Tulsi Gabbard weighs in on DT's summit with Kim Jong Un.

[ehrnst]

Link to tweet

Diplomacy can be the difference between war and peace. Which is why it’s so important that we be willing to meet with anyone, even those who are not our friends, to further the cause of peace. There’s a lot more work to do. #NorthKoreaSummit
https://aloha.votetulsi.com/page/s/north-korea

As if this summit delivered anything towards peace, and clearly her North Korea resolution / email harvesting petition had SUCH an effect on Trump, who showered praise on the despot.

[MrsCoffee]

1. Of course she does.

[KPN]

2. Tulsi's turn in the bash pit.

[Demsrule86]

4. She put herself there...don't like her.

[ehrnst]

6. Posting her own tweet is bashing her?

Or was it pointing out that her "resolution" harvests emails, and didn't have an effect on the outcome of the summit?

Nice dog whistle, BTW.

[BannonsLiver]

7. And well deserved. As usual.

[Me.]

3. "Diplomacy can be the difference between war and peace"

Really?

[ehrnst]

8. Her statements might have been applicable if she had posted this about the G7 meeting.

[Me.]

16. I Don't Think She Swings In That Direction Much

There was her visit to Assad and....

“Russia has lots of experience in media censorship. So perhaps it is logical that Rep Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI-2) hires an agent of the Russian government as a ‘consultant’ to keep Hawaii media under control.

But Gabbard’s consultant, Chris Cooper of the Potomac Square Group, is no ordinary Russian agent. Cooper is allegedly one of seven identified as being at the center of illegal Russian lobbying efforts reaching into the Trump campaign and Congress”

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20879/Tulsi-Gabbard-Hires-Russian-Agent-to-Keep-Hawaii-Media-in-Check.aspx

[tikka]

5. As though anyone cares what she thinks eom

[Autumn]

9. President Obama said much the same thing and was torn into by

Republicans. Sometimes people are right.

[ehrnst]

10. So, why didn't Obama tweet this himself about this summit? He could have.

And when did he encourage the fawning, flattering and rolling over for a dictator that we have seen with DOTUS, after little to no preparation from the state department, and after this DOTUS had trashed any diplomatic attempts by our G7 allies?

[Autumn]

12. Around 2007 he said was willing to meet with NK for talks

to bridge gaps between our countries, if I remember correctly he included Iran also. Everybody lost their shit over it.

[ehrnst]

13. That was different, and not anything like what Gabard is doing, in the context of this DOTUS

who had just trashed the G7, and did everything but wipe Kim Jong Un's butt.

He was not implying that an unprepared, hostile, incompetent POTUS should be rolling over for a despot. That's not diplomacy.

You think that is what Obama was talking about?

If indeed it was the same thing, then why did we not see this in a tweet from Obama?

This is the type of diplomacy he was talking about:

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/major-powers-continue-disagree-g20-summit-over-syria-1303307091

[Autumn]

14. Where did I say Obama fawned,flattered or rolled over for a dictator?

I said that nowhere, I said that he was willing to use diplomacy and meet with our enemies. You may think that was a bad thing like the Republicans did but I think it was very smart of Obama to recognize diplomacy works and he was willing to try it.

And I don't see any of what you are reaching for in the tweet in the OP either.

[ehrnst]

15. You didn't. You compared Tulsi's statement about Trump's "diplomacy"

to Obama's statement about his own diplomatic strategy.

To be encouraging of a sociopath with dementia's "diplomatic efforts" is quite different than what Obama was encouraging.

As I pointed out, have you heard any encouragment or hope from Obama that this will turn out well? Because that would indicate that Obama was talking about the same thing, wouldn't it?

Did you ever hear Obama praise Denis Rodman's "diplomatic attempts?"

Actually, his response was quite different than Tulsi's to DT:

“I said that with Obama, and Obama just pretty much just blew me off, and thought that I was a laughingstock, that I didn’t know what I was doing.”

https://www.thewrap.com/dennis-rodman-slams-obama-missed-opportunity-north-koreas-kim-jong-un/



What sort of gnashing of teeth would have met news of Pelosi or Schumer saying this?

Is that clearer?

[Autumn]

17. The problem is you see what you want someone to say,not what was said.

I agree that Diplomacy can be the difference between war and peace. and that it’s important that we be willing to meet with anyone, even our enemies to further the cause of peace. Any thinking person should believe that.

Obama did and he was also trashed for it, by Republicans. You obviously think differently.

I'm not into defending what I never said or whatever it is you want to pretend was said in your mind. And I won't play the moving post game. Is that clear?

The tweet from the OP

Diplomacy can be the difference between war and peace. Which is why it’s so important that we be willing to meet with anyone, even those who are not our friends, to further the cause of peace.

My post

President Obama said much the same thing and was torn into by
Republicans. Sometimes people are right.

[ehrnst]

19. Obama's actual response to someone with no diplomatic skills going to NK was

according to Dennis Rodman,

My post:

“I said that with Obama, and Obama just pretty much just blew me off, and thought that I was a laughingstock, that I didn’t know what I was doing.”

https://www.thewrap.com/dennis-rodman-slams-obama-missed-opportunity-north-koreas-kim-jong-un/

So no, Obama did not support encouraging unqualified people attempting "diplomacy" with despots. Clearly that is not interchangeable with saying "Diplomacy can be the difference between war and peace," and any thinking person should understand that. Any thinking person should not be trying to normalize Russian puppet DT's disastrous stabs at diplomacy because he is the opposite of a diplomat and worse than no diplomatic attempt with NK at all. Lord knows if the Democratic leadership said that "it was a good start" they would be savaged by those that would say it was the opposite of progressive... and it certainly helps Putin's cause when DT is praised for starting fires with our allies.

And where did I say that Obama was not trashed by the GOP for saying that he supported (qualified) Diplomatic attempts with NK? Did you find a sale on strawmen? Or was that an attempt to move the posts? Hard to tell.

The problem is you see what you want someone to say, not what was said.

[Autumn]

21. Nothing you said has nothing to do with the tweet I responded to.

The tweet said nothing about unqualified people attempting "diplomacy" with despots. That comes from your mind.

Diplomacy can be the difference between war and peace. Which is why it’s so important that we be willing to meet with anyone, even those who are not our friends, to further the cause of peace. There’s a lot more work to do.

Fact. End of story. And she's not the only person in the world who thinks that. Obama thought that too.

Any sane person will agree with that fact, hate them or not. There is no praise for Trump, Rodman or anyone else. Just a simple fact that you very much have a problem with, based on who tweeted it. If you want no conversation about what she said, it certainly clears up why you posted it.

I'm done with you pulling out everything that has nothing to do the tweet as you posted it or what I agreed with. Have a wonderful day.

[ehrnst]

22. Re-read my posts. Maybe it will be clearer the second time your read them.

May I remind you that the post was not about Obama, but you brought that topic into the thread.

I hope you have a wonderful day as you have wished me.

[MGKrebs]

11. As if we haven't been talking to them almost continuously

since about 1985.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron

[Orsino]

18. Which is why it's so important not to send a dumbfuck to important meetings.

Which is why it's so important not to listen to anyone trying to normalize this behavior.

[Bettie]

20. She's wrong

Meeting could be good in the right circumstances. Obama would have met if the right circumstances were present, W would have met in the right circumstances, Clinton would have as well.

Meeting without any preconditions or documentation? Not good at all. Not smart.

[ehrnst]

23. +1000 (nt)

[rockfordfile]

24. She is a trump supporter. trump is un-American.