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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:22 PM Jun 2018

America's Dairy Farms Are in Crisis and the Farm Bill Won't Help

When Lorraine Lewandrowski drives from her Herkimer County dairy farm to her law office each day, she notices the changes happening across rural upstate New York. “When I grew up here, we had 30 or 40 farms in our neighborhood,” she says. “We had a local hardware store, machinery dealers, two dentists, two doctors. We had a vibrant rural town. Now we don’t have that.”

Today, she says, roadsides are dotted with “for sale” signs. Farms sit vacant, their owners having relocated to urban areas in search of work. Once-pristine barns have become dilapidated after years of low prices left farmers without money for infrastructure upkeep. The closest city, Utica, is the sixth-most distressed city in the country, with about half of the adults unemployed and more than a quarter of the population living in poverty.

Depressed farm prices are impacting farmers across industries nationwide. Since 2013, farm income has fallen by more than fifty percent, and median farm income for 2018 is projected to be negative (-$1,316, to be exact). But dairy farmers are arguably being hit the hardest, as they face a fourth year of milk prices that are well below the cost of production. The resulting stress has become so pronounced that the Agri-Mark Dairy Cooperative, which manages milk sales for its member farms, sent farmers suicide hotline numbers along with their milk checks earlier this year.

Today, it costs a farmer approximately $22 to produce a hundredweight, or one hundred pounds, of milk. But the market price for milk is significantly less. While the price of milk constantly fluctuates, farmers are currently paid as low as $15 per hundredweight—30 percent less than the cost of production.

https://talkpoverty.org/2018/06/07/americas-dairy-farms-crisis-farm-bill-wont-help/
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America's Dairy Farms Are in Crisis and the Farm Bill Won't Help (Original Post) oberliner Jun 2018 OP
This is a national tragedy. Small farms were always the backbone of the country... First Speaker Jun 2018 #1
It is a shame oberliner Jun 2018 #6
Wait a minute.. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #2
What is the solution? My granddad was a small dairy farmer, but he sold out in 60s as he Hoyt Jun 2018 #3
Seems like the solution is to sell oberliner Jun 2018 #4
Hope that the organic farm will rise to save the corporate farm...... a kennedy Jun 2018 #5
People aren't really drinking milk anymore oberliner Jun 2018 #7
Damn......I'm part of the problem then....... a kennedy Jun 2018 #8
Depends on how "rural" is my bet ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #25
We have too many diary farmers producing too much milk Kaleva Jun 2018 #9
Yes, and the demand keeps going down oberliner Jun 2018 #11
The solution is already happening Kaleva Jun 2018 #13
That's not really a "solution" per se, more of a consequence oberliner Jun 2018 #14
Same thing happened with the home ice delivery and whale lamp oil businesses Kaleva Jun 2018 #15
The "Whale Oil Myth" oberliner Jun 2018 #16
Kerosene and whale oil lamps are both obsolete for home lighting Kaleva Jun 2018 #17
Small dairy farms are thriving in Canada oberliner Jun 2018 #18
And small dairy goat farms are doing well in Oman. Kaleva Jun 2018 #19
Canada is more similar to the US than Oman oberliner Jun 2018 #21
To regulate supply of milk in the US as done in Canada, we have to reduce the number of farmers Kaleva Jun 2018 #20
Or eliminate factory farms oberliner Jun 2018 #22
Moving away from diary all together would have a positive impact on the enviroment Kaleva Jun 2018 #23
humans have zero need for cow milk. it's a luxury. maybe better marketing will help nt msongs Jun 2018 #10
So what happens to the US dairy industry? oberliner Jun 2018 #12
What's the percentage of working population involved? leftstreet Jun 2018 #24

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
1. This is a national tragedy. Small farms were always the backbone of the country...
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:29 PM
Jun 2018

...I know, because I spent much of my childhood living on one. It couldn't survive, and eventually went the way of all the other small farms in New England--converted into housing... … America will always have wilderness. But we've lost our thriving countryside. I wonder what goes thru the head of some people, when they hear the words, "the United States of America". Does it bring up any actual concrete images, or do they simply think vaguely of "markets" and "free enterprise"? Oh well...the death of dairy farms makes the animal rights people happy, I suppose...

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
2. Wait a minute..
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:30 PM
Jun 2018

Half the adults unemployed? That sounds like reality around here as well. But apparently our eyes are lying to us bc the PAPER and dt sy unemployment is at..."Historic lows." This lie has been foisted on the American people since about 1999. President Clinton gave us the last big economic boom. President Obama revived a crisis economy so we all didn't die, but the gop keeps telling us it's our perception that jobs are gone. Who's lying?
huh.
Additionally, it's not just farmers who can't keep their barns up. Homeowners can't keep the average house up either. ESPECIALLY with ever increasing weather patterns of rain, high winds, high temps. extreme low temps. and on and on. We feel ya.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. What is the solution? My granddad was a small dairy farmer, but he sold out in 60s as he
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:40 PM
Jun 2018

got too old to farm. He got nothing for his farm because no one wanted a dairy farm at the time. Loved that place and the idea of a small farm, but times change. It's depressing sometimes.

a kennedy

(29,661 posts)
5. Hope that the organic farm will rise to save the corporate farm......
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:43 PM
Jun 2018

ah, that isn’t going to happen, but if the small farm can just make a dent....... Is it to late??

a kennedy

(29,661 posts)
8. Damn......I'm part of the problem then.......
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:46 PM
Jun 2018

quit milk......but may-be if I start with skim again??

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
25. Depends on how "rural" is my bet
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:11 PM
Jun 2018

Grow small and locally, sell locally, and it would have an impact.

I reminds me of a door to door salesman who visited a couple of years ago trying to get us to buy local milk. It was sort of a coop deal. You buy into the coop, and they loan you a cooler that sits outside your front door. You choose what products you want each week, and the delivery van drops them off in the cooler. I didn't go for it, but I did like the samples of chocolate and strawberry milk he left me. To this day, I wonder just how well they are doing. I don't see them anymore, so I fear the worst.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
9. We have too many diary farmers producing too much milk
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 06:55 PM
Jun 2018

"Mark Stephenson: Milk production. It is too strong, and there’s too much dairy product in inventory, especially milk proteins. As long as we continue to maintain or grow milk supplies faster than demand for dairy products, milk prices will remain relatively low."

https://www.dairyherd.com/article/prolonged-milk-price-pressure-2018

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Yes, and the demand keeps going down
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:01 PM
Jun 2018

And that trend will probably continue. So what's the solution?

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
13. The solution is already happening
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:22 PM
Jun 2018

Dairy farms are going out of business. This will continue till supply matches demand.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. That's not really a "solution" per se, more of a consequence
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:23 PM
Jun 2018

People no longer being able to support themselves and having to shutter family businesses that go back generations is not really a solution. It is making rural poverty, and all the horrors that go with it, even worse.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
15. Same thing happened with the home ice delivery and whale lamp oil businesses
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jun 2018

Dairy farms around where I live have been gone for decades. People adapted.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. The "Whale Oil Myth"
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 07:39 PM
Jun 2018
This post is hopelessly long-winded, and not even prompted by a viewer question, but by a criticism I stumbled upon while scouring the Internet. As I searched for something economist Lester Lave had said about oil prices in one of our stories, I happened on a link entitled Whale Oil Myth. I caught the implication at once: Lave had mentioned whale oil scarcity in the mid-1800s as a catalyst for the modern petroleum industry, something I myself thought I’d learned long ago – a staple of my understanding, in fact.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/this-post-is-hopelessly-long-w


Kind of an interesting article. The implication being that subsidies and government intervention was actual responsible for the shift towards kerosene, not natural market factors.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
17. Kerosene and whale oil lamps are both obsolete for home lighting
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:32 PM
Jun 2018

Small dairy farms are also an obsolete business model.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. Small dairy farms are thriving in Canada
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:34 PM
Jun 2018
As Vermont's Milk Industry Continues To Free-Fall, Canadian Dairies Are Thriving

While Vermont dairy farmers are experiencing some of the hardest times in recent memory, their counterparts in Quebec are thriving. The reason is a complex system that regulates the supply of milk and sets the price that farmers receive.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/04/06/599434624/as-vermonts-milk-industry-continues-to-free-fall-canadian-dairies-are-thriving
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
21. Canada is more similar to the US than Oman
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:43 PM
Jun 2018

They have been able to put structures in place to maintain their dairy industry. The US could do something similar if it wanted to go down that road. We certainly do it with other industries.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
20. To regulate supply of milk in the US as done in Canada, we have to reduce the number of farmers
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:42 PM
Jun 2018

So that supply would match demand

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
23. Moving away from diary all together would have a positive impact on the enviroment
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:02 PM
Jun 2018

Methane from cattle is a major contributor to climate change and run off contaminated with cattle waste pollutes our water supplies.

I grew up on a small dairy farm and worked as a teenager at a nearby larger one. Even then, back in the 70's, I could see that there w asss little future for the small dairy farms. The local creameries and cheese plants had all closed by then. My father was the last dairy farmer in the area and he retired by the late 90s.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
24. What's the percentage of working population involved?
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:05 PM
Jun 2018

I mean, I have no idea

I'd assume it's been shrinking over the years as demand shrinks

Obviously it wouldn't have the impact of, say, closing all public schools tomorrow and putting thousands and thousands out of work

Are there any state or federal retraining, employment transition programs dairy industry people can access?

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