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Doctors/nurses allowed into three infant and toddler facilities in Texas described HUNDREDS OF BABIE (Original Post) Wwcd Jun 2018 OP
No. No. No. awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #1
Hundreds left alone in their cages. No human touch! Wwcd Jun 2018 #11
Agree. Well said. awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #17
This is absolutely evil malaise Jun 2018 #51
I hope someone was brave enough to document with video and pics RestoreAmerica2020 Jun 2018 #81
I don't believe.... SergeStorms Jun 2018 #129
Ghastly is a very good word for it. calimary Jun 2018 #134
How long are supposely decent people going to tolerate this? olegramps Jun 2018 #75
Cruelty beyond measure. Do they even know who these babies are? brush Jun 2018 #130
I can only hope snowybirdie Jun 2018 #2
They're torturing these poor babies. Cha Jun 2018 #3
Staff "not allowed to touch them, hold them, pick them up, or comfort them" hedda_foil Jun 2018 #4
That actually has nothing to do with the administration. cab67 Jun 2018 #13
Are you actually saying that foster parents aren't allowed to touch the children they foster???? hedda_foil Jun 2018 #24
Under some circumstances, they are not. cab67 Jun 2018 #67
Other than children who have been abused so badly that they are triggered by anyone's touch, hedda_foil Jun 2018 #99
Like I said, it depends on circumstances. cab67 Jun 2018 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2018 #133
Then they need women caretakers. Duppers Jun 2018 #42
My wife worked at the Boys and Girls Club for many years. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2018 #48
It was quite different for my girls when they were at Boys & Girls Club here in CA, the staff iluvtennis Jun 2018 #55
policies exist like that because of lawyers Mosby Jun 2018 #100
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind. Pacifist Patriot Jun 2018 #57
BS...BS....BS.... asiliveandbreathe Jun 2018 #58
Not BS cab67 Jun 2018 #66
Can you point us towards the specific policy LanternWaste Jun 2018 #74
I'm not a foster parent. cab67 Jun 2018 #87
your allegation is inaccurate LanternWaste Jun 2018 #73
Then TX policy differs from AZ policy. cab67 Jun 2018 #91
Wow. JanosMDK Jun 2018 #124
I heard that said by someone treestar Jun 2018 #41
As a former attendant in medical facilities in the 1970s skip fox Jun 2018 #94
Horrific. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2018 #5
Children are going to die. forgotmylogin Jun 2018 #19
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jun 2018 #6
Where's the justice for these children and their families duforsure Jun 2018 #7
Yes. And minute by minute, hour by hour, days becomes a week and Wwcd Jun 2018 #20
Tears. Gut wrenching. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #8
I can't imagine the anguish if you were a parent of one of these babies & read this. CrispyQ Jun 2018 #9
Holy Mother of God. bronxiteforever Jun 2018 #10
Beyond 1984 doublespeak - "caring for tender aged children" babies in cages in concentration camps AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2018 #12
I want to know who coined the phrase "Tender Aged Children" Wwcd Jun 2018 #30
Little Stevie Goebbels would be a good guess. snort Jun 2018 #44
He even resembles his hero. More every day. Wwcd Jun 2018 #53
Gack! snort Jun 2018 #56
Hate has a way of morphing into human form Wwcd Jun 2018 #63
LOCK HIM UP Sugarcoated Jun 2018 #115
Creeper! He is a reincarnation of Goebbels Wwcd Jun 2018 #116
The resemblance is amazing. Even the ears. montana_hazeleyes Jun 2018 #123
it's disgusting: a really creepy pedo ring to it. n/t Locrian Jun 2018 #106
Yes! That's what I relate it to. With a creep factor of some Wwcd Jun 2018 #107
exactly - subconscious slip with these people - n/t Locrian Jun 2018 #108
Yup. They do send out cryptic slips when you listen to their words Wwcd Jun 2018 #111
no wonder Rachel broke down trying to read this. niyad Jun 2018 #14
This is a Hague-level international crime. cab67 Jun 2018 #15
Yes it is. I just wish they or someone would hurry up! Wwcd Jun 2018 #32
I've been thinking the same thing Bayard Jun 2018 #50
America, 2018 Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #16
Germany 1938... Javaman Jun 2018 #65
This is what happens in Russian orphanages! Chalco Jun 2018 #18
I believe it and was just posting about this horror and cruelty appalachiablue Jun 2018 #23
That early lack of response to cries destroys ability to communicate, interact is V IMPORTANT bobbieinok Jun 2018 #27
Romania's dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu Ilsa Jun 2018 #45
Rachel should do a segment on your post. She is very good with Wwcd Jun 2018 #68
Perhaps she should wait a bit. Ilsa Jun 2018 #80
True. The burden is a heavy one. Without justice for what he has done the stain will be on America's Wwcd Jun 2018 #84
Too bad we cannot "Ceauseşco" him. nt Ilsa Jun 2018 #88
"I'm still nervous," says soldier who shot Nicolae Ceausescu Wwcd Jun 2018 #93
Thanks, I'll check it out. NT Ilsa Jun 2018 #121
I have always thought that would be a fine idea. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #118
Romanian orphanages were famous for ignoring human contact for the babies and children keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #72
Yes maybe that nightmare in Romania gave Miller ideas lunasun Jun 2018 #127
Friends with a family who adopted a Russian boy. Duppers Jun 2018 #46
My first three years were as an orphan in a Maine orphanage OhNo-Really Jun 2018 #125
I'm heartbroken this happened to you. femmedem Jun 2018 #128
K&R What kind of nation & people commit deliberate cruelty like this? appalachiablue Jun 2018 #21
Can someone provide the actual source for this? Louis1895 Jun 2018 #22
Related video Louis1895 Jun 2018 #29
Thank you Louis 1895 Wwcd Jun 2018 #40
Something I heard - Louis1895 Jun 2018 #60
Yes. That was reported by the whistleblower who appeared on Wwcd Jun 2018 #70
What? Cracklin Charlie Jun 2018 #82
I can't stop crying. whfinlay Jun 2018 #25
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jun 2018 #59
Kick ck4829 Jun 2018 #26
#BabiesInCrisis (R) Achilleaze Jun 2018 #28
Not only the criminals who ordered this should be judged. gordianot Jun 2018 #31
What kind of parent would take these children across the borde in the first place? virgogal Jun 2018 #33
Seriously?! Lars39 Jun 2018 #34
Yes,seriously. virgogal Jun 2018 #36
You lived in relative safety then, Lars39 Jun 2018 #39
You have no concept of life outside the United States? treestar Jun 2018 #43
What if a child or two had been brutally murdered and the rest of you were threatened with death? hedda_foil Jun 2018 #102
Really?????? TNNurse Jun 2018 #38
Holy shit snort Jun 2018 #49
Desparate parents Bettie Jun 2018 #54
This kind, perhaps.... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2018 #71
Here's a link to Shire's whole poem. It's chilling. Dave Starsky Jun 2018 #78
Chilling indeed. I am gonna re-post it. n/t dixiegrrrrl Jun 2018 #92
Please repost it. Dave Starsky Jun 2018 #98
done. Thank you. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2018 #113
That questions answers itself Cosmocat Jun 2018 #86
quite possilby a very good one, wanting the very best for their children. What of assylum seekers JCanete Jun 2018 #89
How dare you obamanut2012 Jun 2018 #90
My mother, she took me across borders multiple times into countries that had no problem responding.. uponit7771 Jun 2018 #96
This is an emergency situation. backtoblue Jun 2018 #35
This is horrible Gothmog Jun 2018 #37
These are "Crimes Against Humanity"!!! Stonepounder Jun 2018 #47
SCOTUS? Four are aghast at what's happening - but five are in some GOP social club, laughing it up sandensea Jun 2018 #64
Fuck!!!!!! Anon-C Jun 2018 #52
Interment at auschwitz would be too good for dotard and his ilk! Thekaspervote Jun 2018 #61
Sheer sadistic evil. dalton99a Jun 2018 #62
Dotard 666's first crime against humanity against innocent babies! workinclasszero Jun 2018 #69
If some of these little babies die Trump will have hell to pay. Lint Head Jun 2018 #76
I want to vomit. LudwigPastorius Jun 2018 #77
Sending hugs and love vibes to the bebes voteearlyvoteoften Jun 2018 #79
If infants are not nurtured they will die. nt Laffy Kat Jun 2018 #83
Horrible...k and r..... Stuart G Jun 2018 #85
This is horrid, this is some evil shit ... horrible evil shit uponit7771 Jun 2018 #95
He will burn in hell for this bdamomma Jun 2018 #97
Someone shot up a DC pizza place on the RUMOR KCDebbie Jun 2018 #101
Accusing their opponent of what they themselves are guilty of Wwcd Jun 2018 #105
No wonder that they didn't let the press in TNLib Jun 2018 #103
Agree. He doesn't want the deeper sick & devious criminality of his Wwcd Jun 2018 #109
Trump and his crime gang need the gulag for the rest of their lives blake2012 Jun 2018 #104
If one of those babies dies zentrum Jun 2018 #110
No plan to reunite. Are they taking foot prints? Are tattooed numbers next? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #114
if any of them die their blood will be on the hands of the idiot & his enablers onetexan Jun 2018 #117
Can someone file suit against Trump for this? Kajun Gal Jun 2018 #119
This is disturbing. JanosMDK Jun 2018 #120
Three mornings a week, I take care of my great grandson. HeiressofBickworth Jun 2018 #122
I think it's time for the Gov. to send in the National Guard to bust the doors down. Quixote1818 Jun 2018 #126
This is a crime against humanity. Trump should be removed from office immediately. Nitram Jun 2018 #131
We really don't read history, do we? This has happened before in human history - warehousing Hestia Jun 2018 #132
K & R Wwcd Jun 2018 #135
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
11. Hundreds left alone in their cages. No human touch!
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:16 PM
Jun 2018

Afterwhile you have no more words to describe this ghastly horror you feel.

This is probably the desensitizing phase, similar to the emotional numbing witnessed by the repeated horrors of the Holocost, ISIS, Boko Haram as they steal , smuggle & hold their hostages.

We have to gain the upper hand asap, & stop this desensitization & breaking of the human spirit to where we feel helpless & accept the fate. Not that we approve, but that we stop reacting out of emotional numbing from being presented with one horror after the next.

Thankfully we have strong people working hourly to report & speak & assist any way they can.

Protests, fundraisers for legal fees, Attorney's & watchdogs staying continually vigilant untill no child is left at the mercy of Trump's psychopathy.


RestoreAmerica2020

(3,471 posts)
81. I hope someone was brave enough to document with video and pics
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jun 2018

..so that the world can know that trumpf, sessions go p are guilty of crimes against humanity, the abuse and torture of children. We will not forget this!

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
129. I don't believe....
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 02:41 AM
Jun 2018

anyone is allowed to bring recording devices of any sort into the detention camps. The scumbags who perpetrated this morally reprehensible clusterfuck don't want any hard evidence to be gathered. Same with the Nazis in WWII, but they screwed up. Let's hope some of the detention camp guards do the same.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
134. Ghastly is a very good word for it.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:05 AM
Jun 2018

These precious innocents are being ruined. Through no fault of their own. At the very dawn of their lives.

This monster is rapidly turning America into a pariah nation. “America First” alright. “America First Down the Drain”.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
75. How long are supposely decent people going to tolerate this?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jun 2018

Sorry, I too damn old to make the trip. But when are people going to storm these damn child concentration camps and take control. Is suggesting that too radical? Are people going to look the other way as the did in German as their neighbors who had lived with them for years were hauled off and murdered?

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
130. Cruelty beyond measure. Do they even know who these babies are?
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:30 AM
Jun 2018

What their names are?

Who their parents are?

Where their parents are?

How they will be reunited with their parents?

It's a Kafkaesque nightmare for the babies andparents, a Kafkaesque nightmare for the country, and when you think about, a totally logical extrapolation of the chaos that trump engenders.

snowybirdie

(6,686 posts)
2. I can only hope
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:53 AM
Jun 2018

this is not real. There's no attribution. But, Where are patriots working on these places willing to smuggle pictures to msm? We need verification and then have local law enforcement storm the place and rescue these precious children

Cha

(319,067 posts)
3. They're torturing these poor babies.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:53 AM
Jun 2018

This is all on trump and his vicious doormats.

hedda_foil

(16,985 posts)
4. Staff "not allowed to touch them, hold them, pick them up, or comfort them"
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:54 AM
Jun 2018

I can't breathe.

cab67

(3,749 posts)
13. That actually has nothing to do with the administration.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:19 PM
Jun 2018

My wife is a licensed foster parent. This is a common policy around the country - it's intended to prevent inappropriate touching.

In my opinion, it's like trying to remove a splinter with a chainsaw.

hedda_foil

(16,985 posts)
24. Are you actually saying that foster parents aren't allowed to touch the children they foster????
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:34 PM
Jun 2018

hedda_foil

(16,985 posts)
99. Other than children who have been abused so badly that they are triggered by anyone's touch,
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jun 2018

I can't imagine a circumstance in which a child is refused the human touch. That goes counter to both the scientific research and our inherent human needs.

cab67

(3,749 posts)
112. Like I said, it depends on circumstances.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jun 2018

It would be impossible to ban ALL physical contact (e.g. the diaper changing example I gave below), but in some cases, caregivers are given very strict limits on how much contact they can have.

And yes - it goes against pretty much everything we know about developmental psychology.

Response to hedda_foil (Reply #24)

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
48. My wife worked at the Boys and Girls Club for many years.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jun 2018

It is as supportive of families and children as any organization you can name. Yet, their policy had to be - "Touch a child, no matter how well-intentioned or comforting the touch is - and it's immediate dismissal."

In that moment, someone walks that person out of the building, and another employee cleans out their desk, if any, and gathers their personal effects.

If it is deemed necessary, stopping violence is an exception, obviously.

iluvtennis

(21,497 posts)
55. It was quite different for my girls when they were at Boys & Girls Club here in CA, the staff
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:08 PM
Jun 2018

routinely gave them hello and goodbye hugs and hugs/high fives for doing good stuff.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
100. policies exist like that because of lawyers
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:10 PM
Jun 2018

I worked for the state of arizona for a while, we touched kids every day. This was a secure care facility with kids as young as 9.

Eta the real issue was how some boys liked a little too much contact with the female staff.

Pacifist Patriot

(25,212 posts)
57. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:09 PM
Jun 2018

Give me the low risk of inappropriate touching over the guarantee of attachment disorder any day. Kids need contact and nurturing. Breaks my heart.

cab67

(3,749 posts)
66. Not BS
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:23 PM
Jun 2018

I’m not defending the policy. I think it’s in humane. But there were circumstances when my wife was unable to console a foster child. Yhat’s How it is.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
74. Can you point us towards the specific policy
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:35 PM
Jun 2018

Can you point us towards the specific policy written to support your allegation?

cab67

(3,749 posts)
87. I'm not a foster parent.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:26 PM
Jun 2018

My wife is. She would have access to the policies; I'll ask later this afternoon when we're together.

I'm not saying foster parents can never touch a child. It's impossible to change a diaper otherwise, for example. And they may vary from state to state; my wife was only certified in one state. But levels of touching are regulated depending on circumstances, and they're a lot tighter in group homes and shelters than they are in the context of a foster family home. That's why I'm not surprised by the no-touch policy at the Trump Hotels along the southern border; it's horrid, but it's not unique to this circumstance.

I should add: you're right to doubt what I said. I was very skeptical when my wife told me about these policies. They sound not just wrong, but outlandishly so. But they nonetheless exist.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
73. your allegation is inaccurate
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jun 2018

I was a caseworker for TX CPS for seven years, and your allegation is inaccurate. At least by TX state policy.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. I heard that said by someone
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jun 2018

on a video and wondered what the heck is the rationale behind that?

skip fox

(19,502 posts)
94. As a former attendant in medical facilities in the 1970s
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:50 PM
Jun 2018

I realized how important touching can be even with adults. Often a hand on someone's shoulder and a will ear would defuse a problem or agitation or depression. I understand why that changed, but for the 95% of us who only touched a patient for human/healing purposes it limited our effectiveness.

For a child, a touch is worth a thousand pictures. It's more important than language, food, or a teddy bear.

forgotmylogin

(7,952 posts)
19. Children are going to die.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:28 PM
Jun 2018

I am aghast to think this, but be ready. It's going to happen.

Children fall all the time, though usually not unattended while imprisoned in an enclosure with a concrete floor.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
7. Where's the justice for these children and their families
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:03 PM
Jun 2018

From intentionally and permanently being damaged for life from a president abusing his powers to commit the crime of child abuse on them? Why isn't the president now having consequences for it, or is this another above the rule of law moment we'll have to accept from this criminal. Allowing him now to go scott free for this is not acceptable, and no one should let him off the hook anymore, or he'll continue, and it'll get a lot worse. Republicans allowing him to not be charged and held accountable shouldn't be in our government if they back criminals over children being abused.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
20. Yes. And minute by minute, hour by hour, days becomes a week and
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:28 PM
Jun 2018

Congress will present a variety of bills, argue their points, stop for the weekend, resume days later to finally make changes & eventually vote on a bill, and somday in the next month it may make its way to Trump's desk & there's no guarantee he'll sign it.

Then the tedious stalled process begins again.


Meanwhile,.. the physical & psychological damage to babies, children & families deepens, minute to hour to days & weeks..
Not to mention, the damage to us all

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
8. Tears. Gut wrenching.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:05 PM
Jun 2018

Even if they were allowed to hold them, there probably aren't enough workers to do it.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
9. I can't imagine the anguish if you were a parent of one of these babies & read this.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jun 2018

I've not felt this much heartache since my mother died.

AnotherMother4Peace

(5,125 posts)
12. Beyond 1984 doublespeak - "caring for tender aged children" babies in cages in concentration camps
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:17 PM
Jun 2018
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
30. I want to know who coined the phrase "Tender Aged Children"
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jun 2018

Was it decided in a late night White House think tank when the Press came demanding answers?

How long did it take to come up with a name that sounded caring & touching to ease the horror behind the locked doors?

"Tender Aged Children". They dropped the babies in a big room, absent of caregivers & equipment necessary to meet even basic needs , and gave it a comforting sounding label for the public ears rather than tell the truth.

I want to know which of Trump's NAZIS came up with the phrase when they needed to con the world into buying their LIE.

"Tender Aged Children"
That label makes me cringe




snort

(2,334 posts)
44. Little Stevie Goebbels would be a good guess.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:55 PM
Jun 2018

He deserves the same fate as his hero.

snort

(2,334 posts)
56. Gack!
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:08 PM
Jun 2018

Nazis make my skin crawl and yet they have oh so punchable faces. What's their secret?

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
116. Creeper! He is a reincarnation of Goebbels
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 06:07 PM
Jun 2018

Hope someday he is granted the remainder of his sorry useless life in prison

Locrian

(4,523 posts)
106. it's disgusting: a really creepy pedo ring to it. n/t
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:35 PM
Jun 2018

a really creepy pedo ring to it....

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
107. Yes! That's what I relate it to. With a creep factor of some
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:42 PM
Jun 2018

fake religious exploitation to it also.

Like the way some patriarchial fringe church orgs control their women & children.

"Tender Age"
Sounds like something the Duggers would call it.
That kind of creepy, ya know!

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
111. Yup. They do send out cryptic slips when you listen to their words
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jun 2018

For instance, notice how we're suddenly hearing the reason for "Zero Tolerance"is because the people bring kids across the border are "smuggling children" & "human traffickers".

Suddenly those words are thrown out, now that Trump's mob business needs a cover.

Its someone else that is smuggling & trafficking children.
Trump is merely keeping this from happening, they'd like us to believe.

It is the same way they projected their own pedo business onto Clinton via the Pizzagate fiasco.

Now it's someone else smuggling children..but certainly not him!

We've seen this a million times.


 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
32. Yes it is. I just wish they or someone would hurry up!
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:44 PM
Jun 2018

Yes it is a Hague-level international crime.

Bayard

(29,683 posts)
50. I've been thinking the same thing
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jun 2018

Crimes against humanity. Here's hoping they nab him the next time he leaves to grandstand in another country.

Chalco

(1,439 posts)
18. This is what happens in Russian orphanages!
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:27 PM
Jun 2018

The long term effects are horrific.

As a child psychologist, I have worked with children who parents
adopted from Russia who ended up with severe neuropsychological
issues including the inability to connect socially, mental disabilities,
etc. This is no joke.

When a baby is not attended to. they lose the ability to relate because
no one responds to what they are trying to communicate. They have
their ways of asking for comfort, food, water, etc. If no one is reading and
responding to their cues, they lose the ability to communicate.

appalachiablue

(44,022 posts)
23. I believe it and was just posting about this horror and cruelty
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:33 PM
Jun 2018

towards children that will cause lasting harm. Such inhumanity in this wealthiest country, 21st century.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
27. That early lack of response to cries destroys ability to communicate, interact is V IMPORTANT
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jun 2018

This info should be repeated hourly in media. Ask Lawrence, Hayes, Maddow to emphasize and repeat.

This is a specific, disasterous, documented result of Trump policy. Might open eyes of some who think whole concern is a bit of hysterical hyperbole.

Ilsa

(64,368 posts)
45. Romania's dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:56 PM
Jun 2018

was keeping "undesirable" babies warehoused in the 1980s or early 90s until he and his wife were executed.

The kids were extremely psychologically damaged.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
68. Rachel should do a segment on your post. She is very good with
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:24 PM
Jun 2018

educating her millions of viewers as to history lessons we should all know of.

Ilsa

(64,368 posts)
80. Perhaps she should wait a bit.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:51 PM
Jun 2018

All of this has been so traumatic for her and us.

Although, at least she has a staff to help her carry the burden of research and explaining it to the public.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
84. True. The burden is a heavy one. Without justice for what he has done the stain will be on America's
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:07 PM
Jun 2018

shoulders to bear.
That we did nothing to, at minimum, hold those accountable in the harshest way.

His sudden reversal & a simple signing of an EO, does not absolve him of the crime.

He STILL has to face the consequences of what he has done.

The reversal doesn't make the rest ok.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
93. "I'm still nervous," says soldier who shot Nicolae Ceausescu
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jun 2018
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/07/nicolae-ceausescu-execution-anniversary-romania

"I’m still nervous," says soldier who shot Nicolae Ceausescu
Paratrooper Ionel Boyeru volunteered for a mystery mission, only to discover it was the execution of the Romanian dictator

Sat 6 Dec 2014

This is quite the Read.



 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
118. I have always thought that would be a fine idea.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:09 PM
Jun 2018

If anyone deserves it, he does. I would feel no pity.

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
46. Friends with a family who adopted a Russian boy.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jun 2018

Major behavior and relationships problems. I feel sorry for all of them.

OhNo-Really

(3,996 posts)
125. My first three years were as an orphan in a Maine orphanage
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:10 PM
Jun 2018

My birth mother left me at an orphanage when I was 8 months old.

Then a foster child about to be adopted at age five when my foster "daddy" died. I can still see him in the coffin in the living room.

The Catholic social services wouldn't let my "mommy" keep me so, thank God, the mailman and his wife adopted me.

I know what early childhood trauma and distruption do.

I'm 70 now, a total recluse. It was a tumultuois life.

I did amuse myself this afternoon contemplating a TRIGGER/PTSD class action suit let by Avanetti against the Trump administration.

My PTSD is raging. I am feeling ALL the childhood pain every time I see these abandoned children.

These really young kids are wondering "What did I do wrong? Am I too ugly? Why doesn't anyone want me? Why did mom and/or dad leave me?

They cannot process what is happening. And no one can hold and comfort them?

I pray to God He retaliates.

Thanks for listening.

femmedem

(8,561 posts)
128. I'm heartbroken this happened to you.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 12:49 AM
Jun 2018

Thank you for sharing your story. Your voice and your experience are so important.

appalachiablue

(44,022 posts)
21. K&R What kind of nation & people commit deliberate cruelty like this?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jun 2018

Despicable & tragic, many of the young will incur physical & developmental problems as a result of neglect & separation.

Louis1895

(779 posts)
22. Can someone provide the actual source for this?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jun 2018

I do not see from where this statement is originating.

Louis1895

(779 posts)
29. Related video
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jun 2018
https://www.facebook.com/CBSThisMorning/videos/1790340924352905/

Dr. Colleen Kraft , current president of The American Academy of Pediatrics, visited a Texas facility for children aged 12 and under after her colleagues told her she needed to see what was happening.
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
40. Thank you Louis 1895
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:52 PM
Jun 2018

There's this also:
Southwest Key Has to be Investigated & held accountable.


Louis1895

(779 posts)
60. Something I heard -
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jun 2018

I think it was on TV: Southwest Key had their unaccompanied minors (the ones that came alone) call their family members in their home country and encourage their siblings to come to the US. The children were to tell their siblings that they should be asked to be put in a Southwest Key facility because they were so nice.

I have tried to find this news item but have not yet been able to find it.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
70. Yes. That was reported by the whistleblower who appeared on
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:29 PM
Jun 2018

Chris Hayes show.
One of the 1st ones to bust open this horror story following Sen Merkley.

This courageous man
https://www.pluralist.com/posts/1178-worker-at-migrant-kids-shelter-quits-after-being-told-to-enforce-no-hugs-rule

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
82. What?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jun 2018

Many more questions about this comment.

Were the kids being called from a particular area?
Of a particular age/gender?
How were they to get to that shelter? Would their travel be expedited?
Just what are they planning for these children?

Last question...where in the hell are the people that were gifted these detention centers to run on Trump’s behalf? The Trump Hotel managers? Why is NO ONE answering for this tragedy?

Citizen journalists?

gordianot

(15,772 posts)
31. Not only the criminals who ordered this should be judged.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:43 PM
Jun 2018

Those who follow orders and work in these chambers of horrors are complicit.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
33. What kind of parent would take these children across the borde in the first place?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jun 2018
 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
36. Yes,seriously.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:50 PM
Jun 2018

I had six kids and would never have attempted anything like this when they were babies.

Lars39

(26,540 posts)
39. You lived in relative safety then,
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:51 PM
Jun 2018

with no one threatening their lives, and with a police dept that took threats like that seriously.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
43. You have no concept of life outside the United States?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:55 PM
Jun 2018

There are no conditions possible from which you would flee with a baby?

hedda_foil

(16,985 posts)
102. What if a child or two had been brutally murdered and the rest of you were threatened with death?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:22 PM
Jun 2018

Do you think you might take the risk?

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
54. Desparate parents
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:07 PM
Jun 2018

Seriously? If you felt that your children were in imminent danger, you would just stay put? I wouldn't.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
98. Please repost it.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jun 2018

I first heard her read her poem on Free Speech TV. It was hard to understand her, because she is not a native English speaker. But I did a Google search for her poem, and I wept. If what she wrote doesn't touch someone on a visceral level, then that person doesn't have a soul.

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
86. That questions answers itself
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:15 PM
Jun 2018

Either being killed or a life what is so beyond comprehension that a parent would risk everything like they have ...

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
89. quite possilby a very good one, wanting the very best for their children. What of assylum seekers
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jun 2018

who's lives are in jeopardy? What of poverty and starvation? What would you suggest as an alternative to people who seem to have no good options at home and are contending with immediate threats?

Are they missing something that you aren't?

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
96. My mother, she took me across borders multiple times into countries that had no problem responding..
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jun 2018

... to our request for entry etc.

backtoblue

(13,197 posts)
35. This is an emergency situation.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:47 PM
Jun 2018

Early childhood development and interaction is crucial to psychological and physical growth.

If true, this is child abuse and neglect. Disgusting and inhumane.





Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
47. These are "Crimes Against Humanity"!!!
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jun 2018

The World Court needs to hand down indictments and spread the word far and wide that none of these monsters currently carrying out the "Policy" of the Anti-Christ in the White House had better never leave the confines of the US or they will be arrested, tried, convicted, and either imprisoned for life or executed.

And where is SCOTUS?? This is cruel and unusual punishment!

sandensea

(23,342 posts)
64. SCOTUS? Four are aghast at what's happening - but five are in some GOP social club, laughing it up
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jun 2018

Rethugs are very good at covering their bases; they took care to steal control of the bench, and thus assure the Supremes wouldn't interfere.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
69. Dotard 666's first crime against humanity against innocent babies!
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jun 2018

Hell will have to enlarge to contain Trump's rotten soul!

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
97. He will burn in hell for this
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jun 2018

Trump/Sessions/Repigs/Miller/Bannon/Kelly need to be frog marched out of the WH.

Stories like this are not going to stop.

These are crimes against humanity, take them in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is America 2018.

 

KCDebbie

(664 posts)
101. Someone shot up a DC pizza place on the RUMOR
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:13 PM
Jun 2018

that Sec Clinton was running a child sex ring in the basement!!!!

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
105. Accusing their opponent of what they themselves are guilty of
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:35 PM
Jun 2018

They knew well before the Primaries what their self-enriching mission was. Child trafficking is a big business around the globe.
Donal Trump, protected by then FBI head Giuliani for many years has been in the business of moving kids thru Companies (Modeling) & "shelters" (SW Key to in NY?) and on to clients abroad.

This is just one part of the global crime syndicate's business of money laundering, weapons, drug & human trafficking & murder.

There's a big picture coming into view as Trump used the Presidential power to run his criminal enterprise out of the White House.
The only thing he needed were kids to traffic
Art of the Deal, he calls his scam on this country.

I hope to see it busted wide open.
Too much is now out in the open.
"Adoptions" Jared & Don jr called it as they huddled with the Russian moffia that day in Trump Tower.

This is what I see going on.
My opinion of this big emerging picture.

And a quick fix by an Ex Order today won't make his crimes disappear.




TNLib

(1,819 posts)
103. No wonder that they didn't let the press in
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:29 PM
Jun 2018

imagine if Americans and the world got to see those images.

I think this is why Trump changed his tone if these images get out he's toast.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
109. Agree. He doesn't want the deeper sick & devious criminality of his
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jun 2018

global child trafficking business to be uncovered.

At this point, he cannot stop the truth from being found out.

 

blake2012

(1,294 posts)
104. Trump and his crime gang need the gulag for the rest of their lives
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:34 PM
Jun 2018

Also, get the piano wire ready for complete degenerates like Miller.

zentrum

(9,870 posts)
110. If one of those babies dies
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jun 2018

….from any number of causes in such a situation, you can bet it will be covered up and the body "disappeared".

ICE and Trump are pure monsters.

 

JanosMDK

(8 posts)
120. This is disturbing.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:30 PM
Jun 2018

Not even nazis - which are the most repugnant thing regarding dehumanization - dared to separate two-months old babies from their parents and put them to sleep on the floor of a cage.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
122. Three mornings a week, I take care of my great grandson.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 09:11 PM
Jun 2018

He just turned five months old. Some mornings he likes to play by himself for a while, but some mornings, he wants to be held and cuddled. I'm there for him. I try to respond to the little signals he gives, like rubbing his face when he's ready for a nap or when he smacks his lips when he's hungry. Some times he sits in my lap and studies my mouth as I talk to him. He wakes up smiling every morning.

I am heartbroken that the children in government custody are being deprived of care, leaving them alone and crying. How can anyone be so fucking heartless. What kind of person resists the urge to comfort a crying baby? A BABY! Helpless little things who have no politics, no opinions, just a basic need for human touch. No matter what one thinks of the actions of the parents, these little ones are perfectly innocent. Why are they being punished? I don't even want to guess the odds of the babies being returned to their right parents.

Quixote1818

(31,155 posts)
126. I think it's time for the Gov. to send in the National Guard to bust the doors down.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:13 PM
Jun 2018

So creepy how they are keeping everyone out.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
132. We really don't read history, do we? This has happened before in human history - warehousing
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:52 AM
Jun 2018

of children with no comfort of any kind. It was this guy who ordered and started it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceausescu

The 1966 decree
In 1966, Ceaușescu, in an attempt to boost the country's population, made abortion illegal and introduced Decree 770 to reverse the low birth rate and fertility rate. Mothers of at least five children would be entitled to significant benefits, while mothers of at least ten children were declared "heroine mothers" by the Romanian state. Few women ever sought this status. Instead, the average Romanian family during the time had two to three children (see Demographics of Romania).[21]

The government targeted rising divorce rates, and made divorce more difficult—it was decreed that a marriage could be dissolved only in exceptional cases. By the late 1960s, the population began to swell. In turn, a new problem was created by child abandonment, which swelled the orphanage population (see Cighid). Transfusions of untested blood led to Romania accounting for many of Europe's pediatric HIV/AIDS cases at the turn of the 21st century despite having a population that only comprises 3% of Europe's population.[22][23]



Kate Blanchett (sp?) is trying to bring light and help to the orphanages in Romania, where children are still warehoused. She was on Christiane Amapour a couple of months ago talking about the organization which is trying to get the children out of orphanages and into homes.

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