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awesomerwb1
(5,103 posts)2 month old babies lying on the floor?
No. No. NO!!!!
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Afterwhile you have no more words to describe this ghastly horror you feel.
This is probably the desensitizing phase, similar to the emotional numbing witnessed by the repeated horrors of the Holocost, ISIS, Boko Haram as they steal , smuggle & hold their hostages.
We have to gain the upper hand asap, & stop this desensitization & breaking of the human spirit to where we feel helpless & accept the fate. Not that we approve, but that we stop reacting out of emotional numbing from being presented with one horror after the next.
Thankfully we have strong people working hourly to report & speak & assist any way they can.
Protests, fundraisers for legal fees, Attorney's & watchdogs staying continually vigilant untill no child is left at the mercy of Trump's psychopathy.
awesomerwb1
(5,103 posts)Get angry. Get involved.
Vote and bring friends. 11/2018
malaise
(296,098 posts)These are racist scumbags
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,471 posts)..so that the world can know that trumpf, sessions go p are guilty of crimes against humanity, the abuse and torture of children. We will not forget this!
SergeStorms
(20,591 posts)anyone is allowed to bring recording devices of any sort into the detention camps. The scumbags who perpetrated this morally reprehensible clusterfuck don't want any hard evidence to be gathered. Same with the Nazis in WWII, but they screwed up. Let's hope some of the detention camp guards do the same.
calimary
(90,017 posts)These precious innocents are being ruined. Through no fault of their own. At the very dawn of their lives.
This monster is rapidly turning America into a pariah nation. America First alright. America First Down the Drain.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Sorry, I too damn old to make the trip. But when are people going to storm these damn child concentration camps and take control. Is suggesting that too radical? Are people going to look the other way as the did in German as their neighbors who had lived with them for years were hauled off and murdered?
brush
(61,033 posts)What their names are?
Who their parents are?
Where their parents are?
How they will be reunited with their parents?
It's a Kafkaesque nightmare for the babies andparents, a Kafkaesque nightmare for the country, and when you think about, a totally logical extrapolation of the chaos that trump engenders.
snowybirdie
(6,686 posts)this is not real. There's no attribution. But, Where are patriots working on these places willing to smuggle pictures to msm? We need verification and then have local law enforcement storm the place and rescue these precious children
Cha
(319,067 posts)This is all on trump and his vicious doormats.
hedda_foil
(16,985 posts)I can't breathe.
cab67
(3,749 posts)My wife is a licensed foster parent. This is a common policy around the country - it's intended to prevent inappropriate touching.
In my opinion, it's like trying to remove a splinter with a chainsaw.
hedda_foil
(16,985 posts)cab67
(3,749 posts)hedda_foil
(16,985 posts)I can't imagine a circumstance in which a child is refused the human touch. That goes counter to both the scientific research and our inherent human needs.
cab67
(3,749 posts)It would be impossible to ban ALL physical contact (e.g. the diaper changing example I gave below), but in some cases, caregivers are given very strict limits on how much contact they can have.
And yes - it goes against pretty much everything we know about developmental psychology.
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Duppers
(28,469 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(12,217 posts)It is as supportive of families and children as any organization you can name. Yet, their policy had to be - "Touch a child, no matter how well-intentioned or comforting the touch is - and it's immediate dismissal."
In that moment, someone walks that person out of the building, and another employee cleans out their desk, if any, and gathers their personal effects.
If it is deemed necessary, stopping violence is an exception, obviously.
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)routinely gave them hello and goodbye hugs and hugs/high fives for doing good stuff.
Mosby
(19,491 posts)I worked for the state of arizona for a while, we touched kids every day. This was a secure care facility with kids as young as 9.
Eta the real issue was how some boys liked a little too much contact with the female staff.
Pacifist Patriot
(25,212 posts)Give me the low risk of inappropriate touching over the guarantee of attachment disorder any day. Kids need contact and nurturing. Breaks my heart.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)cab67
(3,749 posts)Im not defending the policy. I think its in humane. But there were circumstances when my wife was unable to console a foster child. Yhats How it is.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Can you point us towards the specific policy written to support your allegation?
cab67
(3,749 posts)My wife is. She would have access to the policies; I'll ask later this afternoon when we're together.
I'm not saying foster parents can never touch a child. It's impossible to change a diaper otherwise, for example. And they may vary from state to state; my wife was only certified in one state. But levels of touching are regulated depending on circumstances, and they're a lot tighter in group homes and shelters than they are in the context of a foster family home. That's why I'm not surprised by the no-touch policy at the Trump Hotels along the southern border; it's horrid, but it's not unique to this circumstance.
I should add: you're right to doubt what I said. I was very skeptical when my wife told me about these policies. They sound not just wrong, but outlandishly so. But they nonetheless exist.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I was a caseworker for TX CPS for seven years, and your allegation is inaccurate. At least by TX state policy.
cab67
(3,749 posts)That's where my wife was licensed.
This "common policy" is quite sick...
treestar
(82,383 posts)on a video and wondered what the heck is the rationale behind that?
skip fox
(19,502 posts)I realized how important touching can be even with adults. Often a hand on someone's shoulder and a will ear would defuse a problem or agitation or depression. I understand why that changed, but for the 95% of us who only touched a patient for human/healing purposes it limited our effectiveness.
For a child, a touch is worth a thousand pictures. It's more important than language, food, or a teddy bear.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,952 posts)I am aghast to think this, but be ready. It's going to happen.
Children fall all the time, though usually not unattended while imprisoned in an enclosure with a concrete floor.
tblue37
(68,436 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)From intentionally and permanently being damaged for life from a president abusing his powers to commit the crime of child abuse on them? Why isn't the president now having consequences for it, or is this another above the rule of law moment we'll have to accept from this criminal. Allowing him now to go scott free for this is not acceptable, and no one should let him off the hook anymore, or he'll continue, and it'll get a lot worse. Republicans allowing him to not be charged and held accountable shouldn't be in our government if they back criminals over children being abused.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Congress will present a variety of bills, argue their points, stop for the weekend, resume days later to finally make changes & eventually vote on a bill, and somday in the next month it may make its way to Trump's desk & there's no guarantee he'll sign it.
Then the tedious stalled process begins again.
Meanwhile,.. the physical & psychological damage to babies, children & families deepens, minute to hour to days & weeks..
Not to mention, the damage to us all
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Even if they were allowed to hold them, there probably aren't enough workers to do it.
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)I've not felt this much heartache since my mother died.
bronxiteforever
(11,212 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(5,125 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Was it decided in a late night White House think tank when the Press came demanding answers?
How long did it take to come up with a name that sounded caring & touching to ease the horror behind the locked doors?
"Tender Aged Children". They dropped the babies in a big room, absent of caregivers & equipment necessary to meet even basic needs , and gave it a comforting sounding label for the public ears rather than tell the truth.
I want to know which of Trump's NAZIS came up with the phrase when they needed to con the world into buying their LIE.
"Tender Aged Children"
That label makes me cringe
snort
(2,334 posts)He deserves the same fate as his hero.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Nazis make my skin crawl and yet they have oh so punchable faces. What's their secret?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)It can never remain hidden for long
Sugarcoated
(8,240 posts)That would be JUSTICE
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Hope someday he is granted the remainder of his sorry useless life in prison
montana_hazeleyes
(3,424 posts)And the evil exudes from both.
Locrian
(4,523 posts)a really creepy pedo ring to it....
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)fake religious exploitation to it also.
Like the way some patriarchial fringe church orgs control their women & children.
"Tender Age"
Sounds like something the Duggers would call it.
That kind of creepy, ya know!
Locrian
(4,523 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)For instance, notice how we're suddenly hearing the reason for "Zero Tolerance"is because the people bring kids across the border are "smuggling children" & "human traffickers".
Suddenly those words are thrown out, now that Trump's mob business needs a cover.
Its someone else that is smuggling & trafficking children.
Trump is merely keeping this from happening, they'd like us to believe.
It is the same way they projected their own pedo business onto Clinton via the Pizzagate fiasco.
Now it's someone else smuggling children..but certainly not him!
We've seen this a million times.
niyad
(132,440 posts)cab67
(3,749 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Yes it is a Hague-level international crime.
Bayard
(29,683 posts)Crimes against humanity. Here's hoping they nab him the next time he leaves to grandstand in another country.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,957 posts)America, RIP
Javaman
(65,711 posts)getting harder and harder to tell the difference these days.
Chalco
(1,439 posts)The long term effects are horrific.
As a child psychologist, I have worked with children who parents
adopted from Russia who ended up with severe neuropsychological
issues including the inability to connect socially, mental disabilities,
etc. This is no joke.
When a baby is not attended to. they lose the ability to relate because
no one responds to what they are trying to communicate. They have
their ways of asking for comfort, food, water, etc. If no one is reading and
responding to their cues, they lose the ability to communicate.
appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)towards children that will cause lasting harm. Such inhumanity in this wealthiest country, 21st century.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)This info should be repeated hourly in media. Ask Lawrence, Hayes, Maddow to emphasize and repeat.
This is a specific, disasterous, documented result of Trump policy. Might open eyes of some who think whole concern is a bit of hysterical hyperbole.
Ilsa
(64,368 posts)was keeping "undesirable" babies warehoused in the 1980s or early 90s until he and his wife were executed.
The kids were extremely psychologically damaged.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)educating her millions of viewers as to history lessons we should all know of.
Ilsa
(64,368 posts)All of this has been so traumatic for her and us.
Although, at least she has a staff to help her carry the burden of research and explaining it to the public.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)shoulders to bear.
That we did nothing to, at minimum, hold those accountable in the harshest way.
His sudden reversal & a simple signing of an EO, does not absolve him of the crime.
He STILL has to face the consequences of what he has done.
The reversal doesn't make the rest ok.
Ilsa
(64,368 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)"Im still nervous," says soldier who shot Nicolae Ceausescu
Paratrooper Ionel Boyeru volunteered for a mystery mission, only to discover it was the execution of the Romanian dictator
Sat 6 Dec 2014
This is quite the Read.
Ilsa
(64,368 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)If anyone deserves it, he does. I would feel no pity.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)They were not allowed to touch them, hold them, pick them up, or comfort them
Romanian orphanages were famous for ignoring human contact for the babies and children
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=9Y0qW8H-Ds2_0PEP3tgC&q=romanian+orphanages+today&oq=roma&gs_l=psy-ab.1.3.35i39k1j0i20i263k1j0i67k1l2j0j0i67k1j0i131k1j0i20i264k1j0l2.3018.3459.0.8947.5.4.0.0.0.0.157.450.0j3.3.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..2.3.449.0...0.RO2ENL_WZqE
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Duppers
(28,469 posts)Major behavior and relationships problems. I feel sorry for all of them.
OhNo-Really
(3,996 posts)My birth mother left me at an orphanage when I was 8 months old.
Then a foster child about to be adopted at age five when my foster "daddy" died. I can still see him in the coffin in the living room.
The Catholic social services wouldn't let my "mommy" keep me so, thank God, the mailman and his wife adopted me.
I know what early childhood trauma and distruption do.
I'm 70 now, a total recluse. It was a tumultuois life.
I did amuse myself this afternoon contemplating a TRIGGER/PTSD class action suit let by Avanetti against the Trump administration.
My PTSD is raging. I am feeling ALL the childhood pain every time I see these abandoned children.
These really young kids are wondering "What did I do wrong? Am I too ugly? Why doesn't anyone want me? Why did mom and/or dad leave me?
They cannot process what is happening. And no one can hold and comfort them?
I pray to God He retaliates.
Thanks for listening.
femmedem
(8,561 posts)Thank you for sharing your story. Your voice and your experience are so important.
appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)Despicable & tragic, many of the young will incur physical & developmental problems as a result of neglect & separation.
Louis1895
(779 posts)I do not see from where this statement is originating.
Louis1895
(779 posts)Dr. Colleen Kraft , current president of The American Academy of Pediatrics, visited a Texas facility for children aged 12 and under after her colleagues told her she needed to see what was happening.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Louis1895
(779 posts)I think it was on TV: Southwest Key had their unaccompanied minors (the ones that came alone) call their family members in their home country and encourage their siblings to come to the US. The children were to tell their siblings that they should be asked to be put in a Southwest Key facility because they were so nice.
I have tried to find this news item but have not yet been able to find it.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Chris Hayes show.
One of the 1st ones to bust open this horror story following Sen Merkley.
This courageous man
https://www.pluralist.com/posts/1178-worker-at-migrant-kids-shelter-quits-after-being-told-to-enforce-no-hugs-rule
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Many more questions about this comment.
Were the kids being called from a particular area?
Of a particular age/gender?
How were they to get to that shelter? Would their travel be expedited?
Just what are they planning for these children?
Last question...where in the hell are the people that were gifted these detention centers to run on Trumps behalf? The Trump Hotel managers? Why is NO ONE answering for this tragedy?
Citizen journalists?
whfinlay
(20 posts)We must fight this now and vote in Nov.
gopiscrap
(24,733 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Shame on republicans and what they are doing to families
gordianot
(15,772 posts)Those who follow orders and work in these chambers of horrors are complicit.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)Lars39
(26,540 posts)virgogal
(10,178 posts)I had six kids and would never have attempted anything like this when they were babies.
Lars39
(26,540 posts)with no one threatening their lives, and with a police dept that took threats like that seriously.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There are no conditions possible from which you would flee with a baby?
hedda_foil
(16,985 posts)Do you think you might take the risk?
TNNurse
(7,541 posts)Trying to keep them alive and escape a violent country comes to mind.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)Seriously? If you felt that your children were in imminent danger, you would just stay put? I wouldn't.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,160 posts)
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,160 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I first heard her read her poem on Free Speech TV. It was hard to understand her, because she is not a native English speaker. But I did a Google search for her poem, and I wept. If what she wrote doesn't touch someone on a visceral level, then that person doesn't have a soul.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,160 posts)Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)Either being killed or a life what is so beyond comprehension that a parent would risk everything like they have ...
JCanete
(5,272 posts)who's lives are in jeopardy? What of poverty and starvation? What would you suggest as an alternative to people who seem to have no good options at home and are contending with immediate threats?
Are they missing something that you aren't?
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... to our request for entry etc.
backtoblue
(13,197 posts)Early childhood development and interaction is crucial to psychological and physical growth.
If true, this is child abuse and neglect. Disgusting and inhumane.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)The World Court needs to hand down indictments and spread the word far and wide that none of these monsters currently carrying out the "Policy" of the Anti-Christ in the White House had better never leave the confines of the US or they will be arrested, tried, convicted, and either imprisoned for life or executed.
And where is SCOTUS?? This is cruel and unusual punishment!
sandensea
(23,342 posts)Rethugs are very good at covering their bases; they took care to steal control of the bench, and thus assure the Supremes wouldn't interfere.
Anon-C
(3,440 posts)Thekaspervote
(35,820 posts)dalton99a
(94,115 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hell will have to enlarge to contain Trump's rotten soul!
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,724 posts)voteearlyvoteoften
(1,716 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,952 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)bdamomma
(69,532 posts)Trump/Sessions/Repigs/Miller/Bannon/Kelly need to be frog marched out of the WH.
Stories like this are not going to stop.
These are crimes against humanity, take them in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is America 2018.
KCDebbie
(664 posts)that Sec Clinton was running a child sex ring in the basement!!!!
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)They knew well before the Primaries what their self-enriching mission was. Child trafficking is a big business around the globe.
Donal Trump, protected by then FBI head Giuliani for many years has been in the business of moving kids thru Companies (Modeling) & "shelters" (SW Key to in NY?) and on to clients abroad.
This is just one part of the global crime syndicate's business of money laundering, weapons, drug & human trafficking & murder.
There's a big picture coming into view as Trump used the Presidential power to run his criminal enterprise out of the White House.
The only thing he needed were kids to traffic
Art of the Deal, he calls his scam on this country.
I hope to see it busted wide open.
Too much is now out in the open.
"Adoptions" Jared & Don jr called it as they huddled with the Russian moffia that day in Trump Tower.
This is what I see going on.
My opinion of this big emerging picture.
And a quick fix by an Ex Order today won't make his crimes disappear.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)imagine if Americans and the world got to see those images.
I think this is why Trump changed his tone if these images get out he's toast.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)global child trafficking business to be uncovered.
At this point, he cannot stop the truth from being found out.
blake2012
(1,294 posts)Also, get the piano wire ready for complete degenerates like Miller.
zentrum
(9,870 posts)
.from any number of causes in such a situation, you can bet it will be covered up and the body "disappeared".
ICE and Trump are pure monsters.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)onetexan
(13,913 posts)Kajun Gal
(1,907 posts)JanosMDK
(8 posts)Not even nazis - which are the most repugnant thing regarding dehumanization - dared to separate two-months old babies from their parents and put them to sleep on the floor of a cage.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)He just turned five months old. Some mornings he likes to play by himself for a while, but some mornings, he wants to be held and cuddled. I'm there for him. I try to respond to the little signals he gives, like rubbing his face when he's ready for a nap or when he smacks his lips when he's hungry. Some times he sits in my lap and studies my mouth as I talk to him. He wakes up smiling every morning.
I am heartbroken that the children in government custody are being deprived of care, leaving them alone and crying. How can anyone be so fucking heartless. What kind of person resists the urge to comfort a crying baby? A BABY! Helpless little things who have no politics, no opinions, just a basic need for human touch. No matter what one thinks of the actions of the parents, these little ones are perfectly innocent. Why are they being punished? I don't even want to guess the odds of the babies being returned to their right parents.
Quixote1818
(31,155 posts)So creepy how they are keeping everyone out.
Nitram
(27,741 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)of children with no comfort of any kind. It was this guy who ordered and started it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceausescu
In 1966, Ceaușescu, in an attempt to boost the country's population, made abortion illegal and introduced Decree 770 to reverse the low birth rate and fertility rate. Mothers of at least five children would be entitled to significant benefits, while mothers of at least ten children were declared "heroine mothers" by the Romanian state. Few women ever sought this status. Instead, the average Romanian family during the time had two to three children (see Demographics of Romania).[21]
The government targeted rising divorce rates, and made divorce more difficultit was decreed that a marriage could be dissolved only in exceptional cases. By the late 1960s, the population began to swell. In turn, a new problem was created by child abandonment, which swelled the orphanage population (see Cighid). Transfusions of untested blood led to Romania accounting for many of Europe's pediatric HIV/AIDS cases at the turn of the 21st century despite having a population that only comprises 3% of Europe's population.[22][23]
Kate Blanchett (sp?) is trying to bring light and help to the orphanages in Romania, where children are still warehoused. She was on Christiane Amapour a couple of months ago talking about the organization which is trying to get the children out of orphanages and into homes.