized what the consequences were, and for all we know, maybe his employer had no clue, either. But it does put the actions of the entry guards in a more mitigating light, no question. I appreciate the clearing up of the details.

[gejohnston]

71. the only way to get a dishonorable discharge is to

be convicted of a major crime in a general court martial.

[safeinOhio]

5. My Karma

just ran over your Dogma.

[yardwork]

22. This is a case where that saying truly applies.

[Mc Mike]

9. Good move. Smart.

I'm sorry about the personnel who weren't happy about their co-workers' nazi move, but those non-nazis couldn't do anything to stop the nazis, so that's the way it goes.

[Lee-Lee]

31. Ok here is the deal with access on a base

Last edited Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:14 AM - Edit history (4)

First, it requires a federally accepted form of valid ID. The “city ID” he had doesn’t work.

To drive in base you need a valid Federalky accepted ID, proof of valid vehicle registration and proof of valid insurance. There are signs at every gate.

Pretty much all bases will make visitors register on the way in. They take your ID and run an records check to make sure you don’t have a warrant out, are not on the list barred from entering military facilities, or don’t have any prior convictions that would disqualify you from being allowed entry.

If that check pops a flag for ICE then they don’t have a choice. Most bases have Federal Civilian LE security as well as MPs at gates, but both of them are required to work and operate based on Federal regulations. They can’t ignore a hit from ICE when they run his ID.

And since driving to the visitors center or the gate is driving onto the facility, they had to run him to see if he even had a valid drivers license before allowing him to drive away. Driving onto a military base, even just to the gate, without a valid drivers license means your car is going to be towed unless you have a licensed driver show up. No, they won’t let you just drive it off base. Military bases are tighter on traffic law enforcement than even the most restrictive speed trap small town, for everyone on the base visitor or stationed there.

The folks blaming the base for this blaming the wrong people- their hands were tied. It’s like blaming a police department for making an arrest because a bank robber walked in tried to pay a fine with money stained by a dye pack.

It was a mind boggling level of stupid for an undocumented immigrant with no valid drivers license to drive up to a military base and try to get on.

Edit- I see someone posted above a link with the full story. He had an active deportation warrant! So he made an even worse decision here- he knew he had a warrant and walked drove into a Federal facility without a valid drivers license and handed them his “city ID” to let them run a background check so he could get on base.

[Sailor65x1]

37. "tried to pay a fine with money stained by a dye pack."

Perfect analogy.

[TheBlackAdder]

42. +1,673,285 Yep, the entry gate guards are completely absolved from this, else it would be their ass.

[Lee-Lee]

44. He literally walked up to them and said "I'm committing a bunch of crimes"

Not sure what people think happens when you do that...

[Trek4Truth]

43. This happened in BROOKLYN!!! They very last place any bullshit like this should be occurring.

I'm also tired of waking up and being angered straight away.

[dubyadiprecession]

46. We shouldn't condone lawlessness or punish the good people (along with the bad) on that base.

We live in this country under the rule of law. If we don't, we are no better than Trump.

[Iggo]

47. He didn't turn him away. He didn't even call the cops. He called immigration.

Where in that story is he good people?

[dubyadiprecession]

50. Did i say he was good people?

[Iggo]

53. Well, you did say the good along with the bad, and I seem to have skipped over that part. Sorry.

But let me say this, when you join up with a group that wears uniforms, you take the good with the bad. What one does, they all do.

So in my opinion, yes, it's necessary that the good get punished along with the bad.

[Sailor65x1]

52. Yes, and rightly so.

Because that's who issued the warrant. So yeah, he's good people; a military man who did his duty properly.

[LisaL]

55. Because the background showed an warrant from ICE.

[Lee-Lee]

62. I don't think you understand how a warrant works

When any law enforcement officer- local, state or federal- finds out a person they are dealing with has a warrant they are legally obligated to deliver that person to the agency that issued the warrant.

Period. It’s an order from the court, there is no discretion on following that order.

There are very, very few exceptions to this. One is if the warrant if from an agency that will only come get the person within a certain distance, many low-level warrants they will only pick up in state or in adjoining states. So the court order has limits.

In this case he went in to a place where Federal LE were going to do a background check, knowing he had an active immigration warrant. Once the authorities on the base, military or civilian, realized that they were legally obligated and mandated to contact ICE.

[Solly Mack]

60. Excellent. That's a great response.

For workers who might risk arrest.

[Initech]

64. This country is going to hell very fast.

[Lee-Lee]

68. Does everyone posting realize even in a sanctuary city he would have been handed over to ICE?

This isn’t a case where they ask about his status or they question his status and notify ICE.

In this case he had an active Federal Warrant. Even the most progressive sanctuary cities will still turn someone with a warrant over to ICE. They have to. It’s an order from a Federal Judge.

You ignore an active warrant from a judge and they will hold individual officers and agencies in contempt among other actions.

Sanctuary city means they don’t send info about people’s status to ICE and they don’t coopywith voluntary detainer requests from ICE. But they can’t ignore a warrant from a Federal Court. In this case his status had already come before a court, he decided to skip out on proceedings halfway through and he had a warrant issued.

He would have been arrested by any LE officer of any kind who ran his background when the warrant came up. And even in a sanctuary city he would have been handed over to the custody of ICE. They can’t igbore a warrant.

[wonkwest]

69. It's not karma when a criminal walks up to federal officers declaring they're a criminal

This guy broke a bunch of laws. And the people boycotting are idiots.

Even if he was a citizen, driving up to law enforcement without a license is a bad idea. You or I wouldn't get away with it.

[Judi Lynn]

75. Spectacular news. Thank you, Soph571. That's a real bright spot in the day. Wow. n/t

[Gothmog]

78. This is an appropriate response

[Cha]

79. Nice of the military base to turn

in their own Pizza Delivery guy to the Fascistrumps.

That is some bad Pizza Karma..

Good on the area restaurants.. Good Karma!