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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 05:49 PM Aug 2012

First they came for students in a High School but I did not speak out because it was in a different

state.

Then they came for students in a College, but I did not speak out because I was told it was not the right time.

Then they came for an elected official, but I did not speak out because I was told that more people should've been armed.

Then they came for people in a movie theater, but I did not speak out because I was told that people with guns have more rights than people have to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then they came for peaceful people worshiping in their church....

I can no longer remain silent.

(edit for typo)

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First they came for students in a High School but I did not speak out because it was in a different (Original Post) jillan Aug 2012 OP
No one told you to remain silent. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #1
& I have a right to expect legislators to make it very, very xchrom Aug 2012 #2
Then you should also expect the SCOTUS to knock down those laws n/t SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #5
It's Congress that writes laws. jillan Aug 2012 #7
Yep, and it's the SCOTUS that decides whether or not they are Constitutional SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #8
and they had no problem regulating in the past. xchrom Aug 2012 #11
In the past prior to the Heller decision? SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #13
change the political complexion -- get a better - more sane - more human result. xchrom Aug 2012 #15
In this case, yes, I agree with SCOTUS SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #17
You can always Missycim Aug 2012 #18
i don't need to get rid it -- i just need to regulate the shit out of guns and manufacturers. nt xchrom Aug 2012 #19
Well it looks like the USSC Missycim Aug 2012 #22
I think the point is countingbluecars Aug 2012 #3
I agree that something needs to be done. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #4
The point is that this time my 2 Senators and my Congressman is going to hear from me jillan Aug 2012 #6
Sadly for you, for each anti-gun message they get, they'll get 10 pro gun messages. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #9
And that is the exact mentality that keeps people from speaking out - visualizing defeat. jillan Aug 2012 #20
There really should be a law against paraphrasing Niemöller. Brickbat Aug 2012 #10
Martin Niemöller xchrom Aug 2012 #12
Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #14
Perhaps it is done as flattery. You don't see people paraphrasing stupid shit jillan Aug 2012 #21
who is the "they" you speak of? people? NightWatcher Aug 2012 #16
Then they came for peaceful people worshiping in their church Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #23
 

Pacafishmate

(249 posts)
1. No one told you to remain silent.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 05:59 PM
Aug 2012

You have the right to speak. You also have the right to own a gun. I could go on at length. What's your point?

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
2. & I have a right to expect legislators to make it very, very
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:04 PM
Aug 2012

Hard for any one to get a gun.

Right now, you're ahead on that - but that's how I vote.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
8. Yep, and it's the SCOTUS that decides whether or not they are Constitutional
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:22 PM
Aug 2012

And in the Heller decision, the Court made it very clear that while some restrictions are permissible, it isn't permissible to make it next to impossible for people to own firearms.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
11. and they had no problem regulating in the past.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:31 PM
Aug 2012

this is not a 'well regulated' any thing.

this is pandemonium.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
13. In the past prior to the Heller decision?
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:37 PM
Aug 2012

That case came down squarely on the individual right to bear arms.

If there is truly support to heavily regulate gun ownership, then it shouldn't be difficult to amend the Constitution and repeal the 2nd Amendment.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
15. change the political complexion -- get a better - more sane - more human result.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:43 PM
Aug 2012

glad to know you line up with 'the original intent' crew.

like they know - or you original intent.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
17. In this case, yes, I agree with SCOTUS
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 07:00 PM
Aug 2012

I believe that the Founders did intend to guarantee an individual right to bear arms.

But like I said, if the American public doesn't believe in that right, they have the power to overturn it via their state legislatures and a Constitutional convention.

Likewise, if a future SCOTUS overturns Heller, then if the American public feels strongly enough about it, they can amend the Constitution to be clearer.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
19. i don't need to get rid it -- i just need to regulate the shit out of guns and manufacturers. nt
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 07:10 PM
Aug 2012
 

Missycim

(950 posts)
22. Well it looks like the USSC
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:21 AM
Aug 2012

doesn't agree with you and about 48 of the states. So good luck with that, THE FRONT LASH CONTINUES!!!!!

 

Pacafishmate

(249 posts)
4. I agree that something needs to be done.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:15 PM
Aug 2012

I just don't think that banning any specific type of gun or accessory will have any impact.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
6. The point is that this time my 2 Senators and my Congressman is going to hear from me
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:18 PM
Aug 2012

over and over and over again. Letters, emails, faxes and phone calls.
They will soon learn my name.

Unfortunately for me, they are all on their taxpayer funded vacations all month.

 

Pacafishmate

(249 posts)
9. Sadly for you, for each anti-gun message they get, they'll get 10 pro gun messages.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 06:26 PM
Aug 2012

Having a hobby that's under attack is a much better motivator than righteous indignation at not seeing the realization of your idealistic fantasies.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
20. And that is the exact mentality that keeps people from speaking out - visualizing defeat.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 07:39 PM
Aug 2012


It just amazes me the number of gun owners that think anytime anyone says one word against guns that their immediate knee-jerk reaction is that people want to take away their guns.
Just like with the teabaggers, compromise and working together is a dirty word.

Yet, every now and then I come across a reasonable gun owner that agrees that gun laws need to be enforced.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
21. Perhaps it is done as flattery. You don't see people paraphrasing stupid shit
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 07:43 PM
Aug 2012

that is said, do you?

 

Trunk Monkey

(950 posts)
23. Then they came for peaceful people worshiping in their church
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:21 AM
Aug 2012

Actually, they already came for the peaceful people worshiping in their church and got stopped by a private citizen w/ a concealed hand gun permit.

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