22-year-old Christian preacher clarifies that he wants gays executed 'humanely'

[riversedge]

Hate keeps creeping out of the cracks in America




22-year-old Christian preacher clarifies that he wants gays executed ‘humanely’

http://deadstate.org/22-year-old-christian-preacher-clarifies-that-he-wants-gays-executed-humanely/
By Sky Palma
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Posted on May 30, 2018

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“As far as homosexuality goes, I believe the Bible puts the death penalty on it,” Powell said. “I believe it’s disgusting. And incidentally, every scientific test has come back and said that homosexuals are 50 more times likely to get AIDS… we got this AIDS thing spreading… it’s a fact that this is the case.”

“You don’t believe that gay people should be stoned to death, do you?” Skylar asked.

“I believe the Bible puts the death penalty on it,” Powell replied. “Obviously, not by me or anybody in a regular society, obviously. I believe it’s the government’s job to execute criminals. I believe that the Bible says clearly that homosexuality is a criminal crime. It’s a crime. It’s one of the worst crimes ever.”

“Is that what you’re advocating for?” Skylar pressed. “That our government should stone gays to death to execute them?”
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“By whatever means they execute people. And obviously, I believe in humane, you know, putting to death,” Powell replied.............................

[Voltaire2]

1. He is correct about what the Bible says.

Long past time to discard those ancient texts.

[RainCaster]

3. He forgot about Jesus's teachings on love

And how hate is equated to murder.

[Voltaire2]

4. I'm sure that he can explain exactly how

executing homosexuals can be done with Jesus’s approval.

[stopbush]

12. Well, easy. Jesus said that the Law was fully in effect until

“Heaven and Earth pass away,” that not one iota of the Law would change until then.

Ergo, while Jesus never specifically named homosexuality to be a sin, he did say it was a sin by contending that the strictures against it as outlined in the OT were still in effect, along with the punishment for being homosexual.

[Hekate]

50. On the contrary: Love thy neighbor as thyself supercedes the Old Law

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

[stopbush]

69. It's a matter of interpretation. During the Inquisition, I'm sure

the torturers felt they were loving their neighbors by torturing them into loving jeebus.

“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth shall pass away, not even one iota, nor one stroke of a letter, shall pass away from the law, until everything should happen.” - Matthew 5:18

[OliverQ]

14. The Bible never says what he's saying.

Leviticus is complicated, and is not referring to modern day homosexuals.

Jesus also never said a word about gays. He did call out people like this fake pastor though and says he doesn't know them.

[Voltaire2]

17. Well it does. Obviously, in Leviticus.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

But I am not understanding your reference to "modern day homosexuals" as somehow different from ancient homosexuals. Could you please explain that so that I can understand how ancient homosexuals were subject to execution but this would not apply to "modern" homosexuals?

[OliverQ]

22. That's a mistranslation and is actually referring to temple worship.

Leviticus was written to the Levite priesthood on proper ritual practices and to not emulate the Canaanites. It has no application to society at large.

I've been studying this for years. That is a stupid understanding of Leviticus.

[Voltaire2]

24. OK but that is now an entirely different argument.

Now you've settled into the "mistranslated" argument. Before you claimed that it just didn't apply to "modern day homosexuals".

If you are just going to keep changing your argument it is difficult to have an actual discussion.

[OliverQ]

25. I'm claiming both. It's entirely misunderstood and misquoted

and the verse never intended to apply to the general population. It's a book written about Priesthood rituals in contrast to the Canaanite pagan religions. Removing it from context like you did (and that all Evangelicals do) is a butchering of the text.


There are a lot of contextual and textual issues with that verse that nobody bothers to evaluate. It's just a "clobber" passage that uneducated people love to throw out as a weapon against gays.

[Voltaire2]

28. So you still haven't explained what you

think the difference is between “modern” and “ancient” homosexuals such that Leviticus applies to ancient homosexuals only.

By the way are you also claiming that the prohibitions on incest in Leviticus also only apply to “priesthood rituals”?

There is a couple of thousand years of Talmudic interpretations of the same text that disagrees with your view. Would you agree that there is legitimate disagreement with your opinion about these texts?

[bench scientist]

55. Are you agreeing with his position?

That modern homosexuals should be subject to being put to death in Leviticus?

[Voltaire2]

61. Oh fuck no. I am agreeing that Leviticus clearly

states that homosexuality is grounds for execution.

Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

[theophilus]

56. Correct about what is found in the Old Testament addressed to pre-Christian

Jews. How do modern Jews feel about what this "Christian" says? Do they execute folks for this cause in Israel?

Anyway, the New Testament does not teach execution for any reason. It does say that the Government can execute and warns Christians not to break laws that would bring that result or any other punishment. The "Christian" Evangelicals don't know what "The Bible" says or who it speaks to.

A quick skim of the New Testament shows that Christians have faith in what Jesus did and who He is. They are then to practice their religion by loving one another (and everyone else, too) and doing Good Works. Paul says that, as far as things to obey are concerned, all that matters is Faith working through Love.

I am reading a Kindle Ebook called Created for Good Works! God's Plan for Christians: Faith, Love, and Good Works by H.K. Woodrow that makes what this guy said look about as evil as evil gets.

True Christians do what Jesus did. They love people and go about doing good. If Christianity had held to that practice what would the world look like today? It is disgusting what those claiming Christianity say. Eat up with ignorance and hate.

[Voltaire2]

62. For most of the history of Christianity

Christian institutions were either executing people themselves or demanding that the state execute people. The laws of the OT also were routinely applied. And as noted elsewhere in this thread there is at least one unambiguous statement in the NT that the OT laws remain in effect.

[theophilus]

67. Jesus said the Law of Moses was in effect until "All was accomplished". It was accomplished

at the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. After that point the Law passed into history and the Law of Christ went into effect. Paul spent his career fighting the Judaizers who wanted Gentile converts to observe the Law of Moses and believe in Jesus to be saved. The response from the Apostle Paul was, "No way!" Peter had to be taught that there were no more dietary laws or restrictions from associating with non-Jewish Christians. It is all there. There was a change. The former Jews could still follow some of the practices but they could not bind them on others. There was misuse and abuse but it was out with the Old and in with the New. It is there if you will look. All the commands were superseded by "Love your neighbor as yourself." Old habits die hard and many still want to put the ten commandments on the courthouse lawn. They are wrong.

If we believe in loving others and treating them the way we want to be treated we are following the teachings of Jesus even if we do not claim belief in Jesus. Can't we all agree that love, and not hatred and fear, is the answer?

[Voltaire2]

70. The laws that were rescinded were dick clipping

and pork eating. That was done to expand beyond Jews.

[krispos42]

60. The Bible also says that ᴨ equals 3, exactly

Not ᴨ ≈ 3.14159. ᴨ = 3.0000000

2 Chronicles 4 King James Version (KJV)

1: Moreover he made an altar of brass, twenty cubits the length thereof, and twenty cubits the breadth thereof, and ten cubits the height thereof.

2: Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chronicles+4&version=KJV

I think it's time to stop taking the Bible so seriously.

[Voltaire2]

63. Which is my point.

Obviously not a moral guide from an omniscient entity, and just full of obvious errors, nonsense, and contradictions. Nor is it original.

[krispos42]

66. Exactly!

:cheers:

[RKP5637]

2. Hmmm ... his background should be explored some. ... hope there's a watch on him, lots of

crossover in statements like his.

[Iggo]

5. Who hurt you, Matt?

[yardwork]

8. My thoughts exactly.

[dubyadiprecession]

6. Because that is what christ would do.

[Hav]

7. Another fine example of how important the separation of church and state is

It's one barrier against the crazy religious beliefs that still plague us today.

[leftyladyfrommo]

9. Good God. He is a real and present danger

and should be humanely executed.

[MineralMan]

10. Damn! How is it that such a person can call himself

a Christian? How is it that other Christians do not stand up and insist that he find some other line of work?

[gratuitous]

42. Because he knows how repugnant his views are

So he has to hide behind a deliberately poor reading and understanding of the Bible.

[SCantiGOP]

13. What you overlooked:

He said that it was a “criminal crime,” not just a crime.
That’s like a double dog dare.

[bullwinkle428]

15. What about all of the other "sinners" for whom the Bible demands execution?

For example, kids that talk back to their parents?

[ROB-ROX]

16. The word BIBLE means BOOK

This book was put together and written by MEN. There may be good advice in this book, but there is also BAD advice in this book. There is a story in this book about a man having SEX with his daughters; this can not be GOOD advice. I think it is time to EDIT the FOOLISH crap out of the BOOK and stick with the GOOD STUFF.........

[RKP5637]

26. And the bible was selected from other books back then. A lot of it was political too, as well as

judgmental. It was also very profitable and used as a tool for political and wealth clout. There was also a lot of one-upmanship in the good book. It was what they had then, good or bad and people leveraged their intentions off of it, often a tool for oppression and obedience. And the strong male preachers and whatnot used it as a club. IMO it's time to toss all of this crap. It's so hard to believe in the 21st century some are still clutching the bible.

[BlueMTexpat]

18. People like this are why I

no longer consider myself a religious person.

[dgibby]

33. Right there with you.n/t

[sunonmars]

19. I'm pretty sure there is a long list of abominations in the bible that these preachers conveniently

forget about.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/all-the-things-the-bible-wants-to-execute-you-for

Pretty sure Trump should be stoned a million times over according to this.

[mnhtnbb]

20. Good grief. Where do you start with someone like this?

If he wants to use his mythological book of sky daddy stories to justify stoning gays, how about we return to the Roman custom of throwing Christians to the lions? We could make sure everyone stands for the National Anthem and it could be the opening act in all those pro football stadiums. Just think of the fun!



I was tempted to leave out the sarcasm smiley, but figured I'd be incinerated if I didn't include it.

This is the problem with all these evangelicals: they don't believe in evolution--physical or societal--and want to enshrine some book of stories as law that we now know flies in the face of science.

[Garrett78]

31. You don't. The people who think sexual orientation is a choice are bad enough.

Those who call for the death penalty (which more would if they could get away with it) are even further out of reach.

[world wide wally]

21. Defining "sel-righteous" asshole

[Wounded Bear]

23. This is why we separate church and state...

"sin" ain't a "crime" unless the government says so.

[SWBTATTReg]

27. And who is going to listen to this 22 year piece of crap? Where's his vast knowledge of life ...

if one has been around for any amount of time? Idiot mouths off w/o knowing what he's talking about. This guy is going to dig his own grave before too long, w/ his own mouth.

[tonedevil]

34. He seems to be...

quite an expert on criminal crime.

[spanone]

29. don trump has encouraged hate to pour out of the cracks in America

[Garrett78]

30. Meanwhile, the mainstream media promotes false equivalencies such as...

...right wing extremists (death penalty for LGBTQ persons) are the same as those who, say, advocate for the platform of The Movement for Black Lives.

[lunasun]

36. Yep overheard someone I sometimes work near discussing "violent BLM and feminazis "as threatening

to our society ....no mention of the current Christian crusaders who want death for others

[Sneederbunk]

32. Apparently gave up on imitating Christ.

As if he ever tried.

[lunasun]

35. 22 yr. old preacher yet people keep assuring me that this will all fade away shortly because younger

folks are all progressive & accepting of all . I don't even see it generationally fading away in my own big metro area and remain vigilant

[Different Drummer]

54. "...yet people keep assuring me that this will all fade away shortly because younger...

folks are all progressive & accepting of all."

I don't see it fading away in my area, either. I would say 90 percent of my generational cohorts (I'm 56) that I know are deplorables and they have raised their kids to be deplorables. The younger generation has heard and obeyed.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

37. god, protect me from your followers.

[Initech]

38. These people are absolutely fucking sickening.

[Oneironaut]

39. Imagine if America were full of people like this?

Oh wait, we don’t have to. It used to be, and they constantly terrorized and lynched black people. I know these views are still way too common, but we can never let these types claw their way back into government positions.

[Runningdawg]

40. Venture out into the boonies of the Bible belt

you will find dozens more just like him. They don't have 350 youtube followers but they each have small congregations that overall add up to many more. It's not just gays they want to kill - "witches" are still a favorite target as well.

[Blue_true]

48. I used to be differential to religious people.

Saying one cross word to them was unpleasant for me. But given the behavior of some religious people for decades of my life, when they spew bullshit, I confront them instantly.

[Thekaspervote]

41. You first asshole

[stevenleser]

43. The camp commandant from Auschwitz testified to the Nuremberg tribunal

That the folks he killed were killed humanely. All over 1 million of them.

He couldn’t understand why that attempt at making himself look better actually had the opposite effect.

As should this.

[DFW]

44. He should have tried this with president Bartlett:

[suffragette]

47. My first thought as well. Head on and full throttle against the willful prejudice and selective

bias of the hate of such people.

[Vinca]

45. Only a matter of time before Pastor Hatemonger is seen doing a sheep in a pasture.

[Hortensis]

46. Humanity will always produce duds.

The internet is giving some of them wider exposure, so more than their unfortunate families and neighbors may become aware of some of these creeps. But let's not imagine mentally screwed 22-year-olds are something new. Just be glad this one isn't a relative who'll be moving in and out of your house for the rest of your life.

[Ilsa]

49. Looking forward to reading about him in the newspaper,

under misdemeanor arrests for public solicitation in a park mensroom or sadly, him approaching male members of his congregation.

I simply can't believe he will go through his whole life without something smacking him upside the head.

[Initech]

51. As the late great Bill Hicks once said "anyone that far to the right is hiding something ."

I bet this guy has a whole closet full of skeletons - both literally and figuratively!

[jmowreader]

52. Let's see what ELSE the Bible wants you executed for

This is from Leviticus 20...

Changing religions away from Christianity
"Turning to mediums and spiritists" - which means anyone who reads his or her horoscope has had it
Cursing your parents
Sleeping with another man's wife
Sleeping with one of your father's wives that isn't your mother
Sleeping with your daughter-in-law
Same-sex relationships
Marrying both a woman and her mother
Bestiality
Sex with the daughter of any of your father's wives
Sex with a menstruating woman
Sex with your aunt
Marrying your brother's wife

You also get executed for:
Touching Mount Sinai
Taking accursed things
Blasphemy
Adultery
Not being a virgin on your wedding night, but only if you're a woman. (Since plural marriage was common then, there's no way the man could be a virgin, especially if he was taking his ninth wife.)
Working on the Sabbath
Cursing the nation's leaders

Christian leaders claim there are no contradictions in the Bible...neglecting the greatest contradiction of all: Exodus 20.13's commandment not to kill just before God hands down the Holy Hit List.

[Botany]

53. He is gay .... end of story .... and I DON'T mean that in an anti gay way to my GLBT friends

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

[roamer65]

57. Hmmm...might as well say it.

I’d like to throw scumbag fake Christians like this one to the lions.

Let’s say, a “taste of old Rome”. Hell, let’s sell tickets for it.

[NickB79]

58. Over half of all HIV-infected people are women

http://www.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/hiv-and-aids/facts-and-figures

Globally, in 2015 there were an estimated 17.8 million women living with HIV (15 and older), constituting 51 per cent of all adults living with HIV [1].
Young women and adolescent girls aged 15-24 are particularly affected. Globally, in 2015 there were an estimated 2.3 million adolescent girls and young women living with HIV, that constitute 60 per cent of all young people living with HIV (15-24) [2].

[rickford66]

59. My religious beliefs call for Christian Preachers to be stoned to death.

Now what ?

[Omaha Steve]

64. "Thou shalt not kill"

The Sixth Commandment of the Ten Commandments!

[struggle4progress]

65. The Cockoo Bird

[xor]

68. On the plus side, he has very few subscribers and his videos receive only a small number of views.

I'm torn as to if it's best to expose these people and in the process give them exposure they normally wouldn't have, or if it's better to ignore them and let them continue to have a limited audience.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

71. Oh well that changes it all